Gun shop stages 'Pre-Osama bin Biden' sale

[Amerigo Vespucci]

Gun shop stages 'Pre-Osama bin Biden' sale

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Osama_bin_Biden_at_gun_shop_1017.html

A New Mexico gun shop owner says that he is "proud to offend" supporters of Barack Obama with its sign outside the store which reads "Pre-Osama bin Biden sale! Today, 7 PM - MIDNITE."

And even while the sale is over, the sign remains.

"If this sign offended people, I am damn proud of it," said shop owner Cope Reynolds in an interview with The Daily Times. Reynolds explained that "a lot of it is because of his Muslim upbringing."

"His name is Osama, er ..." began a store patron during an interview. "I mean, Barack Hasam Obama."

"It's actually Hussein Obama," said the cameraman.

"Hussein Obama," continued the patron. "That is a Muslim name."

"It's his background," said another customer. "Part of his background is a Muslim background"

"I think Obama has ... Has terrorist ties," said shop owner Reynolds. "Whether he's Muslim or not is irrelevant."

Reynold told KOAT that when he took down the sign he would probably replace it with "something equally as offensive."

This video is from ABCNews.com, broadcast October 17, 2008: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Osama_bin_Biden_at_gun_shop_1017.html

[bluestateguy]

1. I wonder how offensive he'll find an IRS tax audit next year

or maybe being placed on the no-fly list or declared an enemy combatant.

[SoxFan]

2. Some people should have "STUMPFUCKER" tattoed on their forehead

[1corona4u]

11. LOL....

:rofl:

[Fly by night]

21. Or "Stump-trained"

[nannycee]

3. Website for this idiot

http://www.southwestshootingauthority.com/

[SeattleGirl]

31. Oh, fer fuck sake! Did you see what the first line on that website

is?

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

Too bad the mofo doesn't practice what he preaches, unless he means it's okay for those those of us who find his shit offensive to threaten him.

Fucking asshat.

[Vektor]

46. They have a guestbook and a "contact us" link.

Hmmm...

Maybe this toothless mouth breather needs a little schooling.

[Paladin]

4. Jump On This One, DU Gun Nuts

Tell us all why these knuckle-draggers are in the right, and how all this is the fault of Obama/Biden. And why armed morons like these are nothing to worry about, security-wise. And why, with just a little effort on our part, just a little more pandering, these people will prance over and vote Democratic. Lotsa luck.....

[VoodooGuru]

14. there are millions of gun owners who aren't remotely like this cretin.

And yes, yes THEY do come over and vote Democratic. That's why Ben Chandler, for example, has a mortal lock on my district now and forever more.

It's not "pandering" to simply stop falling for the same trap the NRA sets for us year in and year out, tarring our candidates with the "gun-grabber" label. Doesn't make me or anyone else who is sick of that a "gun nut", either. I don't, for example, own a gun. Nor do I plan to, until the unfortunate day comes when my father dies and I inherit his.

Lump the average law-abiding, normal, SANE citizen in with know-nothing yahoos like this imbecile, and you'll drive them to vote like him. We should court THOSE people. You know, the ones who DON'T shoot off their idiot mouths more than their favorite guns. The ones who really WOULD benefit from the policies driven by Democratic rule, but who might just vote with their emotions more than they ought to, and therefore are susceptible to the scare-tactics used by the calculating GOP operatives that run the NRA. The kind that might think that guy's an idiot, too, but who are very receptive to the idea that -- and this is the very HEART of Republican appeals to white working class, high-school educated people -- liberals think they're better than you. Lump them in with that guy, and to them, that's what you're doing, as far as they're concerned. So when the GOP comes knocking, saying, "hey, I take you seriously" even if they don't do anything of the kind and don't give an airborne copulation about them or their family or for that matter whatever gun they have in their closets as long as they deliver the votes every four years, then that person goes over to their side. Again.

[Paladin]

15. So It's All Our Fault, Right? Thanks For Living Down To My Expectations

As a matter of fact, I do own guns, several of them. I've been in and around the gun culture in this country for decades, and I can assure you that loons like these gun shop guys abound in that culture, in huge, untold numbers. Their co-opting of the shooting sports in this country is the primary reason that my guns are stacked in a closet, gathering dust. No sense in engaging in an activity if you don't like the company you have to keep.

Guns are not an issue in this election, much to the disappointment of the gun militancy movement. And the Democratic Party is gun-friendly enough as it is right now, for all but the one-issue geeks who are beyond any persuasion at this point. If you want to blame all this on the Democrats and liberals, feel free. Just be aware of the fact that you're saying more about yourself than you probably intend to, here at DU. You can be a gun nut without owning a gun, you know......

[VoodooGuru]

23. Don't put words in my mouth. That guy IS a racist, redneck and there are lots like him.

I didn't say there weren't yahoos in the gun culture. There ARE, tons of them. I mean, one of the biggest gun-nut events is held in my area every year, the Machine Gun Shoot. It became a recruiting magnet for the racist right, the scary Aryan Nations and Christian Identity types, up until the organizers wised up and put the quietus on that recruiting angle... at least publicly. Terrible, terrible publicity there. But those guys, we all know those will not be moved from their rigid, doctrinaire, borderline-psychotic stances. I'm not ignorant of the fact that it is that culture that birthed Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. And yes, as far as I'm concerned, this guy and all those like him can go straight to hell and have their balls roasted on marshmallow forks. I have no intention of courting him or anyone like him.

But they are not who I am talking about when I say we should be a little more careful in how we talk about gun owners.

I am hardly a gun nut. What I am in favor of is reaching out into the hills of places like Kentucky and teaching people that they don't need to be scared of us liberals and Democrats, and taking away the persuasive power the REAL gun nuts seem to have in those circles. There is a difference, a distinction I wish to draw here. There are two "gun cultures", I think. There are the jackasses like this guy, who fetishize guns and make the Second Amendment the be-all and end-all of their political lives. Then there is the other one, the gun culture that goes way beyond the gun shops and gun shows, well into the hills where you have people who hunt to fill a freezer for the winter. Gun ownership, for them, isn't the center of existence, but it IS part of their overall identity, because they've done it all their lives, their fathers did too, and their fathers before them. It's those people, the kind you read about in books like Joe Bageant's Deer Hunting With Jesus, good people that used to be reliable Democratic voters and will be again if we play our cards right. We shouldn't be scared of THEM, and they shouldn't be scared of US - even though they seem to be. The kind that worked and lived union, the kind who descended into coal mines for a living, the kind who work with their hands and the sweat of their brows even today. And that is what I am saying is the danger - conflating those two types of gun owners is, well, like playing with a loaded gun, electorally speaking.

It is *not* remotely as bad as it has been. Lord knows, I remember the Dukakis election, and seeing "Defend Firearms. Defeat Dukakis." stickers all over the place. It's really not having the impact this year that it has in the past. I mean, for God's sake, we have a chance - maybe not a great one, but a CHANCE - in West Virginia, my birth state. The gun issue NOT being in play as much this election, however much the NRA is trying to make it so, is a significant reason why. And the efforts of people like Joe Biden to reach out to those people are a major reason why, I think. And he's hardly a gun nut, right?

[immoderate]

37. Thanks. You speak for me.

I've been out to the desert with friends for a pleasant day of plinking, and blowing up rotten fruit. I think that all of the friends I have been shooting with are happily voting for Obama. His smart move was to accept the Supreme Court decision on DC. He inoculated himself from attacks from the NRA types.

--IMM

[Paladin]

39. I Repeat: Guns Are Not An Issue This Time Around.

And the Democratic Party is gun-friendly enough as it is. I think you and I are closer on this matter than I initially imagined....

[VoodooGuru]

44. I think - nay, I hope - you are right.

I don't want to make enemies where I ought to be making friends. :)

Side note: Wasn't "Paladin" the character from Have Gun, Will Travel?

[Paladin]

50. Yeah, That's The Most Prominent "Paladin" Cultural Reference

I never intended for it to fuck with the resident DU Gun Nuts as it has on occasion; that's just a side benefit. I believe I picked the name because I always liked the old TV series and I'm a big Richard Boone fan.

Favorite Paladin Side Story: Do you remember Paladin's business card? Years ago I was sitting around with a bunch of fellow grad students when the subject of "Have Gun Will Travel" came up and one guy admitted that the business carde had lead him to believe that Paladin's first name was "Wire." We all cracked up about this, since we all had drawn the same wrong conclustion.......

[derby378]

74. "Gun-friendly?" Yeah, right...

As long as there's call for a semi-auto ban in the party platform, the Democratic Party will never be considered "gun-friendly."

But there are people like me out there who are trying to change all that.

[Kalyke]

62. Maybe you can hook up with these guys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBHkMADXnOw

They are sportsmen and are voting for Obama. :)

[mgc1961]

Damn, I wish...

...a gunshop here in TN would deeply discount his stock, sign or no sign. I've been thinking about getting a second handgun and some ammo (nothing quite like two-fisted shootin').

If a sale happens in these parts, I'll go get an Obama T-shirt that I'll wear under a jacket and after the sale is completed I take the jacket off and thank him for supporting my intent to defend liberals from the likes of him.

B-)

[yellerpup]

25. I hope you do it!

I'd like to see that reaction!

[bvar22]

28. I had the exact same thought.

I'm currently shopping for 2 guns, and could use the discount.
I would love to slap an Obama sticker on the counter after the sale.

[TomInTib]

5. You know, this is really disturbing.

I remember commenting, months back, that the 'pubs were "locked and loaded" as per Obama.

I intended to convey the idea that they were primed to go after him and to let the Crazies do whatever Crazies do..

However, many here took it the wrong way. "How dare you suggest he might be a target for assassination?".

I got scorched.

But, these days....

[ericgtr]

6. My email response to his website

Subject: What's Scarier

The name Barack Hussein Obama or the fact that someone so ignorant and afraid of what he doesn't understand owns a gun shop? You couldn't even pronounce his fucking name correctly and yet you claim to know the intimate details of his past? You sir, are what is wrong with this country. The right to bare arms is a freedom that should not extend to dumb, ignorant rednecks.

[anonymous171]

7. I hope he accidently shoots himself.

[Incitatus]

10. Idiots with guns often do.

[jody]

19. And idiots without firearms often are the victims of violent crime.

DOJ says it takes police over 5 minutes to respond to aggravated assault in 67.4% of the cases.

SCOTUS says self-defense is a personal problem.

See DU thread U.S. police response times, from the Department of Justice

[Incitatus]

24. I didn't mean all gun owners are idiots.

I am a gun owner and strongly support the 2nd Amendment.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

8. I wonder if he would sell a gun to someone who came in

wearing hijab. Just curious.

[MassLiberal]

9. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"...

"And that's what we try to do here at SOUTHWEST SHOOTING AUTHORITY by providing the kind of service to you that we would expect to receive from others."

This text appears at the top of their home page. I guess the message isn't intended for EVERYONE, though. :sarcasm:

[MercutioATC]

12. A pro-AWB candidate will get this sort of reaction from pro 2nd Amendment folks.

The advertising is offensive, but if one supports stupid legislation one has to expect some people to react negatively.

[jody]

13. Obama has not said he will veto a bill to renew the AWB so 80 million gun-owners have a right to

believe Obama will sign a bill like Biden's S.2237.

See DU thread re Biden and the AWB at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7505549

[Paladin]

16. So Fucking Vote For Sarah Palin. (n/t)

[jody]

18. Paladin, you really don't get the message that Obama says he supports the Second Amendment but

refuses to say he will veto any bill that renews the AWB.

How do you explain that contradiction?

I'm a Yellow Dog Democrat but I also know that the AWB issue is important to 80 million gun-owners out of an electorate of over 120 million.

You let your hatred of guns distort reality.

That's not new since you've been doing that since 2001 on DU and still resort to emotion rather than facts in unsuccessfully attacking any Dem who supports the Dem Party Platform and its promise to defend the Second Amendment.

Just once I would like to see you post support for gun-control that makes law-abiding citizens safer if they are prohibited from keeping and bearing arms for self-defense.

You've had nearly eight years and failed so far so come on, show me what you're made of and prove your case for more gun-control.

When you succeed, I'll personally deliver your argument to Obama because he supports the right of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms for self-defense and he's a constitutional scholar.

[Paladin]

27. I've Got A Closet Full Of Guns, Jody.

So let's get off the gun-hatred thing right now. And you sure as hell have no standing to accuse me of distorting reality. The reality of the matter is that guns are not an issue in this campaign; the only people squealing about guns this time are the militants, such as yourself. The reality of the matter is that the Democratic Party is gun-friendly enough as it is. The reality of the matter is that your guns won't be taken away by Barack Obama or Joe Biden.

And I don't have to prove a Goddamned, motherfucking thing to you. Like I said, if you're this unhappy with the Democratic Party's stance on guns---and you never pass up an opportunity to excoriate Democrats on the only issue that really seems to matter to you---go vote for Sarah Palin. I've already cast my vote for Obama/Biden, and come January, me and millions of other real Democrats will be celebrating an Obama/Biden victory. It's going to be a joyous, historic occasion---will you take any pleasure in it whatsoever as a self-described Yellow Dog Democrat? I have my doubts.....

[jody]

29. So you can't prove your case for more gun-control. I'm not surprised. Have a pleasant evening. n/t

[Paladin]

32. Golly, A Gun Militant Claiming A Cheap, Meaningless Victory.

That hasn't happened to me many times here at DU---not more than a couple of hundred times or so.....

[jody]

33. Paladin you know you've lost so why don't you bow out with grace or retreat in silence. n/t

[Paladin]

35. No. (n/t)

[jody]

36. I expected that. You remind me of the Black Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

Monty Python And The Holy Grail- The Black Knight

[Paladin]

40. I'll Give You Points For Being A Python Fan.

And you know as well as I do that you and I are never going to agree on the guns thing. If you want to declare victory, knock yourself out. I wish I were as prone to such easy satisfaction. Bye.....

[Bjorn Against]

41. Actually Paladin beat you in that debate.

And if you want a case for gun control all you have to do is read the second amendment.

"A WELL REGULATED Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The founding fathers put those two words in there for a reason.

[jody]

48. Your ignorance is showing. Suggest you read D.C. v. Heller for enlightenment. n/t

[Bjorn Against]

49. Sorry I trust the words of the Constitution more than I trust five right-wing Supreme Court justices

But even if I did trust those five right-wing judges on the Supreme Court if you read their decision even they acknowledged that there can be some reasonable restrictions placed on gun ownership.

If you are calling me ignorant then I would hope you can tell me what the words "well regulated" mean.

[jody]

53. Anyone who has not read and understood the decision is ignorant of the law of the land. Opinions are

just that but SCOTUS decisions are fact.

You said:

"A WELL REGULATED Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The founding fathers put those two words in there for a reason.

As I pointed out, SCOTUS says you are wrong.

[Bjorn Against]

54. SCOTUS decisions are called opinions. Ever hear of a majority opinion and dissenting opinion?

There were five people on the court who ruled in your favor, and four who ruled against you. Both sides expressed opinions, they call these opinions the majority opinion and the dissenting opinion. They do not call them the majority fact and the dissenting fact. You know nothing about the courts if you think all judges rule entirely on the basis of fact.

And sorry but I quoted the Constitution directly, and even those right-wing justices that you seem to think know everything would not dispute that those words are in the Constitution and the founders put those words there for a reason. You must not like the second amendment too much if you are telling me that the words of that amendment are incorrect.

In fact Scalia even wrote in the majority opinion that, "like most rights, the Second Amendment is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose." Even the decision that you cite as proof that there should be no gun control acknowledges that there can and should be some gun control.

But go ahead, tell me the second amendment doesn't mean what it says, but if you are going to do that you should would acknowledge that you do not truly support the second amendment.

[jody]

60. Please read the decision including the two dissents. n/t

[Bjorn Against]

61. I quoted the decision, now please read the 2nd amendment including those two words.

[jody]

63. If you read the decision, good. Now study it so you understand it. n/t

[Bjorn Against]

64. I understand the decision, and it supports gun control

I quoted the part in which even the right-wing justices agreed there can be reasonable gun control measures in place. I am not someone who wants to snatch away people's guns, but I think those who believe that all gun control is unconstitutional clearly have no understanding of the second amendment. You are the one that does not understand this ruling if you believe that it means that gun control is unconstitutional. We can debate what specific gun control measures are appropriate and which ones aren't, but the Constitution clearly uses the words WELL REGULATED and that suggests that the founding fathers never intended to allow anyone to carry a gun everywhere they go.

[jody]

65. The 2nd says "WELL REGULATED Militia" so the two words you cite are adjectives applying to "militia"

SCOTUS in D.C. v. Heller said "Held: 1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53."

What part of that don't you understand?

[Bjorn Against]

66. I agree with the four dissenting judges, not the right-wing judges.

Nonetheless though even the right wing judges acknowledge that there can be some forms of gun control, and even Scalia stated that very clearly in the majority opinion. I agree with the dissenting judges though, and I am not going to change my mind just because the Supreme Court justices who either selected Bush or were appointed by Bush tell me they disagree with me.

[jody]

67. The four dissenting justices said RKBA was not protected by the 2nd but even then RKBA would be

protected by the 9th.

PA (1776) and VT (1777) said self-defense is a natural, inherent, inalienable/unalienable right.

SCOTUS says government is not obligated to protect an individual so self-defense is a personal problem.

[Bjorn Against]

68. I never said people did not have the right to self defense.

That does not mean however that gun control is unconstitutional though, there are many ways for people to defend themselves. I am not saying that people should not be able to own guns, I am not a gun grabber and I think any attempts to seize law-abiding citizens guns would be disastrous. I do not believe however that the Constitution gives people the right to own any type of firearm they choose to own or to carry firearms in public places. If states want to give people that right that is the decision of the state, but it is not unconstitutional for other states to place certain limitations on guns.

The founders were very concise in the language they used in the Constitution, they did not just randomly throw words in there. The words "well regulated militia" do mean something.

[jody]

70. What are you talking about? I responded to your post #41 in which you focused on "Well Regulated".

I proved that the law of the land says the 2nd is not about a "well regulated militia" as you contend but requires government to protect an individual's right to keep and bear arms.

If you want to discuss something else, please start a new thread in DU's Guns forum rather than hijack this thread.

[Bjorn Against]

71. I didn't hijack anything, I continued a discussion you started.

I think my point has been made though, as I said I disagree with the right-wing justices. End of conversation.

[blue-kite]

69. Yes but they did it a long time ago... when it meant something particular...

The history of militia in the United States dates from the colonial era.<31> Based on the British system, colonial militias were drawn from the body of adult male citizens of a community, town, or local region. Because there were usually few British regulars garrisoned in North America, colonial militia served a vital role in local conflicts, particularly in the French and Indian Wars. Before shooting began in the American War of Independence, American revolutionaries took control of the militia system, reinvigorating training and excluding men with Loyalist inclinations.<32> Regulation of the militia was codified by the Second Continental Congress with the Articles of Confederation. The revolutionaries also created a full-time regular army—the Continental Army—but because of manpower shortages the militia provided short-term support to the regulars in the field throughout the war.

This is admittedly c&p from wikipedia.
Anyway, for me, its time to move on.
I've never been for guns in anyway and I'd be happy for them to be completely outlawed... but I think Obama and his overall policies are the only way forward, guns or not.
Cheers
BK

[farmbo]

34. Well spoken, Paladin... People need to quit spewing NRA nonsense.

Just by the way, McCain holds the same position on the AWB as Obama...its just that the NRA (Noxious Republican A**holes) has decided to overlook it. Because, you see, the NRA are Republicans first and sportsmen...well... never.

"McCain Reiterates Willingness To Consider Assault Weapons Ban
Author: GR Staff
June 18, 2008

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Writing on the Buckeye Firearms Association website, Chad D. Baus takes a well-aimed rhetorical shot at presidential candidate John McCain.

Baus writes:

From signing onto an amicus brief in support of the individual right to own firearms to attending the NRA Annual Meetings, Republican presidential nominee John McCain is doing everything he can to help America's gun owners forget his past decade of work opposing gun rights.

He glosses over McCain-Feingold campaign finance "reform" legislation, once referred to by NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre as "the dirtiest, stinkingest assault on freedom I've ever seen" by saying, "I can assure you that my motivation in this effort was directed at these out-of-control amounts of 'soft money' that seeped into federal campaigns — not a desire to restrict the ability of gun owners or any other group of citizens from making their voices heard in the legislative process." (as though being an unintended consequence somehow makes the loss of our free-speech rights any less of an issue).

He glosses over McCain-Leiberman legislation aimed at closing the non-existent gun show "loophole" by saying, "I also oppose efforts to require federal regulation of all private sales such as a transfer between a father and son or husband and wife." (yes, this is code-speak for 'I still support efforts that would end private sale of guns at guns shows and likely lead to the end of gun shows altogether').

And now, even as he attempted to gloss over prior statements that he could support an assault weapons ban, depending on the details, he has repeated his belief that there may be a way an assault weapons ban could be drawn that could win his support!"

[Name removed]

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[AlCzervik]

17. New Mexico has a lot of poverty, shouldn't that guy care about that?

maybe do a little volunteer work at the food bank, that can be a real eye opener.

[Sebastian Doyle]

20. George Fucking Poppy CIA Nazi Assed Bush Sr disowned the NRA years ago, and he was right to do it.

I don't give Poppy credit for much, but he was right when he renounced those fucking lunatics. And how anyone calling themselves a Democrat can continue to defend the NRA to this day is sickening.

Now mind you, I'm not talking about responsible gun ownership. I'm talking about this TERRORIST ORGANIZATION which exists to aid neo nazis and lunatics like this piece of shit racist gun dealer in the OP.

The NRA which believes that anyone should be able to own any weapon, and to sell weapons to whomever they choose without any sort of controls. The bastards who sold the weapons used in the Columbine High School massacre, and then had a goddamn rally in the same city before the bodies were cold.

Fuck these assholes. They're as bad as the KKK or the skinheads. And I'm sick of Democrats pandering to them.

[jody]

22. We Dems who support RKBA are part of the 80+ million gun-owners who support RKBA as does the Dem

Party in its platform.

The NRA has about 4.3 million members and in no way speaks for 80+ million gun-owners.

One issue is whether and to what degree Obama supports the Second Amendment as he says or whether he will sign a bill that renews the useless AWB included in Biden's bill S.2237 and the even more restrictive bill H.R. 1022.

Both those bills would ban semiautomatic firearms that are among the favorites for law-abiding citizens. Note 64 million of the 80+ million gun-owners do not hunt so hunting is not an issue.

[Raine]

26. PATHETIC dumb ass

I could *almost* feel sorry for someone who is so stupid and insensitive but ... I don't. x(

[democracy1st]

30. ok now I need to start collecting this BS

[IDemo]

38. I can see Dumbfuckistan from my computer

These people shouldn't be owning guns, driving, bearing children, or voting.

[crazy_vanilla]

73. I second that nt

[liberal1973]

42. Cope Reynolds is a POS

Cope Reynolds is just another far right wing un-American dumbf---.:toast:

[AZBlue]

43. I find this scary and upsetting.

[Vektor]

45. I'm not offended, I just pity the poor, ignorant, clueless fool.

What a waste of skin cells he is - what a sad excuse for a human being.

[progressivebydesign]

47. Good job McPalin! You have empowered the lowest elements of our society.

Ya know, if THAT his how far into the bottom of the barrel you have to scrape to get elected, it says more about you than your opponent. McPalin cannot win without pandering to the ignorant, the racist, and the unstable.

[casus belli]

51. Whenever you hear this stupidity, just respond "I think YOU have terrorist ties"

Then enjoy the fun as they try in vain to provide evidence to the contrary. This small lesson in frustration probably doesn't do anything to convince the weak-minded that these arguments are ridiculous and a waste of time, but it sure does provide some entertainment watching them squirm everytime you say "Sorry, not buying it. I said prove you're not."

[mainer]

52. "Keeping Obama in the cross-hairs"

This is what a gun dealer has printed on his business card. My son just visited a gun show (yeah, he's a gun nut, but he's an Obama supporter) and one of the dealers handed him the card with that offensive quote on the bottom. I think it borders on being a threat.

[Bjorn Against]

55. That is a threat, and that guy should be hauled in by the Secret Service.

[calimary]

56. Does the Secret Service know about this one?

Hopefully they do.

[vaberella]

57. It's when I read things like the above I have to try to remember what do I have to be proud of

as an American. No shame, no remorse, no sense of damned decency. Does what this man say make someone proud? Does it make me "wild" about America? When he'd want me dead if I was Black or Muslim---fuck it if I was or was not American? Is that man someone to be proud of? What makes it doubly disturbing is that he's one of many. He's one of the many I've seen at McPalin rallies. I'm disgusted. And to see that his "sale" practically screams attack our Democractic Ticket and this isn't broadcasted as an outrage.

[iamthebandfanman]

58. must suck to be so full of that much fear and anger. n/t

[eshfemme]

59. Fuck it, I'm calling in this bastard to the Secret Service.

This isn't political free speech anymore. This is something that is dangerous and borderline incitement of violence.

[rl6214]

75. I live just a few miles from New Mexico

I live in Texas but just a few mile from New Mexico but Farmington is still 10 hours away. If it were closer I would definately make a trip over there and give him a piece of my mind.