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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:13 PM
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On Wed., McCain defended his anti-choice stance by saying he wanted states to have that power
because he was a "federalist". But, weren't the state's rights guys who opposed the Federal Government making laws for the country the "anti-federalists"?
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:17 PM
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1. Well, you know how they love to play with the language...
"New Federalism" has been coined as a term for more regional authority, in contrast to more centralized power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Federalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalism_in_the_United_States

In other words, you are correct! :patriot:
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:20 PM
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4. Thanks for the info!
So "new" is the new "anti". X(
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:35 PM
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7. a la "Patriot Act", "Freedom Fighters", etc... ya gotta laugh
because it makes you wanna cry.

:patriot:
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:18 PM
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2. symantics aside, it's a pro-choice position once you peel the onion
Edited on Fri Oct-17-08 04:19 PM by Essene
and im amazed nobody has called him on it.

this was the same dance we've seen republicans like rudy giuliani try to do... and get slammed for it.

IT IS POSSIBLE that in the last 8 years he's truly decided to be anti-choice and wants ultra-conservative judges.

it's not worth the risk and i dont want to find out.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:22 PM
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5. I consider it "pro choice" if each woman has the right to make the choice for herself.
The red states would all ban it and the women in those states would not have that choice.

He said he wants to appoint justices that are anti-Roe.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:18 PM
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3. So does he support a woman's right to terminate her pregnancy if
Edited on Fri Oct-17-08 04:20 PM by no_hypocrisy
a single state "allows" her that right? Does he support that she and her doctor have protected rights of privacy? Does he support that such a woman may be protected against harassment and her doctor be protected against death?

It's a fallacious argument. Like Civil Rights, ALL women have the right to determine whether or not to carry a child to term in EVERY state. You can't treat women like chattel under the Constitution.
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PetrusMonsFormicarum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:24 PM
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6. Only when convenient
Falling back on the old "let the states decide" is a bunch of horseshit. Did they let Florida decide Terry Schiavo's fate? What about marijuana decriminalization efforts?

Here in Oregon, we're fond of putting decisions up to the state's populace. Perhaps the most well-known Oregon initiative is the Death with Dignity law, which allows terminally ill individuals to end their own suffering. Oregonians voted and approved of this measure, TWICE, but Federal arguments continue.

McCheese's adherence to the Repug principle of less government only seems to come out when it's convenient.
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