How You Know They Know They're Losing

[Plaid Adder]

I posted this in one of the "it's already stolen!" threads but I figured I would give it its own post:

This bullshit about ACORN and voter fraud is not primarily, IMHO, about attacking Obama's character or honesty or any of that bullshit. It's about laying the grounds for a challenge to Obama's upcoming electoral victory, for which I now believe most of McCain's supporters are braced.

This is another Rovian tactic: when you lose, never admit it and never accept it. Since they know they're not going to win it, and appear to be concerned that they might not be able to steal it either, they're going to Plan C: challenge the results. Which in a way is good news for us, as it suggests that their internal polling and fraud experts are telling them they're not going to like the outcome.

It's bad news in the sense that if/when Obama wins the actual election, the poison will continue to fester as the hatred and suspicion in the hearts of McCain's last remaining supporters is fanned and fed in order to keep Obama's legitimacy in doubt. So that's gonna be fun.

By the way, please do not reply to this with rants about not becoming "complacent." I just made another donation to Obama's campaign and I encourage others to do the same. But I do think we are starting to see signs that the GOP strategy has shifted from winning on election day to winning *after* election day.

Ah well, it's not the worst problem we could have,

The Plaid Adder

[H2O Man]

1. I think that

yesterday, when the McCain campaign was informed that retired General Colin Powell was prepared to endorse Barack Obama this weekend, McCain knew the game was over. He seemed to be aware it is over last night, at the Alfred Smith Dinner.

[last1standing]

2. This isn't the time to become complacent!!!

Well, someone had to say it. :evilgrin:

But I agree with you 100%. They know where this is going and they want to have an excuse for gridlocking the congress if possible.

[apnu]

3. Ineresting analysis, Plad Adder, reminds me of Bill Clinton.

That same resentment from the Republicans was there on November 5th 1992, and has stayed with us until this day.

[calimary]

23. And they proceeded to do everything they could to hobble him from the moment

he set foot in the Oval Office.

So we have to remain strong, and use the momentum from a win if we're so fortunate - to stiffen the backbones of ALL our Dems. Obama would need a solid phalanx of Democrats at his back on Capitol Hill AND out beyond Washington - so that he can move ahead forcefully on what's needed to heal our battered nation. And no, we DON'T DARE allow ourselves to become complacent. We need to be muscular and formidable FROM HERE ON.

[Bread and Circus]

4. I think it might also provide "cover" for their very real and systematic attempt

to suppress voting rights (purging, etc.) in order to steal the election.

[Overseas]

5. It is either that, to sow the seeds of doubt about the Obama win, OR

sowing seeds of doubt so that when the RNC sends operatives to Democratic polling places on election day in swing states to challenge voter registrations, merely to slow things down and discourage Democratic turnout with lines that are hours long, like they did in Ohio 2004. If they are planning to use that voter suppression technique this time, the ACORN stuff may be done to create the idea that there is really a problem with voter registration fraud when it is really a non-issue, with less than 10 convictions in 5 years.

[monmouth]

10. Remember though, Democratic lawyers will be at those polling places too....n/t

[Overseas]

24. Dems were at some places in Ohio 2004 but Republicans were still

able to make those lines hours and hours long.

[tnlurker]

6. K and R

[knixphan]

7. Of course we can't be complacent...

But I think we should stomp the snake senseless now.

Antibiotics work best when you finish the whole bottle..even after you're feeling better.

Lets DEMORALIZE them completely - it will help Barack get his first term off with a real mandate.

LANDSLIDE or bust-

[krispos42]

8. Reduction in trolls

Right after the RNC convention in St. Paul, there was a BOATLOAD of trolls signing up. You guys didn't see a lot of them; in many cases the names gave them away and they got preemptively nuked. I mean, c'mom... a member name of McCain-Palin08 or obamaisamuslim or troll_account is a giant, waving, burning warning flag, right?

Like we're even let them get to 1 post. Ha!


Then you had the neutral names that maybe made it to a dozen posts, maybe two dozen, before being nuked. Lots of those, too.

Then they just faded away back down to the normal background level as their egos deflated as the real Palin emerged.

I guess they're home practicing saying "President Obama". :rofl:

[Vektor]

18. Hahahahahah!!

:rofl:

troll_account

:rofl:

[Shakespeare]

9. Of COURSE that's what the ACORN bullshit is about.

They tried the same shit in 2004 and 2006, and it's the primary reason behind the DOJ attorney firing scandal. Read TPM--they've been all over this.

[Alter Ego]

11. My worry is how much legal recourse they will have after the results come in.

If it's a solid win, they'll just look like a bunch of whiny vaginas.

Otherwise, though, I'm sure the media will coddle them due to IOKIYAR.

[Pathwalker]

12. It pre-dates Rove. They did it to Clinton, too. I remember all too well

how they insisted that Bill Clinton was "not MY President" all during his first term in office. All you ever saw on CNN was the Republican spokes-mouths of Lynne Cheney, Betsy Hart, Barbara Olsen, Ann Coulter, Kate O'Bierne, etc. insisting that the election was ILLEGITIMATE because Clinton "only had a plurality, not a majority", and therefore they insisted - he was not a legitimate President. They started this crap before the '92 election, and they continued until the '96 election.
This is NOT new. It's their M.O.

[nichomachus]

15. They did it to Kennedy n/t

[MarianJack]

13. Good Points, Adder.

I think they're now focused not on victory, but revenge.

[Hamlette]

14. sort of us but the last two elections were so close we didn't need to scream "stolen" until after it

was...or at least it was in 2000. I know many believe 2004 was as well but I'm not as convinced.

[wildeyed]

16. They are going to talk about it a lot and get their base fired up,

then use it as a wedge to push through restrictive voter ID law. Anyone who has actually worked with ACORN is laughing right now. To find out that they were responsible for the Wall Street crash while simultaneously organizing the overthrow of American democracy was a hoot. I dig them, but they are just not that organized or powerful.

[jasmeel]

17. This makes my head spin- repubs saying the election was

stolen? Watch them do everything we wish our politicans had done.... I believe Obama will be ready to handle it though.

[Pacifist Patriot]

20. Kind of makes the pot and kettle saying seem insufficient doesn't it?

[Pacifist Patriot]

19. I think you're on to something. Which is one of the reasons I think voter turnout...

will be absolutely crucial. Both the exit polls, which people love to hate, and the results in the ballot box must have a substantial margin that cannot be explained away by voter fraud. The Republicans will have to hurl accusations of election fraud and that will be harder to demonstrate if the code becomes the battleground. Especially since I personally believe it has been the Republicans controlling the coding.

[glitch]

21. Agree completely. nt

[Fly by night]

22. I just hope we have another Brooks Brothers riot somewhere this time.

When this one is over, there'll be lots of Brooks Brothers clothing to donate to Goodwill.

There will also be loads of work for dentists who serve those particular Rethugs.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

25. I'm sure the GOP have their people in place to steal it

I hope every voter checks their registration but they won't.
I had hoped our state would have a receipt that we had voted but no.


We had a situation where the officials threw away paper ballots in a Council election.

[Demeter]

26. Fortunately, There Won't Be Enough GOP Congressmen to Do Diddly

And the "grassroots" GOP will be so much mud and dead turf. The hard-liners will be relegated to the dead horse committee, including the anti-flouride crusaders, the flat-earthers, trickle-downers, and the like.