Is McCain a Man to be Pitied?

[political_Dem]

I wonder what you guys think because I hear that people say that McCain's a "good man" all the time while his misdeeds are given a pass.

[lisa58]

1. not yet

[Proud Liberal Dem]

2. I'll pity him

After the election is over or when he concedes (whichever comes first)

[MarthaMyDear]

3. No

[classof56]

4. A man to be pitied? I'd say a resounding no.

But maybe that's just me. The more I learn about him and his sorry past, the more resounding the no becomes.

[political_Dem]

9. Then the next question that should be asked is why are people pitying this man?

He's obviously an arrogant, mean and hateful man who has no remorse. It's disgusting that people can gloss over his misdeeds and just sweep them under the rug.

(However, in Letterman's case, I still like it how he served revenge to McCain on late night television.)

[glowing]

5. No, I'd say a lifetime of Karma is exploding onto this man.

He never made peace with his inner demons. He has lashed out on those with the least amount to fight back, and has relished in that power. He learned how to manipulate the media and hollywood. He is a little man who sees himself as a big man. He thinks money and power will get him what he "deserves" .. and doesn't realize that it is the actions and the deeds that make a man. He is a person I don't admire. AND would never want my children to look up to.

[Binka]

52. Amen Baby Sister!

He is a little man with big aspirations not deserved or earned. In short he is a fuckwittage.

[spanone]

6. no, he's a one-time war hero who ran a nasty, lie-riddled campaign

[MannyGoldstein]

7. Yes.

But I pity myself and rest of the US middle class far more, so no sympathy vote for him.

[political_Dem]

12. Why do you pity him?

[MannyGoldstein]

47. Because He's A Sad, Angry Man

Nobody that angry can be happy.

[madmax]

8. Nope n/t

[Faygo Kid]

10. No and hell no. He's run the most divisive campaign of my lifetime.

And that includes 2004, when at least Rove had the Swift Boaters and other surrogates do the dirty work. McCain is personally letting Hannity set the tone for his campaign, and whipping his followers into a lynch mob mentality.

[political_Dem]

30. That's among my line of thinking.

He doesn't feel any remorse for those actions. And he doesn't give a damn about the impact that might happen when his words and negativity spills onto the American streets.

It is, as someone else mentioned before, a scorched earth policy.

[AZSlacker]

11. Were he simply a misguided person with genuinley good intentions, then I'd say yes

However, he is an evil asshole... so no pity from me.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. I'll Pity Him After He Loses

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[BlueManDude]

14. I don't think even W would run a campaign like McCain has.

[Homer Wells]

15. When facing a coiled rattlesnake

The last emotion one should feel is ..PITY!

[Mist]

16. It's unwise to pity a wounded rattlesnake. nt

[H2O Man]

17. Who is it

that you hear calling John McCain a "good man" all the time?

[political_Dem]

23. Joe Biden, for starters. Bill and Hillary Clinton as well.

[H2O Man]

26. Right.

Barack Obama has, as well. But certainly, DUers are not saying that McCain is a swell guy.

Considering the lead that Obama and Biden have in the polls now, as a result of their approach to the campaign, would you suggest that they stop doing what they are doing? Perhaps speak publicly in a manner that attacks both McCain and Palin, in the same way that the republicans are attacking them? Or, in regard to Colin Powell, do you think that Obama and Biden should attack him now?

[political_Dem]

32. I love civility in a campaign.

But sometimes, their constant praise of the man reminds one of Stockholm Syndrome. Don't they know that the Republicans aren't going to be civil about this? The GOP is going to be as mean as they want to be because that sort of viciousness appeals to voters.

In the hands of the Dems, it's a matter of speaking truth to power here. Don't call him an honorable man when he has single-handedly allowed people in his own crowds to call for the death of his opponent.

I can understand in rare occasions in which civility calls for one to say nice things. But not all the time at every stump speech.

[H2O Man]

34. Bernard Hopkins

is saying some mighty nice things about Kelly Pavlik this week. I don't think he will be so polite once they are in the ring. It's a tactic. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Binka]

55. Talk Pretty Then

Left hook, upper cut, and jab. KO. Been thinking a lot about you Patrick. Sending good vibes and heart feelings. Love you and your family my brother.

[treestar]

44. I agree, they could say nothing mean or nasty but please cut out

the compliments!

It must be due to collegiality, they have worked together and maybe like lawyers on opposing sides, they can forget about it after work. Biden has known McCrap since the early 70s and might have more positive interactions with him than we know of. But McCrap has crossed the line so much you'd think the Dems would resent it more.

[dgibby]

35. Damning with faint praise.

There is a certain decorum followed by Senators in respect to their colleagues. Joe is just following protocol.

It is, however, an excellent campaign technique, in that it demonstrates that it's all about political, idealogical differences, and not personal animosity.

Joe is an expert at this. Disarm them with charm, then go in for the kill, while still staying out of the gutter.

As my kittehs would say, "Purrrrrrrrrfect"!!!:evilgrin:

[political_Dem]

37. I agree.

But it can be mistaken for taking "kindness for weakness" too. That is what I am worried about.

[mitchum]

46. Well, bless their hearts

[City Lights]

18. No way, no how.

He has no honor, no dignity, no integrity. He's an empty shell of a human.

[IsItJustMe]

19. Hell no. He is a man to be kept away from the reigns of power, there is were you should concentrate

your efforts. Not on philisophical questions.

[saltpoint]

20. He is an ordinary man who thought he was an extraordinary man

and suddenly found himself in the world arena where all the pitches come at you at over 90 mph.

He is a man of minor league skills and instincts.

History favors his opponent.

And his opponent is the superior mind with a groundgame to die for.

McCain lost when he could not ride the inevitable nominee wave in the final GOP primaries. Romney still drew significant support and Huckabee actually beat him in some states, long after the math put McCain on top. He couldn't seal the deal even after he had.

The fundies have never liked McCain and do not trust him. He's their choice now because he is not Obama and not because he is McCain.

If you are going to jump into the presidential maelstrom, you need to have a plan and an abiding, defitional theme. McCain didn't bother with either.

It's hard to feel sorry for someone who doesn't do the homework.

[political_Dem]

24. Exactly.

He got this social mobility from riding on the coattails of other people, including his own family. He himself admits that he is not qualified enough for his leadership roles in the military.

Of anything, he is the epitome of special interests and consideration.

I find it quite ironic when people say that this man is experienced.

[Crazy Dave]

21. No and...

His own party will forever despise him not just because he lost but because everything that went wrong with his campaign was of his own doing. Plus the fact the he and George Bush make it tougher for every other republican candidate out there running for office every time they open their mouths.

[CreekDog]

22. i would like him to be pitied

for having lost the election.

[charlyvi]

25. I pity anyone who suffers through no fault of their own.

I pity anyone who suffers by their own decisions if those decisions were made through ignorance, or even stupidity. I don't pity anyone who knowingly makes a bargain with evil for the power it may give him. So, no, I don't pity McCain.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

27. Fuck no. He's insanely rich, for one. Not everyone gets to be president.

[BlueIdaho]

28. Fuck no.

All his life this little bastard has said one thing and done another. He was a spoiled brat at the academy, a disaster as a pilot, on the take with the Keating five, no supporter our veterans, and now we see him look into the camera lens and flat out lie to the American public about his policies, Palin, Ayers, and Acorn. Like every other adult John McCain is responsible for his words and deeds. Each day he shows us just what kind of a lying coward he really is.

Don't be fooled by this scoundrel, I say he deserves to own his history.

[political_Dem]

36. Yes! That's what I was thinking about as well.

[JBoy]

29. No. He wants to continue fucking up the world.

[iceman66]

31. Not at all.

McCain has little pity (or concern, or empathy) for anyone less fortunate than himself (which is 99.9% of the population). Why should we pity him?

[SoxFan]

33. Time and perspective will tell

Some time down the road, we will know more about the internal dynamics of the McCain campaign. We will know more about who advocated what approach, and we will know more about McCain's own thinking.

Frankly, I am saddened by McCain's descent. Over the years, I had come to regard John McCain much as I regard my state's former senator, Warren Rudman. He's a man with a number of policy views that I profoundly disagree with, but who I believe is a pragmatist at heart, who is willing to put party aside when the nation's needs are at stake, and who knows the limits of partisanship and attack politics.

The John McCain who spoke out forcefully against the corrupting power of special interest money in politics; the John McCain who showed real leadership and crafted a serious and thoughtful plan for addressing global warming; the John McCain who once spoke eloquently about the evils of torture. Where is he?

Instead, we have Steve Schmidt's McCain Version 2.0.

The old John McCain would never have passed over intelligent and qualified leaders like Joe Lieberman, Tom Ridge, Olympia Snow, or Rudy Giuliani in favor of an unqualified extremist with ethics problems and ties to a right wing splinter group.

I miss the old John McCain. A healthy debate between honest and thoughtful men and women of all ideological stripes is healthy for the democratic process. Seeing a once decent man turned into a tool of the most loathsome elements in American society is nothing less than tragic.

[political_Dem]

40. Although what you've said is very eloquent, I don't know if I can agree.

In short (and in my belief), the old McCain is the new McCain. He hasn't changed. He has just attached himself to another opportunity to exploit society by riding on someone's coattails. In this case, it is George W. Bush.

[backscatter712]

38. Fuck, no. Break the son-of-a-bitch.

We're at the point where we should be throwing anvils at him and finishing him off.

[JohnMcCant2008]

39. Nope - he's a grown man who sold his soul. Can't wait to kick him when he's down....

I wish shame, humiliation and the end to both their political careers.

Palin - I can't wait until her only option for earning a living is to have to date Flava Flav on a VH1 reality show.

[MurrayDelph]

41. Maybe, just "Maybe" I will pity him two years from now

after he loses his last re-election attempt to Janet Napolitano.

[FLyellowdog]

42. Not no, but HELL no.

He has made the choice to run a down and dirty campaign. He could have gone in a different direction but CHOSE not to. I CHOOSE not to pity him.

[mitchum]

43. Fuck no...he has been sucking on the public tit since he drew his first breath

[HughMoran]

45. SCORNED!!! He went to the gutter with ease

I fucking hate his mother fucking guts.

[Life Long Dem]

48. McSame is a lying piece of corruption.

[Raschel]

49. Pitied in the fact that he has Cliff Claven issues.

No relationship with powerful daddy and controlled by mommy.

[gulliver]

50. Like one might pity an Ebola victim.

From a distance.

McCain's got the GOP diseases, intellect cancer, motivation abscess, anger-osis. Only thing to do for them is to make sure they are comfortable, stand back, avoid secretions.

[Phx_Dem]

51. Absolutely not. No one forced him to be angry and hateful.

No one forced him to run a racist campaign and not speak out against other GOPers' racist actions.

No one forced him to choose Sarah Palin (which lost him the support of alot of conservatives)

John McCain chose to abandon all sense of decency, and he has no one to blame but himself.

[pleah]

53. NO, no, hell no!

He is not a good man. His past and present deeds prove this.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

54. Why pity? The man has led a a great life

He's not entitled to be President as a right, just because he was a POW. He has to earn the vote of the people. McCain has led a life in which every door has been open to him, from his entry at the Naval Academy to the Senate floor. He's married a rich woman and, with the exception of his terrible time in North Vietnam, has never wanted for anything. In addition to having his every physical need met, he's enjoyed a life of respect, power, and prestige. What tiny percentage of us can say the same?

He may be a tired old man now but old age comes to us all, if we are fortunate enough to have good health. And McCain has had access to every medical expert he might need to prolong his life.

Why would anyone pity him?

[Ikonoklast]

56. Second-string bench warmer that got called up because the first-teamer is out hurt

First 'start' in the Big Leagues even though he is a long-time veteran and has been on the team for many years.

He's lining up against a rookie that looks like he is a dead solid lock for an All-Pro selection and a consensus Rookie Of The Year, who already has fifteen sacks and forty-seven tackles to his name.



There is no pity to be had. You will get the fillings knocked out of your head on the very first play.

And it gets steadily worse from that point on.

I don't care how 'nice' or 'honorable' he is. Matters not.

It's gonna hurt.

Bad.

[CADEMOCRAT7]

57. Pity, no, but I do wonder if he got used by whoever put him up to picking Palin.

I wonder if in fact "they" knew he would not win, and secretly they do not support/like him, and they wanted to get Palin out there for the future.

[Doctor_J]

58. Maybe on Nov 5, if he slinks quietly away

otherwise, no

[Top Cat]

59. I will not offer an pity for the bastard John McCain..... I bought this nasty in the game

[Hepburn]

60. NO!!! He is an ASSHOLE to be DEFEATED! n/t

[olegramps]

61. I think McCain is a good man

A good for nothing bastard of the first order. Nothing but an adulterous gigolo nincompoop.

[Undercurrent]

62. No pity.

No quarter.

[polichick]

63. imo he's a classic sociopath who has fooled people with a self-penned myth...

...he's not honorable or good ~ and never was.

[political_Dem]

64. A Little Kick