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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 05:52 AM
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Will everyone please CALM DOWN?
Edited on Sun Sep-05-04 06:01 AM by JDWalley
I can hardly ever recall the sort of group panic I've been seeing here since Thursday. A bit of clear thinking is needed now, more than ever.

First of all, I have no doubt Bush got a sizable bounce from the convention. One poll with an 11-point lead might be a bad data point; two such polls are hard to argue with. Spending time trying to poke holes in their methodology is pointless wishful-thinking, as is seeking out other polls (most of which were taken before the convention) with results you like more. And imploring people to "ignore the polls," as Knute Berger observed, is a good sign of an already-lost campaign.

No, there's no reason to suppose that Bush doesn't have a lead, even a double-digit lead, at this point in time. Why should anyone be surprised? We just got over a week-long infomercial for Bush, and even those who didn't turn in to cable surely caught the "highlights" on network news or in their local newspaper. The RNC was put together by operatives with years of experience, political "smarts," and almost unlimited reserves of cash. Would it be sensible to expect them to do an incompetent job in hawking their "product?" Hardly! For most of one week, the Republicans got to paint the picture they wanted, cast the world according to their colors, present their candidate as a near comic-book superhero, and envelop the "consumer" in a show whose every nuance was designed to impel said consumer to "buy" that candidate. Should we be surprised that they did the job well?

The thing about convention bounces, though, is that eventually the convention ends and fades from memory. Voters find they aren't living in the virtual reality of Madison Square Garden, but in the real world where their wages are stagnating, their boss is demanding they come in to work this weekend, their co-workers' jobs are being off-shored, and their gas prices are soaring back into the two-dollar-plus range. Not to mention a world where American soldiers keep dying in Iraq, and the White House's fantasy of a New American Century is farther away than ever.

Prior to the Republican big show, polls indicated the nation was almost evenly split, with most giving Kerry a slight lead. Even more importantly, key indicators were going against Bush -- the number of those who believed he was doing a good job, that he deserved to be re-elected, and that the nation was heading in the right direction were below 50%. Most importantly, they had been there for many months. It is possible, in the immediate aftermath of the RNC's dazzle, that some or all of these indicators have climbed into positive territory. But will they stay there? These indicators are opinions that have taken a long time to develop, and that have formed over months if not years of dissatisfaction with the real world people are experiencing. Is it possible that something that happened at the RNC was so powerful as to change all that, not just for this week but long-term? Dubious at best. Once the convention "glow" has worn off, people are going to return to the reality of their lives in Bush's America, and there's no reason to suspect they're going to find it more palatable than they did one or two months ago. I would be stunned to see the polls continue to show a sizable Bush lead, no matter what the margin you may hear this week.

And that's why it's not time to panic. I've seen a lot of silly, wishful thinking on DU in the past forty-eight hours. Don't hang your hopes on a potential scandal, such as the upcoming book about the Bush family -- if we have to count on that, we're grasping at straws, and I don't see us in that position yet. Nor is there any point in us trying to develop slogans, ads, or other "suggestions" to the Kerry campaign. If Kerry needs to start relying on contributors to a web site for his campaign ideas, he's in more trouble than we can help him with.

Do we need to, as many have urged, "go negative?" Probably not. Generally, the one time you don't want to shift to a negative style of campaigning is just after your opponent has taken the lead -- it looks more like desperation than anything, and will generally be read as an admission that you don't have anything positive to offer that would be good enough to win. (Note that I am talking about the campaign itself -- there's nothing wrong with an "independent" 527 or two to go on the offensive.) On the other hand, there's a difference between running a negative attack campaign, and responding with full force when you are subject to such attacks. That's what Kerry started to do last Thursday night; better he should have taken action to defuse the Swift Boat attacks when they first appeared, rather than waiting until they had done harm. (More to the point, he shouldn't have asked MoveOn to pull their ad at that time -- the best way to have handled that situation was to have fought fire with fire, and deflected the accusations against himself with equal accusations aimed at Bush and Cheney.)

In the end, though, the solution is not to become negative but to become forceful. It isn't "mudslinging" or negative campaigning to point out the multitude of ways in which Bush has provably failed America, especially when you can offer a successful alternative. Kerry needs to focus on the average American's dissatisfactions with his or her life, show how Bush's policies have caused the problem or made it worse, and offer powerful and credible hope that a Kerry administration can make their lives better. We already know that most people, however they may have reacted to the RNC's theatrics, feel the country (translation: their own immediate reality) is going in the wrong direction. There's nothing wrong with framing the issue simply in that way: "If your life has improved since President Bush took office, go ahead and vote for him. If not, know that we have a plan to turn this country around and get it going in the right direction." In the long run, that's what will win the election. That, and steady pressure to get that message out...not panicking because our opponent may have a 11- or 15- or even 25-point lead for the next few days. What counts isn't how things stand immediately after a convention, but what happens when the bounce subsides and voters get back to the real world.
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abrock Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 05:56 AM
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1. Exactly.
Bush's policies have condemned him, all Kerry needs to do is run a solid campaign and make sure everyone knows what he is doing and plans to do, and Bush is screwed. Panicking at this point is not only premature, it is comical because, as any student of political history will tell you, there is nothing to panic about. Yet.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 06:13 AM
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2. Thanks for a sensible message. Why would

anyone think Bush* wouldn't get a bounce after the RNC? You can bet that John Kerry expected him to get a bounce.

I don't like seeing Bush* ahead in polls but the only poll that really counts is on November 2. Everyone knows that, deep down, but sometimes we need to stop and remind ourselves.

Let's also remind ourselves that Kerry came from behind to win the primaries. The media were telling us Kerry was toast. We cannot worry about the media or the polls.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 06:16 AM
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3. A level headed post
Edited on Sun Sep-05-04 06:33 AM by depakote_kid
Nice. The only thing I'd add is that the 'bounce" reflects not simply the convention, but the Republican efforts- and our own missteps- thoughout the month of August.

Letting up on Bush was obviously a mistake; this election is more of a referrendum about him than it is about John Kerry. We're talking about the most corrupt, inept and in terms of public policy- irrational administration in American history- bar none. Blame needs to be placed where it belongs.

I'd also disagree with you that contributors to a website- or even a person who you hear talking on the train- doesn't need to be considered, provided that they have insight for the organization. The value of this sort of feedback has been taught in management classes for over 20 years- and yet is still difficult to find in use in most companies. Check out a performance audit sometime and see if that's not almost always one of the recommendations made.
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non sociopath skin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 06:26 AM
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4. JD, this is one of the best posts I've read ...
... on a par with Mike Moore's recent op-ed on keeping the faith, and that's praise indeed.

Let the dust settle. If the campaign emphasis needs fine-tuning, there's time to do it.

I repeat: Progressive forces the world over are wishin' and a - hopin' and a- prayin' that you guys pull this one off. Go for it!!!

The Skin
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 06:31 AM
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5. if we despair - then bush* has won
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 10:56 AM
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16. The weapons the Republicans are counting on
are apathy, hate, despair and ignorance.

Turning into Zell Miller clones plays right into that strategy.
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GOPAgainstGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 07:54 AM
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6. THE TIME POLL WAS GOP RIGGED - I ALREADY POSTED IT TWICE!
The Poll Was Bush GOP Rigged - Read Here for Info

"Insider’s News”, Vol 1 - Kerry-Edwards Campaign Doing Well!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x748458
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 10:55 AM
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15. People who actually believe what Time has to say
are still waiting for Nixon's plan to bring us victory in Viet Nam....as soon as that minor Watergate distraction blows over....

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 10:10 AM
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7. Exactly-it is still Kerry in a walk
No need to get worried but definitely time to GET TO WORK!
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 10:37 AM
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8. I have always believed in my candidate
Kerry and Edwards are the best people for the job. Period. Our options in this election is between a spoiled frat boy and mean, secretive VP with a horrible, horrible record to run on or two men who have worked long and hard for years to make lives better for all Americans. No comparison for anyone but those who read and believe skewed poll meters. Kerry/Edwards are now taking the gloves off, throwing some elbows and the fun is just beginning. We all have a job to do. Are you doing your part?

A bounce was expected for the GOP after the convention - so stay calm - but 500,000 people marching in the streets of New York just last Sunday did not just melt away into video archives. They are alive and well and ready to fight. And you can multiple that 500,000 by a factor of 20 of those who couldn't get to the protests but cheered them on enthusiastically with their hearts, pocketbooks and time in thousands of hometowns.

Let him have his bounce, its soft, the polls have consistently been weak for this guy. Quit worrying. You are playing right into the neocons hands by giving too much credence to silly polls coming right after 96 straight hours of media info-commercials for the GOP

It is a cliche but has never been more true: If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Our policies and platform are stronger, more inclusive, saner, and better for all Americans. Now get the word out. Come November 3rd I don't want to think I left one single thing undone to de-select this administration.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 10:58 AM
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18. And along those lines....
if you don't trust the innate decency and good faith of your fellow citizens, why are you a Democrat?

If you really, down deep, think a majority of Americans are greedy hate-filled thugs, the Republican party is happy to accommodate your point of view. Their entire campaign is based on that premise.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 10:40 AM
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9. Don't forget...
Texas Lt. Gov. Barnes shows up on 60 Minutes tonight with the Left's own answer to the "Swift Boat" campaign. Bush can dish it out - let's see how well he can take it.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 10:53 AM
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13. That's next week, not tonight. (eom)
NT
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 10:47 AM
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10. I can't believe how this place fell apart after one poll
this doesn't give me confidence. DU is suupposedly a haven for intellegent liberal politicos. I'm stunned by how we can become this divided and outraged after prelim polls directly AFTER the RNC hatefest.

What should we have expected, shrub to drop in the polls by 10? (would have been nice but not realistic)
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 10:51 AM
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11. I agree, this falling apart has really pissed me off. I do think a
substantial number of Henny Penny posts were "imported" gloom from disruptors subtle and not so subtle, but most have been from our own. One week. The original poster is right, everyone should calm down.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 10:51 AM
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12. will EVERYONE...........
will everyone please quit saying everyone, it really comes off offensive almost. i think the majority are not panicy. there are a few. so to feed the everyone calm down theory............well i am calm was calm and will be calm. as are many.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 10:53 AM
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14. Great post....
You'd think some of these people had never seen a presidential election before.....

And I cannot imagine what kind of dimwit saw Zell Miller ranting hateful gibberish like an idiot and said to himself "Gee, I wish we had us one of them?"

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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 10:58 AM
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17. thanks for this well-grounded post
I needed a dose of common sense today!
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 11:11 AM
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19. I'll have to disagree...

It's go-time, and this is a political brawl. I say we go for their throats.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 06:30 PM
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20. Now, THIS is the sort of thing I was talking about...!
Last night, I posted:

There's nothing wrong with framing the issue simply in that way: "If your life has improved since President Bush took office, go ahead and vote for him. If not, know that we have a plan to turn this country around and get it going in the right direction." In the long run, that's what will win the election.

Now, today, I hear Kerry finishing off a speech with:

"If you think your income is better, if you think your job is safer, if you think you're earning more money and you're saving more money, if you think your health care is what you want it to be, if you think outsourcing is good for America, go vote for George Bush," Kerry said.

"But if you think you can do better, putting people back to work, strengthening our country, having health care, restoring our schools, it's time to vote for a new direction."


Way to go, John!!!

:toast:
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 06:59 PM
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21. Nice post.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 07:03 PM
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22. Thanks. That was like a deep, cleansing breath.
:bounce:
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kevin881 Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 07:30 PM
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23. well said
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