Obama not eligible to run for president?

[ferrferr]

Someone de-bunk this for me please?

My boyfriend's father said he's not eligible because he was not born in the US and his mother was under 19 when she had him.

I would imagine if this were the case he would not have gotten this far? Links would be nice. Thank you! :)

[orestes]

1. McCain wasn't born in the US, Obama was born in Hawaii

[THUNDER HANDS]

2. he was born in hawaii

and the age of his mother at the time of his birth is not even a qualification.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

3. He was born in Hawaii, his mom was 18, and age doesn't affect citizenship.

[Skittles]

4. your boyfriend's father is a fucking idiot

[SunDrop23]

50. what Skittles said (nt)

[BlueJazz]

75. What Skittles said.

[poverlay]

89. Skittles is a rainbow of fruity truth. Yep,,, what Skittles said...n/t

[Skittles]

106. I am holding back

I did not state my opinion of people who post the opinions of fucking idiots (that they are guilty of being fucking idiots by association).

[poverlay]

113. If that were true, said people wouldn't be questioning. We're bringing people out of the ignorant,

bigoted, dark-ages one fucking idiot at a time. I know how you feel though.

[trackfan]

122. yep

[gmoney]

124. Megaskittles, ditto

[Genevieve]

5. uh,

You know better.

[AlCzervik]

6. snopes and www.fightthesmears.com and no more coddling fools, ok?

[BlooInBloo]

7. You fail.

[margotb822]

123. And so does your bf and his father

The Constitution has two requirements: 35 and natural born citizen. You shouldn't need a link for that info.

Seriously, it's people like this that make me wish for intelligence threshold tests for voting...

[SharonRB]

8. Go to fightthesmears.com

There should be something there. He was born in Hawaii and there's no rule that your mother has to be a certain age. That's a new one -- where do they come up with this shit?

[treestar]

159. She would have had to have lived here until age 19

For her son to be a US citizen, IF he had been born in another country.

HOWEVER HE WAS BORN IN THE U.S. - this is what the freepers fail to understand.

Born in the U.S., you are a U.S. citizen regardless of your mother's age. Regardless, even of your mother's citizenship - even the children of illegal aliens born in the U.S. are U.S. citizens at birth - something these same morans whine about whenever they get the chance!

[treestar]

160. delete dupe

[SoonerPride]

snopes.com has the asnwers you seek

[applexcore]

9. snopes.com

Use that.

[Tribetime]

10. Oh shit I already voted for him

[billyoc]

64. ...

:spray: :rofl:

[CreekDog]

119. No shit? I already voted for him.

:toast:

[DrToast]

11. It's true. Everyone pack it up and go home.

He was born in Hawaii.

The end.

[Malikshah]

12. Been there done that. How's life under the bridge? This is too blatant.

Too blatant by far.

Enough.

[Why Syzygy]

13. Lol!

Just had to come watch :popcorn:

[1corona4u]

29. LOL...know what your username reminds me of?

"fry some more"...do you know where that comes from??

;-)

[Why Syzygy]

No?

[1corona4u]

45. LOL...

Here; 1:13 into it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbc1aW5C1W0

It's a running thing when he does chicken...

[Why Syzygy]

71. Wow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NqZw7JaPmg&feature=user

There's one for you.

[1corona4u]

I'm not sure what you wanted to say with that....

but I meant no offense to you....just thought votesomemore was funny....and I'm a HUGE Alton Brown fan.

Sorry if my intent wasn't clear.

[Why Syzygy]

91. no, it's fine.

I found it a bit off the wall. Mine was just to show the same thing.

[1corona4u]

92. I just thought maybe you were an Alton fan too....

and maybe that's why your username was votesomemore. :-)

[Thrill]

14. Yeah because he's been running for 2 yrs for shits and giggles

People who say these ridiculous things aren't worth the time

[Medusa]

15. WTF does his mom's age have to do with anything???

And Hawaii is very much a part of the US. You might want to tell your boyfriend's dad that it's Mccain who wasn't born in the US. :eyes:

[Clio the Leo]

16. "and because his mother was 19" .....

.... well that's certainly a new spin on this tired BS story that I'd not heard before.

Link..........
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

That home page is funny actually. The top reads "not the smear you're looking for? Search all smears....." Because there are apparently too many to count.

[Top Cat]

17. If you are on DU you shold already know the answer to your post

[stuntcat]

151. I didn't :(

I got an email about this last week and I asked about it here and got smacked down mightily :cry:

One or two people were nice and told me the deal with it though! And I learned MY lesson about asking for or trying to help.

[BelleCarolinaPeridot]

18. These idiots are given far too much attention.

Its call MADNESS which leads you to believe anything so dumb that it makes you feel good inside. But come election night, I bet this guy will be SILENT.

He can de-bunk it for himself by reading.

[LisaL]

19. He was born in the US so he is a US citizen.

And it doesn't matter how old his mother was.

[Genevieve]

20. Yor pizza delivery is on the way ----

fucking concern troll.

[dgibby]

47. I have delicious Trollhouse cookies for dessert.

[Doctor_J]

21. MUAHAHAHAHAHA

another Hate Radio meme. Good luck convincing your brain dead FIL-to-be of anything

[LynnTheDem]

22. Ummmm...ya think the US Government woulda nipped his campaign in the bud

a long time ago if this bullshit were true???

:eyes:

[Left Is Write]

38. Silly. Don't you know the State Dept and the FEC are part of the conspiracy?

[AspenRose]

77. For real!

And what the hell does the mom's age have to do with it? If she's American, guess what: So's the kid!

Geez people are stupid

[ferrferr]

23. Thank you for the links, fuck you for the snark. :)

[Genevieve]

26. You just told yourself to go fuck yourself.

:-)

[ferrferr]

40. Nope, I was being sincere.

I just wanted some links that were solid proof, although now I'm hearing "it was his sisters birth certificate". Oy. So I'm damned even with links.

Oh well. Can't save all the RW people from themselves.

[AlCzervik]

46. you can't, i'm glad you try but really if anyone runs that line of bs on you they aren't

ever voting for Obama ever. We all have at least one of these people somewhere in the family, you're not alone.

[ferrferr]

63. I gave up on my mom

Luckily she doesn't say things like this, but she gets miffed when I knock on McCain. She's a closet repub.

[obiwan]

136. Tell your parents that John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone.

That's no-shit true.

Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, the 50th state, in 1961. After Hawaii had been a state for about 2 years.

Tell them the Panama Canal Zone is not a state, or even territory or protectorate, of the U.S.

[Genevieve]

53. No, you answered yourself.

Listen, Obama was born in Hawaii, he's a US citizen.
Now, Mccain, on the other hand seems to be Panamanian.
Tell him that.

[ferrferr]

62. Yeah, I said that..

For some reason it doesn't seem to be sinking in and my boyfriend has lost himself in the "you need to research all of it". :mad:

[Genevieve]

66. Why are you dating a repuke? nt

[ferrferr]

72. i'm not ..

My boyfriend is for Obama, and told his father all the shit points of McCain and Palin.

He's not been following this as much as I have recently so he doesn't know all the smears that happened prior to about a month and a half ago. I love him, but sometimes I think he might consider what his parents say too much. Then again I believe my dad and he's a hardcore Obama supporter and has been from the start I think. :P

[Genevieve]

79. Here:

Senator Obama was born on August 4th, 1961, in Hawaii to Barack Obama, Sr. and Ann Dunham. He graduated from Columbia University in 1983, and moved to Chicago in 1985 to work for a church-based group seeking to improve living conditions in poor neighborhoods plagued with crime and high unemployment. In 1991, Senator Obama graduated from Harvard Law School where he was the first African American president of the Harvard Law Review.

http://obama.senate.gov/about/

[alcibiades_mystery]

74. The boyfriend's a fucking moron

It's not clear to me that you're that different.

[Why Syzygy]

76. lol. . shame on you

:evilgrin:

[CreekDog]

120. i heard your boyfriend wasn't a US citizen and i'm not believing it until he proves it to us

:eyes:

[Clio the Leo]

32. the snark is not directed at you....

... it is however directed SQUARELY at your boyfriend's father.

Feel free to quote us! lol

[ferrferr]

68. Okay thank you :)

I am not that stupid, nor have I ever questioned Obama's birthplace. So this one was a bit of a shocker to me, especially the "mother was under 19 bit".

[Left Is Write]

41. Give us a break. You were able to find and register for this site -

but you weren't able to Google this smear for yourself? You had to ask for links?

Nice try, but I'm not buying it.

[ferrferr]

80. Think what you want..

I know you guys would have substantial links .. sue me fore being lazy :P

Although the About.com link seems to have some decent info (I got a really good crock pot pork loin recipe from there so that sort of scares me).

[clydefrand]

24. That's utterly ridiculous. Tell him that he was born in

Hawaii 48 years ago and yes, it was a state then. The age of the mother when one is born does not alter one's citizenship, nor does it make one ineligible to be president.

Take a look at wikipedia.com to see the facts about Obama.

[democracy1st]

25. I Call BS

[Clio the Leo]

27. And actually, you've already debunked it.....

"if that was the case, he would not have gone this far?"

That's it!!! DING! DING! DING!!!

Seriously, if the man was not a natural born citizen, dont you think Bill Clinton (bless him) would have brought that up 9 months ago?

I mean ..... the dude used to be the President, he's got some pull.

These people are so stupid.

[LisaL]

33. Yea, you know, you'd think Hillary Clinton would have brought

that up during her campaign?
LOL.

[Cirque du So-What]

28. Captain Picard would like a word with you

[Why Syzygy]

30. He was born on the planet Krypton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5SWQJWm6Tg

[maddezmom]

36. LOL

:rofl:

[ferrferr]

44. That's totally part of the US, the secret 51st state.

[dgibby]

54. US territory--still counts!

[verges]

83. I can almost imagine

the Republicans using thisa s Obama admitting he's not a US citizen.

[vanderBeth]

31. *facepalm*

[dgibby]

58. more like face plant.

[MadMaddie]

34. Tell your boyfriends father that it would be McCain who is

technically not able to run as President but it's being overlooked.

McCain was born in Panama Canal Zone in 1936.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html

[tyedyeto]

35. Obama was born in Hawaii AFTER Statehood. non-issue...

Age of his mother is a non-issue. Age for Presidency is and he qualifies.


I do have an issue with McLame being born in Panama in a hospital that wasn't built until 5 years after he was born. Yes, both parents were American citizens and his father was military, but all reports I have seen have said the actual hospital, on a military base, where he was supposedly born, was not in existance at that time.

[Richardo]

51. They could both have been born on the planet Neptune and they'd be citizens

McCain's parents and Obama's mother were US citizens. So McCain and Obama are US citizens. It makes no fucking difference WHERE one is born. End of fucking story. Can we go to something else now?

[Muttocracy]

115. Have to be "natural born" citizen, not just a citizen

Which I think is why Alexander Hamilton never ran for President (born in Caribbean, not citizen long enough before Constitution). Also why Arnold Schwarzenegger can't run for Pres.

"Natural born" is usually interpreted to mean in U.S. state or territory.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

[Richardo]

116. No it's not. See the US State Department definition.

[Muttocracy]

118. thanks, though isn't it federal law, not up to State Dept?

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html

I wasn't taught this in high school, so I've learned something. Though I wouldn't agree "It makes no fucking difference WHERE one is born." - If you're not born in the U.S., your parents' citizenship history comes into play, while if you're born here, your parents' info doesn't matter.

[Orangepeel]

144. Obama and McCain were born citizens.

They weren't naturalized. They are natural born citizens.

Alexander Hamilton wasn't born a citizen.

[Muttocracy]

154. I know that - was talking about requirements in general, not Obama or McCain

[Orangepeel]

155. and I was talking about the difference between being born a citizen and being naturalized

they are just examples. They didn't have to be naturalized, so they are natural born.

[dgibby]

60. wasn't born on base, according to

the parchment scroll containing the record of his birth.Of course, the parchment has deteriorated and the sanskrit is difficult to read, so I suppose there could be a problem with the translation.

What was really exciting was the scroll was found with a pile of T.Rex skeletal remains. Maybe Sarah is right after all. Who knew!

[tyedyeto]

82. Ya got me

:rofl:

[dgibby]

95. It's a curse! What can I say?

:evilgrin:

[dchill]

37. Get a grip.

[saltpoint]

39. Your boyfriend's father should subscribe to a newspaper or something.

John McCain was born in Panama.

Obama in Hawai'i.

[meow mix]

42. 50% eqyptian.

i dont understand the 19 year old mother part..

[TTUBatfan2008]

43. Concern trolling...

wonderful.

[ferrferr]

57. I'm not a troll

Go ask the people who were here for the troll this morning, he started it in one of my OPs and I jumped him right along with the others. :P

[ferrferr]

59. Anyone know the orgins of this particular smear?

[Why Syzygy]

73. Morans . too lazy to think for themselves. Or god forbid, look it up. nt

[Two Americas]

128. same as all the rest of them

Right wingers just make shit up. Naive people spread them around.

[treestar]

161. Probably some freeper in the basement thought it sounded like

a good idea - went from the fact Obama's father is a Kenyan and believing in their own trash of a mind that nobody whose parent is a foreigner should be allowed to be a U.S. citizen.

[obiwan]

138. I'll take your word for it. There ARE a lot of trolls about, so sometimes the denizens here ...

...are a little bit jumpy. Welcome.

[FrenchieCat]

48. McCain wasn't born in the US, Obama was.

It is still an open question as to whether John McCain is eligible as there is no precedence for such a thing. He was born prior to the law that passed that recognized those born in that area as Natural Born Americans. The law had no ratroactive clause to it.

McCain’s Canal Zone Birth Prompts Queries About Whether That Rules Him Out

To date, no American to take the presidential oath has had an official birthplace outside the 50 states.

“There are powerful arguments that Senator McCain or anyone else in this position is constitutionally qualified, but there is certainly no precedent,” said Sarah H. Duggin, an associate professor of law at Catholic University who has studied the issue extensively. “It is not a slam-dunk situation.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html


A Hint of New Life to a McCain Birth Issue
July 11, 2008

In the most detailed examination yet of Senator John McCain’s eligibility to be president, a law professor at the University of Arizona has concluded that neither Mr. McCain’s birth in 1936 in the Panama Canal Zone nor the fact that his parents were American citizens is enough to satisfy the constitutional requirement that the president must be a “natural-born citizen.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/us/politics/11mccain.html

[Sebastian Doyle]

84. Actually McCain wasn't even born in the canal zone

He was born in Colon, Panama, which is near the east end of the canal but not inside the canal zone. The same was true of Panama City, near the west end of the canal.

Reason why is obvious.... Panama would not want to concede two cities to US occupation, nor was it necessary to occupy the cities themselves in order to operate and maintain the canal.

So McCain was NOT born on "American soil" by any stretch of the term. He was born to American citizens, so he is legitimately a US citizen himself. But the term "natural born citizen" is certainly disputable.

[dgibby]

93. How the hell can an extraterrestrial be a "natural born" anything?

[immoderate]

102. Well, if he is not "naturalized" yet he is a citizen...

That would make him a natural born citizen. QED.

--IMM

[Obamarama]

49. Well, McCain was born under the mossy bridge you live under, so what do you think about that?

Away with you, troll. Get back under your bridge with the rest of your ilk.

[OmahaBlueDog]

52. Ask the BF's dad: Hillary Clinton would have made this known if it were true, now wouldn't she?

Hey -- Hill's relentless :-)

[Two Sheds]

127. Does anyone think she would have hesitated to use it...

if it were true? I mean, other than the Unreconstructed Confederates still holding out hope?

[ncteechur]

55. Just give him a copy of the US Constitution and tell him to read if for his own fucking self.

[LiberadorHugo]

56. Links to pizza places that serve to trolls...

www.freerepublic.com
www.raptureready.com

Edited: Removed an extremely offensive link. It went too far.)

[MiniMe]

61. Some neocon fool is still out there trying to file a lawsuit about it

hasn't gotten very far. Big surprise. The dems wouldn't have let him get this far if he wasn't eligible

[PatGund]

112. Not a neocon....

at least not openly. Philip Berg claims to be a Clinton supporter, and he's very strongly allied with PUMA groups. If not a neocon, he's certainly willing to work with them,

[Unsane]

65. What does his mother's age have to do with anything?

[thevoiceofreason]

81. I heard if she's too young, you aren't really birn.

Snarff, snarff.

Love is a beautiful thing.

[NWPatriot]

125. I did some checking...

Here's what this whole "mother's age" thingamajig is about:

Before 1934, if you were born outside of the US and your mother was a natural-born US citizen of ANY age, the mere fact that she was a citizen transfers her 'natural-born' status to you. (This is how McCain can get away with being born in Panama. It was before 1934, and BOTH parents were natural-born AND he was born in a US military hospital.)

AFTER 1934 (when the law changed), if you were born outside of the US and your mother WAS 19 YEARS OF AGE by the time you were born, then her 'natural-born' citizenship status transferred to you.

What the freeper's crazy theory is saying is that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, but rather Kenya. They say they have evidence from his paternal grandmother who was supposedly there to witness the birth. They also are saying that Obama's mother's natural-born status did NOT transfer to him because she was 18 at the time of his birth. Ergo, he is NOT a natural-born citizen, and therefore ineligible to run for the Presidency.

Question 1: What's grandma's name? Question 2: If this true (and therefore generating a constitutional crisis), why haven't we seen this on the national news? You would THINK that if it were this important, SOMEONE would've gotten a hold of it. Since nmo one has, that means they're not worried about it, and neither should we.

This is just grasping at straws.

[salin]

67. What a gag...

as if such a serious constitutional problem would not have been rooted out until 2 weeks before the general election. Tell the "dude" that if he is so desperate to find reasons to support John McCain, as this is just a ludicrious and many times debunked clalim, that perhaps he ought to start wondering why he is so waivering in his support of John McCain. If he supported so strongly the policies put forth by McCain/Palin he would be arguing those points rather than throwing out ridiculous (and already proved factless) claims - so get him to dwell for a moment in why he is so uncertain about the policies being pushed by McCain Palin.

[billyoc]

69. Tell your boyfriend's father that McCain will be president for sure.

Then, act shocked and dismayed when Obama wins. You might score a nice Christmas present out of it.

Then get another boyfriend.

[GoesTo11]

70. I heard that he went back in time and changed his own birth certificate

so that it would say he was born in the US.

[Motown_Johnny]

78. Hawaii was part of the U.S. and the mother's age is pure nonsense

[melody]

85. ferrferr? That was the best you could come up with?

Gee, what do you think the chances are we haven't all debunked that nonsense.

A Hawaiian paper even published his birth announcement. Those wily international brown people thought of everything! lol

Enjoy your pizza.

[ferrferr]

87. Oh for the love of all that is holy

I was sincerely looking for good links proving that it was total horse shit. I know people on here would have links that aren't just some blog stating opinion and not proving fact. I want all the damn links I can get my hands on. That is all. I'm not a little freeper troll looking to rile people up.

[traveller]

98. I am glad you got some good likes. Best to you.

[melody]

101. You need to understand how many people like that we get here

They post the "new email" they've just received.

Being called a troll here is something of a right of passage. I was called it multiple times my first week. If you're
genuine, I apologize -- and I like the fact you've joined as well.

[ferrferr]

105. I'd say check out my McCain bumper sticker thread as proof..

But that shit got all deleted to hell from the freeper that unloaded here this morning.

[NoodleyAppendage]

86. Advice. GET A NEW BOYFRIEND. His dad is going to be a continual thorn in your side.

Dickhead, Repuke father-in-laws are not fun. Either separate your boyfriend from the parental influence, or cut yourself loose completely.

J

[ferrferr]

90. Thanks..

I'm not going to ditch someone I love because of his relatives. I think it's kind of sad that you would even suggest that. I can get the information showing the truth, but I can't change his father. They can both believe what they want. I don't base my whole life around someones political views. :shrug:

[MiniMe]

117. Give up trying to change his mind

He is one of the ones who's mind can't be changed. If he thinks that Obama has gotten this far and is not qualified, he will believe anything. Save the peace and vote how you want. Just don't believe any political statements from him. And realize that this will be a sore point throughout your relationship with bf. Don't talk politics with him, whatever you do.

Just curious, what does BF think about all of this?

[NoodleyAppendage]

146. Did you consider that the father's statements might be made EXACTLY to piss you off.

Maybe your boyfriend's father's comments are meant to distance you from his son. That was the point I was trying to make. The father might not like you and this political comment is the only passive-aggressive way of his being able to let you know.

J

[greenbriar]

88. for once and for all Obama TEACHES constitutional Law

do you people HONESTLY think he would not know the rules


jebus

[kansasblue]

94. I like that he has taught constitutional Law.

I mention that when people ask what I like about Barack.

[cliffordu]

96. Debunked a brazillion times. Thanks for playing, though!

[minnesota_liberal]

97. He was born in the US and his mother's age is irrelevant

If your boyfriend's father can't look it up, he's either incredibly lazy or not very bright.

[Erin Elizabeth]

100. And was probably never going to vote for Obama anyway

so who gives a shit?

[Erin Elizabeth]

99. Craziest fucking thing I've ever seen.

a) born in Hawaii, which is most certainly a STATE and was a state when he was born there in the 1960s.

b) There's shit all in the Constitution about mother's age at birth for presidents. How odd.

c) He's a UNITED STATES SENATOR, for crying out loud. What is it with these people acting like he just landed here from the planet Terrorista?

d) As someone mentioned above (really good point--bears repeating) he was a CONSTITUTIONAL LAW PROFESSOR. Sheesh, if anyone knows about the Constitutional requirements to be president, someone like what would be. Would he go through all this shit for two years only to be told "oops, you aren't qualified?" No one would do that. How ridiculous.

I swear if someone said that kinda shit to my face, I wouldn't be able to stop from busting a gut laughing. Then I'd feel really sorry for them that they were so ignorant.

[OHDEM]

103. This BS comes up all the time from right-wingers.

I'm amazed that they believe our government isn't even smart enough to conduct a background check on Obama.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but regardless of his mother's age, if she gave birth to him anywhere he'd be a U.S. citizen since she is one.

Doesn't that make the questions double BS?

[Mid_FL_voter]

104. Is this now settled?

Ok, we all know this stuff is just wild and crazy GOP crud. But I do want to be certain that ferrferr has the legitimate links to debunk it.

[ferrferr]

108. I hope so!

I'm going to go hide in a corner for a bit and locate my balls. :P


I have factcheck, the us senate page, and snopes. So hopefully between the actual government page and the pictures on factcheck I'll be set to at least TRY and set the record straight.

[Two Americas]

130. nonsense

There is no "record" to "set straight." This is silly. Debating it with people gives it credence, and there is nothing there to debate.

[TheKentuckian]

107. Tell your boyfriends's father that unless he has better fact finding

than the CIA, FBI, Secret Service, and the FEC then he'll have to accept the results of all of their background checks. Ask him if he is looking for a cop out or is he actually trying to think logically. If he's even attempting to go logical then a variety of Bush appointed departments would have come up with the dirt on a Democrat by now, if it was anything remotely there.

[gauguin57]

109. It's this crap ... it's a right-wing invention that's been circulating for months.

Some right-wing-idiot lawyer even filed a suit about it in Philly, allegedly.

Here's some debunk-ment:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

[vaberella]

110. This has been debunked a thousand times. Go to:

factcheck.org or snopes.com....~sigh~

You realize that in order for Obama to run for President he has to be vetted by the FBI before he's an elligible candidate, you don't think they would have checked his birth certificate?

[PatGund]

111. The Berg lawsuit rears it's ugly head....

A PUMA sympathizer, Philip Berg has filed a lawsuit claiming that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and even if he wasn't, he lost his US citizenship when his mother married Lolo Soetoro. The lawsuit seems to be a mess of stuff claimed by people at Free Republic, Politico, No Quarter, Texas Darlin, and Atlas Shrugs. It's a major pack of lies.

Get the truth at http://www.whatsyourevidence.com/ and http://yestodemocracy.com Both sites have been examining Berg's claims and showing where he is appearantly in error.

[tkmorris]

114. Ferrferr.... your MySpace page....

Sorry, I had to go have a look. You see, we often get these kinds of posts from trolls hoping to accomplish I don't know what, but we do.

So, after seeing your MySpace, clearly you aren't a troll. HOWEVER.

Did you look at that thing after you created it? I mean, sometimes things seem like a good idea in your head, whereas when you actually create the thing, well... Your page made me immediately go blind. I am having my dog type this for me, she can take dictation. Good dog. Seriously, I mean no offense, but DAMN. I tried to read a blog post or two, but I just couldn't do it. It was like an optical illusion of a Dali painting seen through a kaleidoscope. Woof.

[ferrferr]

142. I don't use "Ferrferr" on myspace..

I use my daughters name.. thanks for trying to look me up though.

http://www.myspace.com/nolakennedy

[IndianaGreen]

121. McCain was born in Panama while Obama was born in the state of Hawaii

Article II of the US Constitution spells out the requirements for the Presidency:

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html#section1

[QueenOfCalifornia]

126. Some people would say

that your boyfriends father is a fucking idiot.

Those people would be correct.

Jebus.

Obama is an American - Ask your retrograde moran boyfriends father if he understands that Hawaii has been a state since 1959. Prior to that Hawaii was a U.S. Territory.

His mother could have been 15 and it would not matter her age has zero bearing upon Obama's eligibility.

The Democrats are not stupid enough to allow a non-American to run for the office.

After you tell the idiot this, please feel free to slap him in the head with a ham hock.

You needed to ask us to help you debunk this?

:eyes:

[Essene]

129. it's a bogus charge. if anybody has to worry about eligibility, it's mccain

although in mccain's case, it's a really really really silly technicality.

[bowens43]

131. He was born in the United States. Your boyfriends father is an idiot.

[JoePhilly]

132. Use this response about McCain ... trust me, its fun!!!

October surprise!!!!

This story could break any day now.

It is rumored that McCain's mother, while pregnant, left the US base where she lived in Panama to go shopping.

She became tired and stopped in a cafe for lunch. Suddenly she went into labor. The cafe workers took her in the back and helped deliver little John McCain. They called him EL Guapo.

After the birth, McCain's mother was unable to travel. So one of the cafe workers let her (and John) stay in her tiny home overnight until she was ready to go back to the base.

The next day, the cafe workers took John and his mother back to the base.

The doctors at the base, unsure what to do, simply wrote the birth certificate as if John McCain had been born on the day they returned to the base.

Technically ... a story like this might mean that John McCain is not be an American citizen. He might actually be Panamanian.

Some argue that John McCain co-authored the Amnesty bill as a way to "give back" to those cafe workers who helped his mother.

McCain has not denied this story. Which make one wonder what he might be hiding.

[elizm]

133. I'd be looking for a new boyfriend. The nut doesn't fall far from the tree. nt

[specialed]

134. It was John McCain who wasn't born in the US. How Ironic.

He was born on a base in Panama.

[DCBob]

135. It's great that the wacko wingnuts are focused on this idiotic issue.

Meanwhile Obama just keeps racking up the points.

[afridemo]

137. McCain's mother is 90 and he is 72, means she was 18-19years

old when he was born, is he also disqualified?

[brooklynite]

139. The simple reply to give...

"If Barack Obama was ineligible to run for office, wouldn't the McCain campaign be challenging his eligibility in Court?"

[livedemocarticordie]

140. if you have time to come on here

and ask something that has been refuted for 16 months, I would suggest going to SNOPES and you can read cut and paste for your family and friends all the refutations you need.

[yellowcanine]

141. Tell him the burden of proof is on the person making the extraordinary claim.

Not on you. And tell him spammed emails do not constitute proof.

[spanone]

143. uh, he's already running....

[mainer]

145. was Obama's mom ever in Kenya?

I can't find any reference to Obama's mother ever traveling to Kenya. Does anyone know if she ever went there? Because if she was never there, how could she have given birth there?

I recently got a blast email saying that a child born in the U.S. of an under-age mother is not a citizen. (And which country would all the kids born of pregnant American teens be citizens of? Huh?)

[Marrah_G]

150. Even if she has given birth there she was still a US citizen

[demokatgurrl]

147. Dump your boyfriend.

no link necessary.

[EstimatedProphet]

148. Really? I thought he wasn't eligible because he was black.

Enough of this crap.

[Marrah_G]

149. Tell your boyfriend his father is a dumbass

Age has zero to do with citizenship and Obama was born in Hawaii. Even if he had been born in Kenya he would still be a US citizen as his mother was a US citizen.

[Political Tiger]

152. "his mother was under 19?"

That's a new one!

[hexola]

153. Undebunkable: Based on several layers ignorance backed delusions...

I watched this theory develop and play out over the summer on FreeRepublic...its basically TOO HARD to explain how they came to their conclusions.

They have no evidence - just jpg scans of documents. Everything else is basically stuff they made up or were to too dumb to understand.

[yardwork]

156. How old are you? Have you taken high school civics yet?

When you take high school civics, you will learn that there are two requirements for presidents in the U.S. Constitution. Neither of them has anything to do with the age of the mother. Apparently your boyfriend's father failed high school civics.

P.S. Obama was born in Hawaii. He has released his birth certificate. Apparently some people aren't aware that Hawaii is one of the fifty states. They too probably failed high school civics.

P.P.S. If your boyfriend didn't know this, then he too should brush up on the Constitution. And, if I were you I'd check basic facts before making a fool of myself by posting ignorant right-wing smears on a public board, but that's just me...

[Barack_America]

157. Hiding this thread.

x(

[WinkyDink]

158. You are palling around with IGNORAMUSES. Why would you need "links" for a U.S. SENATOR'S eligibility

to be PRESIDENT, after all the campaigning that's been done?

ARE YOU EVEN TWELVE?

[ThatsMyBarack]

162. OMG!

:wtf: Anyway, Hawaii had already been a U.S. state for two years when Obama was born in 1961! :patriot: