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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:49 AM
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His endorsement doesn't change the facts.

His lies still are sending our boys home dead.

I wonder how the families of the deceaced feel about his endorsement?

Bet they don't care.

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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:50 AM
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1. True.. but it will help stop McCain from continuting more of the same
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:53 AM
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6. Let him come out with a full confession then.
Only then will his endorsement matter.

Only then.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:02 AM
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11. You're acceptance is irrelevant in this. It will MATTER to those votes Obama needs
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 10:03 AM by nini
This is POLITICAL endorsement from a man admired by the independent and Moderate voters. Those are the votes Obama needs to keep/get from the Conservatives.


If it makes you feel better to ignore that fact, then fine. The bigger picture begs to differ here.


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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:51 AM
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2. No, it doesn't.
But it helps Obama. That's what I care about right now.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:51 AM
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3. His entire career was made by sucking up to his superiors and doing their bidding.
He saw that Obama will be the new boss and started sucking up today.

:puke:
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stolivodka Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:10 AM
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13. He saw that Obama will be the new boss and started sucking up today.
Quoted for TRUTH!

Besides, with the RW noise machine in full gear to slime Powell, does anyone honestly think he'll still be considered "moderate" and "credible" by most Americans in 2 weeks?

In fact, that could be the best thing to come out of this endorsement..
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:52 AM
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4. He's trying to redeem himself
I cant hate him for that. Its a step in the right direction to redeeming some part of his reputation that he shit all when the war started. He knows it could have been him right now kicking McCains ass.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:52 AM
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5. He deserves a chance- His endorsement was beautiful.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:54 AM
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8. See post 8.
Screw this war criminal.


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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:15 AM
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21. Were you planning on writing in his name on the presidential ballot?
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 10:16 AM by RichGirl
If so...then don't. He is not running.
Regardless of your judgement of Powell or of why he said what he did...HE GAVE A BEAUTIFUL INTERVIEW WHICH WILL HELP OBAMA...you know, the guy who is running, who we want to win!!

I WISH other republicans would come out and say the things he said...THAT NEEDED TO BE SAID...but, for the most part, they haven't.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:53 AM
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7. I believe in atonement and redemption . We saw it today. n/t
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:56 AM
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9. Yeah yeah yeah, he pissed us off! He lied!
Turn the other cheek. This endorsement is huge. Obama APPRECIATES his endorsement. Perhaps Powell saw the error of his ways. Sounds like he really believes Obama is the right choice.

And....whatever the fuck works to win this election.

Go volunteer, BTW (If you haven't already)
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stolivodka Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:11 AM
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14. You can turn your cheek.
Those who died can't. Try to remember that when your instinct tells you to lash out against progressives who put principle above politics.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:16 AM
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23. That's fine.
We'll carry those until they can.

and I don't believe I am lashing out against anyone. Principles means Letting go and letting God. Principles means "principles not personalities" meaning everyone can make mistakes, and yes, even mistakes that costs lives. But if those mistakes are admitted to themselves and another person or persons, then healing can begin within. Principles means taking pain, insult and injury and turning it around to the betterment of your family, neighborhood, town, country, planet or the universe.

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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:31 AM
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24. I put life over politics.
Besides Powell admitted nothing.

He is an unrepentant murderer.


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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:47 AM
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33. Peace
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:57 AM
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10. Thank you - there are a lot of people DEAD because of what I've seen referred to as his "fuck up."
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 09:58 AM by Skip Intro
While I think his endorsement does help Obama politically, he was right there throwing out the lies along with bush and cheney and rummy and condi. And a lot of people are dead because of it. That's just a fact. I'm sure he is remorseful, but he didn't have to lie to the world about the "threat" from Iraq. Kinda hard to just brush aside tens of thousands of needlessly dead.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:07 AM
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12. Watch this
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Left 0f Center Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:12 AM
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15. ...and no one has, or is forgetting that.
But I hope this is the last post I have to read regarding this re: Powell Endorsement.


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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:12 AM
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16. Hillary, Kerry and Edwards. n/t
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Left 0f Center Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:13 AM
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18. Bingo. This place is like a fucking wind chamber sometimes.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:16 AM
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22. Good grief! Kerry did not lie.
People need to get a grip.

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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:33 AM
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26. Putting those 3 on Powells level is sick.
Not the same thing.

Since when has Powell admitted his lies?


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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:40 AM
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31. They were lied to. Powell was one of the liars.


There's big difference.

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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:13 AM
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17. You would prefer he endorsed McCain?
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 10:13 AM by casus belli
So that we could continue to define him based on his mistakes?

I don't recall him ever saying he hoped this would make up for anything. Perhaps he's just trying to do the right thing NOW.
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Left 0f Center Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:13 AM
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19. DEAR GOD THANK YOU
Someone understands.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:14 AM
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20. he sought to avoid the war in iraq. that's the truth. look objectively at the facts
the hate mongering and trashing of powell's integrity is getting tiresome.

look at his record of speaking out against the bush admin and neocons, be honest about it.

he is TRULY no more to blame than those dems who voted for the iraq invasion power.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:32 AM
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25. Agreed. There was nothing Powell could do to stop it.,
Invading Iraq was on Bush's mind before he became President, and we all know how stubborn * is. It would have happened with or without Powell. But Powell shouldn't have gone to the UN and given that speech.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:35 AM
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28. Agreed 100% on the speech
I think there is redemption to be had IF it helps Obama win. I would prefer he campaigned for Obama because of the short attention spans of some.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:44 AM
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32. That's not accurate.
Many of those who voted to give the bush regime the authority to go to war have said they were lied to by the admin as far as the reason that power was needed, the way it would be used, and the threat Iraq posed. They were lied to.

Powell, with his famous vial of what the hell ever, was one of the regime's liars.

And tens of thousands of people are dead as a result of those lies.

He should be on trail with the rest of the liars for his crimes.
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:33 AM
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27. Powell made many of those false statements because he was presented lies as facts
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:36 AM
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29. Bullshit.
Pure BS.

I don't believe that for a second.
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NEDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:49 AM
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34. Do you have any proof that its bullshit?
Because that would sure help. You know, evidence, transcripts video, something to prove he knew he was lying?
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:02 AM
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36. You could say the same thing about bush.
Although I wouldn't.
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NEDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:11 AM
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38. So you don't have any?
OK, that's all I wanted to know.
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:48 AM
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39. I'll agree he should have questioned what he was presented as fact.
He should, for example, have recalled "Hey, didn't we destroy a lot of the biological and chemical stocks after the last gulf war?"

But I don't think it's pure BS. The truth, as Oscar Wilde said, is rarely pure and never simple. Chalabi had supplied much of the information he presented to the UN, and we hadn't yet learned that -- oops - he's working for Iran. So I say Powell got punked -- that doesn't make him a liar.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:37 AM
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30. Powell's endorsement today of Barack Obama is historic.
You can't change that fact, either.

No one here is trying to ignore or revise what has already happened, but the issue at hand is the political and spiritual directive from this point forward.

Toward that end and with a view toward hope for an Obama/Biden administration, Powell's endorsement this morning was a titanic blow to the GOP.


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scrappydo Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:59 AM
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35. Some DUers still insist on destroying us from within!
I am not happy, either, with Colin Powell's involvement in Iraq! However, we Democrats are great at turning ourselves inside out when we get a gift like Powell's endorsement of Senator Obama. I do not care what some DUers personally think of Powell. What matters to me is that Powell's endorsement will swing votes into Obama's column. There are many Americans who respect and admire Powell....if you do not fine....but if you want to trash Powell go to a freeper site and vent your anger there. You will fit right in!
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:03 AM
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37. Agree with you or go to Freeperville?
You do know what that sounds like.
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