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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 07:57 PM
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Joe Scarborough is right for once: Obama needs to spend more time in Florida and Ohio. Those
are what he needs to win and they are horribly close. If there is anyone here from the Obama campaign, please, please concentrate on Florida and Ohio. They could deliver a McCain presidency.
I really do hate to agree with Joe Scarborough, but he is, occasionally, correct.
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Marsala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 07:59 PM
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1. Obama doesn't need them to win
He needs Colorado or Virginia. Ohio and Florida are the icing on the cake. MCCAIN is the one who needs them desperately.
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silverlil Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:24 PM
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41. I do want to add
that Senator Robert Kennedy, did not parade around La Jolla or Rancha Santa Fe. He went through the tough areas of San Diego in a car with no top on it. And this is what he did within 18 hours of being murdered.

I say this, because I am so scared for Senator Obama. Yes his security is different and Robert Kennedy took the high road on our streets in San Diego, but as we all know how his murder happened on national TV. My first vote as a US citizen was for Senator Robert Kennedy. I just have to get through the next 16 days somehow.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:00 PM
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2. I disagree with Joe the Scar, just on principle.
Can't help it. He wants McCain to get NC, he wants a "close" election, for obvious reasons.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:00 PM
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3. Obama is to be in Fl this week, I think! It's for some celebration.
Where I disagree with Joe is that he said Barack & Joe shoudl spend their time in Fl, Pa. & Oh and give up on the other states. I think he can do them all!!!! He has the $$, and there ARE 15 days and 3, maybe 4 people if you count Michelle & Jill.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:44 PM
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28. all week, starting tomorrow in Tampa, baby!
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KathieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:01 PM
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4. Barack and Hillary will be in Orlando tomorrow...wish I could go!
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KathieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:04 PM
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22. Oh, and Michelle will be in Gainesville on Wednesday...they are working central Florida!
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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:01 PM
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5. How about sending Hillary and the Big Dog
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:02 PM
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6. Someone here said he will be in FL with Hillary this week.
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:02 PM
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7. Actually, you're wrong. Obama has many routes to the presidency
that don't include FL or OH. He doesn't "need them to win."

But I agree he needs to spend more time there. The more states we win, the harder it is for the Repukes to steal the election.
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NEDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:04 PM
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8. I'll leave the campaign decisions to the Campaign
THEY should keep doing what THEY think is right. It's got us this far.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:13 PM
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14. yeah really...I wouldn't be to keen..
on them stopping what they've been doing to listen to Joe Scarborough. I think Joe should save his advice for John and Sarah.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:05 PM
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9. Obama needs to be everywhere.
He needs to be in all the battleground states and all the ones trendinf purple.

Even if he doesn't win them it puts McCain on his heels and drains their coffers.

Obama is 1,000 times smarter than Joe the dead intern so I would trust his instincts and moves to be correct.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:07 PM
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10. Well, thanks to you & Joe for your concern. I think Obama's team has
shown that their ground game is second to none.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:08 PM
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11. He doesn't need either one. Thye'd be nic but they are not necessary.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:09 PM
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12. Nope. Joe, as per usual, is wrong again.
Quelle surprise.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:09 PM
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13. Obama is already planning to be in those states. Joe is stating what's already
known so he'll look smart.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:16 PM
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15. As long as Iowa, New Mexico, Colorado and Virginia stay light blue Ohio and FL are just gravy
Might as well try for a few more other than just Ohio and Florida.
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:17 PM
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16. Joe is just pissed that Obama has enough money to do/be wherever the
hell he wants to be. He can't stand it that McCain is forced to pull out of states while Obama can stay in all of them. Why in the world does he think Barack would take advice from a right wing hack like him?
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:19 PM
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17. Obama is doing fine
There are two weeks left. Plenty of time to visit all the places he should visit, and plenty of time to expand our victory map too.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:26 PM
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18. Obama just spent several days in OH prior to the debate
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 08:32 PM by fujiyama
and he's outspending McCain by ridiculous margins in FL. I'm not sure when he last went there, but he'll be in Tampa tomorrow. There is no doubt they understand the importance of those two states. They're the two largest electoral swing states out there.

I think their campaign has a pretty good idea what they're doing. And it's obvious that they're not paying too much attention to public polls either - that's why they're not taking PA for granted even though we've seen many polls showing double digit leads. The same goes with WI. It's smart. The Kerry wins were way too narrow in both states.

Obama has many realistic paths to 270. Obama is playing offense and he has many states to chose from. We can already guess he'll take NM and IA. He has a strong chance to take NV, CO, and VA as well..And he's aggressively going after NC and MO...


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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:51 PM
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19. I am at the computer and my wife is watching TV. In the last
48 minutes there have been 3 Obama ads (I am in Florida). I went to look something up in the Urban Dictionary a few minutes ago and there were two Obama ads there urging me to vote early in Florida. Obama is all over Florida.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:46 PM
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29. I love the school ad... its so positive
big stuff coming day after tomorrow, too.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:02 PM
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20. Joe S. ought to be giving his advice to McC - he needs more.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:03 PM
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21. We just need Iowa, NM, and Colorado/Virginia. nm
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:05 PM
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23. Nope, sorry. Virginia is where it's at
Dems have won in Virginia and Colorado, focus on those.

Forget cesspits Fl and Oh
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Top Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:07 PM
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24. Joe knows that McCain has to win NC to get to the Whitehouse
That's why he wants Obama out of NC
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:10 PM
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25. HAHAHHAHHAHAH
nope
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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:15 PM
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26. Of course you are all correct. That's why I love DU. The fact that the people here think with
actual logic, knowledge, and words longer than 5 letters.
You're totally correct. Obama has had this covered from the beginning. I'm just a bit worried/stressed because my hopes are so incredibly high. Not to mention the looming end to the last eight years of pain. Do you folks think anyone else here knows where I'm coming from?;-)

Thanks DU!
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:45 PM
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32. Oh, yes. Definitely understandable.
Just ask yourself... why isn't Scarborough giving his advice to McC, who needs it? Instead of to Obama, who doesn't? JS is a propagandist. If he was right about anything, Obama would be out of the race by now. All of the pundits were wrong about this election, but it's only a few half-way honest ones who admit that.

This race has been almost 100% different from what the "conventional wisdom" would say. One big point - the lying smears have backfired this time. That never happened before.

America IS changing, and Obama IS a transformational person.

All that to say... just work hard and don't let whatever pundits say rattle you, no matter what. If they say they know, they're lying.
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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:41 PM
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27. I still stand by my ascertion that he needs to throw a most
of his efforts in Missouri and Virginia. If we win either of those, we win the election.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:47 PM
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30. Not this shit again
Obama versus Republican Scarface - you pick the right-wing troll :(
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:50 PM
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31. You're the reason Gore and Kerry lost.
No offense, but it's this mindset that has cost the Democrats the past two elections.

You know, had Gore defended his home state or won New Hampshire, he'd have defeated Bush, Florida be damned, right?

Had Kerry won Iowa, New Mexico (both won by Gore four years earlier) and then carried Colorado, it would have rendered Ohio and Florida moot. Instead, the two campaigns focused on those two states and only those two states down the stretch and they were burned because of it.

Obama's campaign is smarter than you, Joe Blow and Gore & Kerry. He realizes there is a path to victory outside of Florida and Ohio and he has a very good chance of carrying those other states. No need to risk throwing all the eggs into the Florida and Ohio basket, only to lose ground to McCain in Colorado & Virginia, then lose the election.
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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:45 PM
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33. Hey, ease up. I'm just expressing my worry. Is that not allowed here? I already posted
above that I trusted Obama and was just having a bit of stress over those two. Two states which previously DID cost the world a price that should have never been paid. Recognizing the importance of 47 electoral votes is not a "losing mindset". At no point did I recommend abandoning all other states.

Saying that I'm the "reason Gore and Kerry lost" is at the very least "offensive". Thanks for that. I assure you that I will never say such a thing about you.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:45 PM
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34. Everyone expresses their worry and it gets old.
Too much concern here. You'd think we were losing.

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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:04 PM
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37. It's the first time I've expressed my worry and I don't believe that there's ever been a better
reason to be concerned. Never has so much been riding on an election. I know it gets old, but every Dem out there is stressed to the eyeballs. We'll make it up to you when we win. Which I firmly believe we will.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:11 PM
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39. But there isn't anything to be concerned about.
He isn't losing.
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gingersnaps1 Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:52 PM
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35. I agree with you but I believe that part of the reason that Obama is campaigning in some of these
places is to help down ticket Democrats.

Axelrod, Plouffe, Gibbs and the team haven't let me down yet and I have confidence that they will pull the plug if they see it is a waste.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:55 PM
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36. I disagree... Obama is hedging his bets with multiple combinations that yield 270
Not only that, he can with without either.
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:10 PM
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38. Yeah, those huge crowds in Missouri are really hurting Obama.
:eyes:
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silverlil Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:11 PM
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40. How about California?
After 41 years I am sick and tired of democrats running for President and leaving us out. Admitterly, Robert Kennedy came to San Diego the day before he was murdered. I had to work, I worked in an office that would have to been shut down had I not worked that day,

I never got to see Robert Kennedy. We were based in Cuba when we lost JFK, I was not a citizen back then.

I am absolutely terrified that something will happen to Senator Obama. At 26 my hair fell out and I got the shingles in Cuba when JFK was gunned down.

It was important to me at that time, as much as I liked Ike since he was in charge of what happened on my Island of the UK, I saw JFK as the man to take America forward. I dont know how I will get through the next 16 days.

Look at Obama! Well I will just have to wait when he becomes our next President and then I will be able to see him via Miramar or North Island. I will see him in person, god forbid nothing happens to him. I am agnostic now... I gave up on religion.
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