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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 03:35 AM
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Poll question: Will Texas secede if Obama/Biden win?
Right now, McGrumpy and Moose Meat have a +12 rating in Texas. I have been to Texas, it is a very RED state (among other things), and I think they will try to secede if they win.

What say you?
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orestes Donating Member (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 03:36 AM
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1. I say "See Ya!"
And I hope there's a mass exodus of nutters to Texas afterwards.
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Whalestoe Donating Member (928 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 03:36 AM
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2. I hope so. I would not miss Texas and you can come and move in with me.
Plus, Texas gone just makes it easier for Dems to win.
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Poseidan Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 03:37 AM
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3. definitely
Edited on Sat Oct-18-08 03:37 AM by Poseidan
Secession is easy to do, and extremely common. I would say without question, secession is a realistic possibility... not!
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 03:39 AM
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4. Nah
Despite my cynical-sounding username, I don't really consider TX red to *that* extreme. If any area of the country were likely to want to secede over Obama-Biden winning, I'd figure it would be the consistently deep red Idaho-Wyoming-Utah region. Though, it might be kind of difficult for such a landlocked area to successfully "secede." haha
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 03:41 AM
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6. I considered them too, but too few people to matter
other than Peacocks, what do they offer, potatoes maybe? We have Maine, their potatoes are better.
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TTUBatfan2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 03:39 AM
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5. I'm in Texas...
right in GWB's adopted hometown of Midland, and I doubt your scenario happens. Yes, there's a lot of hatred for Obama here, but good luck seceding. Asking for big trouble in that case. If it did happen, I'd be forced to move for sure.
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magdalena Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 03:59 AM
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11. Since you're a Texan...
is it true that every year your state legislators vote on the issue of secession? Something I've heard before, but have never sought an answer on.

I remember when I visited the state capitol in Austin seeing the monument to the confederacy with all the "stars n bars" and a giant monument to the ten commandments on the capitol lawn. It was rather creepy. Especially in a great town like Austin.
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TTUBatfan2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 04:48 AM
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14. I honestly have no idea...
I do not pay any attention to local politics here to be quite honest with you.
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magdalena Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 04:52 AM
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15. Oh ok, no problem.
Just something I've been curious about for awhile. Thanks for your response!
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TTUBatfan2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 05:15 AM
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18. No prob...
Sorry I couldn't give you any insight into it. Really the only thing I know about Texas politics, despite the fact that I was born here and have lived here my entire life, is that Ann Richards was a good governor, GWB was an asshole but didn't screw up anywhere near as bad as he did on the national stage, and that Rick Perry has been a horrible governor. His governance has been eerily similar to GWB's Presidency. Cut from the same cloth though. They are empty suits, vessels for the failed policies of Karl Rove.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 07:35 AM
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30. No, they don't
For one thing, they only meet every other year... :evilgrin:

Secession, it's been done. Last time we tried it, the Yankees gave us a hell of a whipping. So you're stuck with us, like it or not.
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magdalena Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:11 AM
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33. Thanks for clearing that up!
I don't mind being "stuck" with Texas, however there are several Texans I would love to see secede. :hi:
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kwyjibo Donating Member (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 09:45 AM
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48. I grew up in Midland...
I find it strange that you haven't been forced to move already.
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 03:42 AM
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7. i voted too quickly, once the post screen popped I realized I had missed your off the meds option
jk :P
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 03:44 AM
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8. HAHAHAHA
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Poseidan Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 03:47 AM
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9. why would a state secede?
This whole red/blue war is complete crap. Everyone has their Constitutional rights... what the fuck more do people want? America is like an entire nation of spoiled children.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 03:48 AM
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10. Sorry, I guess comedy isn't a good idea this early in the morning
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 04:06 AM
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12. Obama could win texas if he had a little more money to put there..
no they won't secede
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 04:14 AM
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13. Doubt it!! I'm rooting for Noriega to get the Senate seat and change Texas to purple,
at least, anyway. We may not be able to get the State at large, but we can get a few seats to turn it Purple by another election time. I think people focus way too much on turning Blue, but being rosy and purplish is good enough as a start to moving towards Royal Blue.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 06:37 AM
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26. I think Sam Johnsn's past election stats are more telling then anything
Two election cycles ago he won by over 80% when NO Dem was running against him. His last election he had a Dem opposing him and his winning number was "only" just over 60%.
Now think of successful voter registration drives for new voters and how motivated the "not new, always been here" Dems are this time around. What will his number be down to now???
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 04:59 AM
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16. Um, NOT just NO, but HELL NO...... "DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS"
Edited on Sat Oct-18-08 05:04 AM by MagickMuffin
:eyes:

I live in and Texas has A LOT of Liberals/Progressives/Populists who live here. Our biggest problem IS they usually don't bother to VOTE.

It has been tried before during the 90's and it didn't work then and it wouldn't work now.


edit: added our motto to the title:evilgrin:






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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 05:11 AM
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17. What, before Alaska does? n/t
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deoxyribonuclease Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 05:19 AM
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19. Many of you are underestimating the cities
A significant number of people live in Texas' large cities (San Antonio and Austin metros area populations are ~2 million; Houston and Dallas metro area populations are > 5 million each), and many of the residents are not republicans. The rural areas away from the border with Mexico are certainly red, but the cities are much more heterogeneous.

I see the shift away from republicans already happening due to changing demographics (Hispanic and immigrant populations), increased number of educated workers, and the establishment of several high-tech industries and research facilities throughout the state.
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kwyjibo Donating Member (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 09:42 AM
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47. So true. Here in Austin, the capitol, where a vote for secession would likely have to take place,
we are blue through and through. We'll kick some serious secessionist ass before they can even attempt to take us out of a country that's finally going the way we want it to. Austin LOVES Obama! In his first visit, 20,000 people showed up to hear him speak, which was the largest rally at the time. The second time, there were 10,000 MORE.

And hell, even in the small towns, the people there are so "patriotic." I don't think they'd be willing to no longer be Americans. They've spent WAY too much money decorating their living rooms with American flag country crafts.
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endelfam Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 05:23 AM
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20. Hell no.
Metro Dallas has already turned blue, and chunks of Houston as well. Just give us a few years. This Hispanic population is growing by leaps and bounds. (My own family is Anglo/Hispanic.) The Democratic vote shift will follow.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 06:08 AM
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21. Well...first off, IBTL (for state trashing?) but not before I say
Edited on Sat Oct-18-08 06:10 AM by rainbow4321
You know nothing about this state, obviously... we are glad you have "been" but didn't "stay" cuz your presence would get in the way of those of people trying to change things bit by bit down here. And it's starting to change...you just have to look at the historically right wing rag Dallas Morning News Endorsements this week to see that..even THEY have endorsed some 15 Dem candidates for positions from judges to the TX House to the head of the TX Dept of Ed. Dallas County residents FIRED ALL of the county's repub judges in 2006.

I think other Texans will agree from what we have seen down here in the past few months, the prez race stats here will be closer than the current polls show (tons of new voters, newly re-energized not-so-new TX Dem voters, etc..).


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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 09:04 AM
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35. Really, IBTL? SO the correctness police are on patrol?
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 06:14 AM
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22. one can hope.
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 06:18 AM
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23. Please do it. Quebec has been threatening to secede since from Canada since
Edited on Sat Oct-18-08 06:18 AM by gbrooks
1963. Why don't they? Because extortionists
never intend to carry out their threat. If they
did they wouldn't get paid.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 06:18 AM
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24. Texas won't, but Alabama might. McCain is +20 in Alabama according to RCP n/t
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 06:41 AM
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27. McCain is up 36 points in Utah, I think nt
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Franzia Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 06:35 AM
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25. ...
Edited on Sat Oct-18-08 06:37 AM by Candy-O


I live in Texas, and everyone I know is voting for Obama.



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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 06:45 AM
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28. One can only hope---perhaps they can convince other Red-State
tax drainers to go, too.

Maybe we can do a citizen exchange....
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 09:05 AM
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36. THAT is a thought, we'll exchange our doofus rednecks for Progressives
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specialed Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 07:34 AM
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29. Can we just get a constitutional amendment banning Texans from holding the Presidency?
First LBJ Then Shrub.

I just don't think America can take another one. Kidding!
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 09:06 AM
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37. Shrub isn't a real Texan. He's a fake.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 07:35 AM
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31. They should go ahead, for all I care.
Edited on Sat Oct-18-08 07:36 AM by terrya
What exactly would we be missing? The Dallas Cowboys?
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 07:59 AM
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32. Secession talk is always hot air, it's an act of war.
Edited on Sat Oct-18-08 08:02 AM by Waiting For Everyman
It didn't work out too well for the Confederacy. There are no opt-out checkboxes in the Constitution.

*edit: I got that you weren't serious, but some wingnuts are, when they make similar statements. Just sayin'.
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BabbaTam Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:40 AM
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34. Texas rural
I live out in the country in Texas and a bunch of neighbors got together the last two weekends and made around 2500 'Obama/Biden for all Texans' signs. When we had our caucus, they had to move it outdoors because the little community center wouldn't even start to hold all the people that showed up. There are lots of libruls in Texas.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 09:07 AM
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39. Want to live in NJ? We have lots of country here too. You can have our Rethugs.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 09:06 AM
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38. YOU 'callin me a Wingnut? DU looses it's sense of humor yet again.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 09:09 AM
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40. ...
In the 2004 Democratic primary 839,231 Texans showed up to vote.

In the 2004 general election 2,832,704 Texas Democrats voted for John Kerry.

During the 2008 Texas Democratic presidential primary, 2,874,986 people voted.

In early September 2008, Democratic voter registration had already surpassed 13 million.

So, make all the fun you want but if our state gives its 34 Electoral votes to Barack Obama, I expect you to eat crow pie.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 09:20 AM
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41. Humor
Edited on Sat Oct-18-08 09:21 AM by DainBramaged
Humour or humor (see spelling differences) is the tendency of particular cognitive experiences to provoke laughter and provide amusement. Many theories exist about what humour is and what social function it serves. People of most ages and cultures respond to humour. The majority of people are able to be amused, to laugh or smile at something funny, and thus they are considered to have a "sense of humour".

The term derives from the humoural medicine of the ancient Greeks, which stated that a mix of fluids known as humours (Greek: χυμός, chymos, literally: juice or sap, metaphorically: flavour) controlled human health and emotion.

A sense of humour is the ability to experience humour, although the extent to which an individual will find something humorous depends on a host of variables, including geographical location, culture, maturity, level of education, intelligence, and context. For example, young children may possibly favour slapstick, such as Punch and Judy puppet shows or cartoons (e.g. Tom and Jerry). Satire may rely more on understanding the target of the humour, and thus tends to appeal to more mature audiences. Non-satirical humour can be specifically termed "recreational drollery".

PS thanks to Wiki yet again for 'splain the words.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 09:23 AM
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42. Will you still eat the pie?
Humor!
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 09:27 AM
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43. PIE did you say PIE!!!
:patriot: :hi:
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 09:31 AM
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44. I Hope All You Texas-Haters Have Long Memories And A Sense Of Shame

Because Texas is going to be a toss-up state within our lifetimes. The developing demographics are as unmistakable as they are unstoppable.

In the meantime, as is my standard practice, I'd like to invite all of you who are stupidly trashing the entirety of my native state to go fuck yourselves.....
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 09:37 AM
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45. I put up with HUGE bashing of NJ and smile, so I guess I have a sense of humor, no?
See my post about humor, and just have a nice day!
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 09:58 AM
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50. Yeah, I've Noticed All Those Rabid Demands That NJ Secede From The Union

And what a shame that NJ residents have to put up with the endless shit-canning of their state here at DU, because some brain-dead faux NJ resident became president and ruined the country. (Satirical notice for the clueless.)

Over 2.8 million Texas Democrats cast votes for John Kerry in 2004; I was one of them. My standard request that DU's blanket Texas haters go fuck themselves remains in effect. And we'll discuss my sense of humor about this issue somewhere down the line....
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:02 AM
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52. I have never told anyone here to go fuck themselves
and I am not strting with you, but I will say bye!
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kwyjibo Donating Member (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 09:49 AM
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49. Agreed. People forget that even though we're a minority, there are A LOT OF DEMOCRATS IN TEXAS
Perfectly sane, awesome, beautiful, hard working, loving, intelligent, educated, and interesting people.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 09:40 AM
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46. Other - "I sure hope so"
:thumbsup:
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MelanieArt Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:01 AM
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51. No, they're going to SUCCEED from the union
Edited on Sat Oct-18-08 10:03 AM by MelanieArt
according to a freeper quoted in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7490458

ROFL, why CAN'T those people spell?
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:13 AM
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53. so they'll revert back to Mexico? good luck with that.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:16 AM
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54. I say let them
Nice big state, and all freepers can move there. Sure it will be hard on Texas Dems, but we will let them come to the U.S. and give them the freepers houses and do all we can to ease the transition.

Think how much of our border problems will be solved. We'll only have AZ, NM, and CA and the freepers will have to worry about the rest of it. May they be overwhelmed and find Spanish is their offical language within a generation.

Of course we'll have the freep border, but they won't want to come back to our "socialist" paradise, will they?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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