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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 12:25 PM
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Purity and impotence--each feeds off the other (not a sex thread)
"When I grow up ... I'm not going to vote. That way I can complain when the government doesn't represent me. Then, when everything goes down the tubes, I can say the system doesn't work and justify my further lack of participation."

-Calvin & Hobbes


Purity is easy, so long as you do not act in any significant way. Refusing to commit oneself to significant political action is also easy, so long as you justify it with claims of total purity. To commit oneself in a presidential election while remaining ideologically "pure" is essentially impossible. Neither candidate has ever resembled anything close to a "pure" progressive or conservative in the history of this nation. The usual means of self-righteously advertising one's purity is the protest third party vote (which has almost zero impact) or providing simply a vote and -nothing- more (which has marginally greater impact). Rarely will you find a self-identifying "purist" who volunteers for or donates money to a major party presidential nominee. More often you will hear those "purists" issue loud proclamations about their principles being violated, and the great risk posed thereby to their nose cartilage as they are forced to vote on election day.

Today the case in point is the Powell endorsement. People will take great delight in pointing out their progressive bona fides whilst crapping all over the endorsement, since it's perfectly reasonable to despise Powell if you are a progressive: he behaved despicably on every controversial issue with which he was directly concerned--from My Lai and Dick Cheney's loopy Gulf War I "strategies" to his stint as a prop comic toting vials and cartoon trucks at the UN.

However, on DU especially, purists often move beyond denunciations of mostly-bad individuals like Powell to denunciations of those who are marginally bad at worst. John Conyers is your sworn enemy these days, if you're pure; he must be mocked at every step by reference to "strongly worded letters." JFK Jr. is an evil corporate stooge if you supported Obama in the primaries, given his Hillary endorsement. Bernie Sanders and Al Gore are spineless establishment sell-outs, if you believed immediate impeachment was the proper road for Congress to take this term. Even Dennis Kucinich must be written off by the obsessively pure--his evolving position on choice and his flag amendment vote cast him directly as an enemy of the people in the eyes of some.

The beauty of purity is that you can write off anyone and everyone who acts politically on a national level. There is no national politician in any of the three branches of government who would pass the purity litmus test. Purity is a boon to activism, as it allows one to make the strongest case in marketing terms for one's beliefs. You won't see the most prominent activists describing the opposing argument completely, accurately or fairly because a primary tool of activism is to dishonestly market a pure stance. There's nothing wrong with that--it pushes those with actual political power to lean their moderate policies in the desired direction. The other great advantage possessed by activists is that they rarely hold actual political power, and thus they are not constrained by the necessities of making policy--compromise and practicality.

Too often, DUers post on this board as activists, and I'd argue that such isn't necessary or helpful. We shouldn't confuse the debate in a discussion board run by and for progressives with the unfriendly and moderate national debate. We shouldn't need to obfuscate, falsify or purposely misinterpret opposing arguments. We shouldn't need to resort to personal attacks and righteous invective with one another. When writing, calling or protesting our elected leaders, all such tools are appropriate. But when discussing important issues amongst one another these tools of activism corrode honest debate and turn what should be enlightening discourse into a petty war of marketing and talking points. We see it all the time here. Take two posters who are equally "pure" ideologically. Say one examines the practical pros and cons of a bill whilst the other righteously rejects the entire framework of the bill as establishment cowardice. What will one learn from the other? Nothing, and two posters who agree in essence will disagree superficially, usually for many posts and perhaps resulting in a mutual ignore. What good does this do?

In other words, nobody's ego should be at stake here. The necessary tactics that go with a pretense of total purity are brilliant for activism but anathema to worthwhile discussion of what actually should be done to advance our interests. A line has to be drawn, of course, to define which means are acceptable for our ends, and the "pure" play a supremely important role in questioning those assumptions. However, we'd be better of if we could discuss matters openly, without fear of direct personal attacks on our political identities.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 12:29 PM
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1. Outstanding. Just outstanding. Thank you for posting this and highly recommended.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 12:59 PM
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6. Thanks Terry. I should point out it goes the other way sometimes
People mistake outrage on principle for direct, utter rejection of a politician or policy. We saw that with Biden's comments on gay marriage in the VP debate. As I'm sure I don't have to tell you, that's not very helpful either.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 12:31 PM
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2. Fully Kicked and Recommended.
:applause:
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 01:21 PM
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7. Thanks much!
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 12:33 PM
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3. k&r
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 12:36 PM
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4. Don't mean to sound anal, because I too think this is a good piece
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 12:37 PM by BerryBush
but I'm assuming you mean RFK Jr. endorsed Obama.

Edit: or, should I say, editing myself, that RFK Jr. endorsed Hillary in the primaries, because that's what you're referencing. :-)
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 12:51 PM
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5. Goes to show you can use lots of words yet still be unclear.
:dunce: :D
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:24 PM
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8. I am somewhat befuddled reading this - and usually I find you
rather clearly stating your point.

Maybe an example of what you mean would help??

I mean, I am disgusted with the Body Politic in this country. In part, my disgust comes from the fact that I have noticed that all of the industrialized nations wherein an individual has Government supported, Single Payer Universal Health Care are nations where there are more than three or even four political parties taken seriously.

All the nations wherein individuals are respected regardless if their sexual preferences are heterosexual, homosexual or unisexual (try being celibate in this country! Try having nine year olds that are not wanting to look like Britney!) all those nations have more than three or four political parties involved in the electoral process.


The same goes for which nations allow for the flow of money GOING INTO The pockets of the middle income earner.

I can rarely state this sentiment on this board without a flurry of "Well you are going to vote for Obama, aren't you?" I like to counter that with, "Gee, real change must always be worked for, even when one has to settle for what one is offered."

So in this discussion would you label me the purist? The crowd that jumps all over me the purists?

Or are only the non-voters the purists?


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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:55 PM
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9. Well, the perils of activist language cut both ways
What I mean by that is, those who won't countenance -any- reasoned criticism of Obama are just as much part of the problem. Again, the problem is that people are treating this board as though it contains a lot of moderate undecideds, which simply isn't the case. So people use talking points, rhetorical tricks and other marketing tools to push an exclusive "Obama is wholly and utterly good" position. That doesn't help honest debate in the slightest, just as "Obama is a corporate sell-out and no progressive should support him" doesn't. Those are both valid statements for activists, pushing for their principles, but on a progressive discussion board they aren't very enlightening.

I probably didn't explain it very well. :P
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 05:47 PM
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10. I do like your phrase:
"the perils of activist language cut both ways"


That does sum it up rather neatly.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 04:58 AM
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11. I still believe that you should never, ever stop asking for the pony--
--even if you would eventually accept the puppy or the kitten. If you want $3000 for your used car, you need to ask for $5000. Given the obvious--that politics is about compromising--why in bleeding hell do people continue to insist that "pragmatism" should always consist of putting out your lowball minimum offer first?
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 05:28 AM
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12. Your posts keep getting better and better
A true pleasure to read; K&R.
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