ROLLING STONE: IT'S ALREADY STOLEN

[Phred42]

ROLLING STONE: IT'S ALREADY STOLEN
http://www.gregpalast.com/rolling-stone-its-already-stolen/

Don’t worry about Mickey Mouse or ACORN stealing the election. According to an investigative report out today in Rolling Stone magazine, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Greg Palast, after a year-long investigation, reveal a systematic program of "GOP vote tampering" on a massive scale.

- Republican Secretaries of State of swing-state Colorado have quietly purged one in six names from their voter rolls.

Over several months, the GOP politicos in Colorado stonewalled every attempt by Rolling Stone to get an answer to the massive purge - ten times the average state's rate of removal.

- While Obama dreams of riding to the White House on a wave of new voters, more then 2.7 million have had their registrations REJECTED under new procedures signed into law by George Bush.
Kennedy, a voting rights lawyer, charges this is a resurgence of 'Jim Crow' tactics to wrongly block Black and Hispanic voters.

- A fired US prosecutor levels new charges - accusing leaders of his own party, Republicans, with criminal acts in an attempt to block legal voters as "fraudulent."

[fascisthunter]

1. It's the Only Hope for the Republican Party... STEAL

They never really earn anything honestly.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

60. they stolen before and they will try again

I hope everyone will check with their election board to see if they are still registered?

[Tigress DEM]

67. Every time we think they have gone as low as they can go. Guess what? Sigh.

[deadparrot]

2. Well then, we've lost.

Let's pack it in. Go home. It's over. :eyes:

[rebel with a cause]

41. That is what they want us to do.

Our job is to get out there and vote. Get all the votes we can, and then leave it to the Barack and the democrats to fight for what is ours. I do not think Barack and those working with him will take this again. I think they are letting us know what may happen so we will be angry when and if it does and ready to stand with them in that fight. We will not accept this again, twice is too much. Make your voice heard, vote and shout out to the media that this has been done and if they stand by and do nothing they are as bad as the thieves themselves.

[deadparrot]

50. I know. To clarify, that was sarcasm.

I'm just tired of the people who come in here day after day and are nothing but doom and gloom about the election and the possibility of fraud.

[rebel with a cause]

58. the sarcasm button is your friend.; )

I kind of thought you were being sarcastic but was not sure of it.

As for the gloom and doom people, I learned in social services that you always hope for the best and prepare for the worse. That means that almost everything you say is positive with only a few 'if this should happen then we' statements. In the situation where we are really out of the loop, I see no good of always rehatching the negative before it happens. Some of us are too much on the edge to have others pushing us over it. Huh? :eyes:

[deadparrot]

59. Well, I thought the :eyes: emoticon would speak for itself.

But anyway, I digress. :)

Believe me, I'm hardly an optimist--as much as I'd like to believe that "it's over," I won't be happy until it's called thus on November 4th or 5th. Then again, the people who show up saying things like "It's already stolen." are just as bad. That's not caution, that's defeatism and it serves absolutely no practical purpose other than to discourage people.

[rebel with a cause]

63. I know what you mean, I rely on the winking smily a lot and

people don't always understand the wink means it is a joke.

And I agree with everything you said about this thing. Sorry if I did not make that clear in my last post.

[Tigress DEM]

68. Nope. But it's battlining on multiple fronts - AGAIN. And a fight to the finish and beyond.

[Tigress DEM]

69. Nope. But it's battlining on multiple fronts - AGAIN. And a fight to the finish and beyond.

[Bozita]

3. Wishing I could RECOMMEND more than once

[HughBeaumont]

4. Republicans don't WANT it.

They'd only worsen this mess to the point of insolvency and they know it. Like they really need to be blamed for this along with tons of other things they and their cronies did wrong?

Plus if they stole it . . . sorry, it'd be beyond obvious at this point. You don't go in with a 8-10 point lead and lose in the last 24 hours. The margin was too close last time. Not this time. America would be shut down from revolt.

[renie408]

5. Ok, so now what? I don't want those fuckers stealing another election.

What do we DO? There has to be something that we can do.

[SoonerPride]

7. March on Washington

Sit in and take over the government peacefully.

[Gregorian]

14. Put fires under state Reps and Congress. Bring in the attorneys.

This is all we should be talking about on this forum. Getting the wheels turning. Although most likely the states have the lawsuits in progress. But we don't know that.

Thank goodness for Greg Palast. I donated a wad of cash to him yesterday. That's also what people can do.

Just imagine having to see that stinking Palin face every day. Let alone hearing her. Nukular! Oh dear god, NOOOOO!

[stolivodka]

17. Yeah, didn't Kerry say something like that in 2004?

Oh, then he conceded before all the votes were counted and kept all the money. "Shucks! Better luck next time!!", we all said.

[Gregorian]

29. Kenneth Blackwell didn't help matters.

There's that partisan thing we have to deal with when it comes to justice. But we have to at least try.

[Deep13]

53. We fired him. nt

[Gregorian]

57. And the Supreme Court just ruled in our favor!

Good times.

[karynnj]

30. The gap was too big in Ohio

There were not enough provisional ballots to come close to making the difference - Kerry said in his concession speech that the votes would be counted - and they were. When they were, the Democratic lawyers were right there were still too few. They did investigate and they did join suits - but there is STILL no proof that would have over turned it.

[blm]

37. That's untrue. The AUTOMATIC recount was triggered but by Ohio rules that Dem party there

had no muscle to change in the four years after 2000s theft, so Ohio rules had a PERCENTAGE of the vote standard, and in districts chosen by.....Blackwell.

Kerry conceded the next day AFTER the math had no chance of changing thanks to McAuliffe's pisspoor stewardship of the DNC for four years and after Carville sabotaged Ohio Dem provisional ballot voters on election night.

Kerry's was the second slowest concession on record, and THE SLOWEST if you count Gore's concession on election night when he believed Bush was 50,000 votes ahead. Gore UNCONCEDED when the math changed, which is exactly what Kerry would have done.

[politicasista]

47. **crickets**

People still find ways to blame only Kerry for never doing anything enough.

[renie408]

36. I live in SC, but have a Dem rep. I will send John Spratt a letter right now. And I will

keep sending them every damn day. I will also fire up my NC friends to write to their reps and Senators.

[elocs]

34. "Stealing"? But Rollingstone says it's already stolen.

Those omnipotent, all powerful and unstoppable Republicans have again thwarted the feckless and feeble Democrats. If we allow them to routinely do this every 4 years, what really is the point of having presidential elections?

[elocs]

6. I'm looking forward to seeing this reposted and reposted today, over and over.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x393966

Yes, it's the inspiring and motivating story of the day. The headline shouts: "it's already stolen" so why try?

[Overseas]

23. I do not want it to discourage voters. Rather have Steal Back Your Vote dot com

posted over and over. The site Greg Palast and RFK Jr put up to help people confront the tactics Republicans have been using.

I don't want people to shrug and give up because hey, it is already stolen.

I just want them to be patient if and when the Republican media and conservative Democrats are pushing for some kind of concession.

We need to have an avalanche, rather than a landslide, to overcome the stealing.

[elocs]

28. I think our best way to have a landslide is to inspire and motivate people, not demoralize them.

So we go from constantly hearing that the Republicans are going to steal the election (like they did in 2000 and 2004) to hearing that it is already stolen. THAT does not inspire and motivate people.

[knixphan]

32. yes, yes, yes and YES.

We need to concentrate on *overwhelming numbers.

[loyalsister]

38. It is the new constituency that gives up

I am talking about the voters that Obama has reached out to and courted so successfully.

It is the young voters like my sister and cynics, who will say "Why vote?" :shrug: if the message is that it is already stolen.
Young voters are naive and cynics are suspicious.
Both less inclined to confront a system with their time and effort if voting is significantly or even slightly inconvenient when hope is turned to dust.

I agree that it would be wise to find a way to not lose that enthusiastic support. In my area, some stopped voulunteering because of the first revelation.

[Pacifist Patriot]

45. I tend to interpret it as "it's already stolen," so get your butts to the polls...

so the turnout by party and the exit polls make fraudulent results look astronomically improbable.

[azmouse]

8. I don't think they'll be able to steal this one.

I'm not saying they won't try but the numbers are all on Obama's side and have been for the past month.

[Connie_Corleone]

9. Are we trying to lose again?

I mean the headline fucking sucks. Just like Obama said, snatching Defeat from the jaws of victory. (That's the Democratic Party's mantra)

We're trying to get a landslide here so they CAN'T steal it!!

Vote in overwhelming numbers to overcome the republican tactics.

[Plaid Adder]

10. It is not already stolen.

The fact that voter suppression is in progress does not mean that the outcome is already determined. It just means that combating these tactics is yet another thing we have to deal with in order to win.

Obviously the Republicans are preparing for a contested election; that's what this ACORN bullshit is about. They are preparing the ground for challenging Obama's eventual victory on the grounds that there was vote fraud. But that alone suggests that they do not see the outcome as predetermined in their favor, so I don't see why we should make that assumption.

The Plaid Adder

[Magleetis]

11. The repugs

have had eight years to rig the vote. I fear the worst. Flame away if you must.

[elkston]

12. Honestly, I'm tired of all these "stolen election" posts

I mean, people are going crazy but in the end, what can we really do about it?

Just everyone you KNOW is registered to go vote. That's all we can do.

[faithfulcitizen]

71. me too. it demoralizes.

[Marsala]

13. Yay! More fodder for our collective persecution complex!

Plus we no longer have any reason to go out and vote! This is all such a huge relief. Now that the election is already stolen, we can stop working hard and start whining again... not that we ever stopped whining.

[Gregorian]

18. He should have said "stealing", not stolen.

They are stealing it. But they aren't going to win.

However, just the thought of having to watch Palin say nukular for four years is terrifying. Haha.

Now we know why Obama is going so forcefully ahead into the red states.

[CitizenPatriot]

15. I'll tell you what the Obama camp said to me

when I asked about this months ago.

We work harder. We register more voters. We GOTV. Because you know they're going to steal a certain number of votes. But they can't steal them all.

the tide is turning -- there are lawyers watching this stuff and whistle blowers and people saving their own ass from the illegal activities they've been involved with during their tenure as GOP kriminals.

yes, they suck. yes, they are kriminals.

We must win this election. Work you fucking asses off, people. WORK like you've never worked before.

This is kind of the last shot -- the entire govt has been derailed, no DoJ, everything is politicized.

Work for your kids, our kids, your grandchildren, yourselves, the world.

WORK. and like a good athlete, don't take you eye off the ball. Never look at the distractions. This is a distraction. It is true, but we can't do anything about it other than write LTTE, etc. so don't take you eyes off the ball. The Obama camp knows all about this and they are doing EVERYTHING they can to address it. Look at the victories we are having for justice this year! SCOTUS just told pukes to fuck off and stop trying to disenfranchise voters.



YES WE CAN

[stolivodka]

21. So, um, if the Obama camp openly acknoledges that the Repukes have overthrown our Democracy..

..will they call for revolution if/when another election is stolen? Just asking, because I was under the impression that the official line is still "Only conspiracy theorists believe Bush didn't win fair and square in 2000/2004."

[CitizenPatriot]

40. who are you quoting?

who thinks this?

Just because they don't want this bit of demoralizing info to be the talking points of their campaign doesn't mean it isn't known.

Seriously -- where did you hear this?

The SCOTUS ruling re Florida sort of knocks this idea right out of the park and that was a fact. I can't imagine who would have said this that you are quoting.

[YvonneCa]

24. EXACTLY. Please make this a post...

...all by itself. You articulated clearly what we MUST do, and why. More DUers need to see it. :)

[CitizenPatriot]

42. I did so -- check it out

edited for my own negativity re my post and the way it was being taken by some posters...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7493423&mesg_id=7493423

[YvonneCa]

49. I'm so glad you did that. We HAVE to stay positive...

...motivated and hopeful. Your re-post will help more of us to do that. Thank you! :)

[CitizenPatriot]

51. thanks...I needed the encouragement! nt

[politicasista]

48. Good advice n/t

[Arugula Latte]

61. What I wonder is why doesn't Obama come out and say: "Why are the Republicans purging votes?

Make an issue of it, the way Republicans make an issue out of the (fake) Acorn story.

I can't understand the silence from our elected Democratic leaders. Why won't they scream about this? They never seem to.

[CitizenPatriot]

62. psst. check out the breaking news! that's our guy!!!!!!!!!! nt

[Arugula Latte]

64. OMG. He read my mind. He IS the Messiah!

:D

[Joanne98]

16. Why do our Dem leaders ignore this? WHY?

[Bullet1987]

19. I'm wondering what Palast and Kennedy will say if they're wrong?

[Overseas]

20. EMERGENCY INFO -- Steal Back Your Vote dot com

A site put up by Greg and RFK Jr. to do our best to counteract the same election manipulation done by Republicans in 2002, 2004 and 2006.

For a calm, comprehensive overview to get up to speed on Republican methods of vote stealing in the past elections, some historical comparisons, and great charts of probabilities and midnight changes in the vote counting: Stealing America: Vote by Vote. www.stealingamericathemovie.com

[1Hippiechick]

27. Please post this on the DU Activist Corp discussion forum!

[ProSense]

22. It's not "already stolen,"

and Dems are not ignoring it.

[ellacott]

33. I agree. Palast was irresponsible with the title of the article

I understand that he wants us to steal back our vote but his title is pretty cryptic and may cause some to just give up. We don't need anything to slow down the momemtum and enthusiasm going into this election.

[1Hippiechick]

25. Why do you think people have been advocating that we have to win by a large margin?

It can't be questionable.

[quantass]

26. I wish the Obama / DNC would be more active in making this KNOWN

[Turn CO Blue]

31. Anybody who thinks it's "already stolen" hasn't seen the GOTV plan

Once you see the plan, understand the plan, have been awed, humbled and delighted by the sheer SCOPE of the plan - you'll know that the Campaign for Change is 10 times smarter than the GOP and that those thugs will never be able to steal this one.

[jillan]

35. This is why it is so important that we all GOTV.

We have to vote by such large numbers that even if the repugs try and steal it, Obama will still win.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

54. Washington Staters...check HERE.

http://www.kingcounty.gov/Elections/Registration.aspx

We need a separate thread on this. Keep it on the homepage.

[Chovexani]

39. Republicans have been engaging in voter suppression for decades, it is not news

And you know something? I'm going to go ahead and say that no one would be talking about it if they hadn't also tried to disenfranchise middle class, elderly white people in 2000. No one talked about it during the years and years when it was people of color that were the sole targets. No one except PoC, of course, who were roundly ignored.

2000 was no different than any other election in this country, but for that one fact, which meant that they got caught for once, and also because it was close enough for their voter suppression tactics to actually have an impact on the results. That is all. If you think any of this shit started with Bush vs. Gore, well, I feel sorry for you.

All this panicky "omg they're gonna steal it" bullshit is counterproductive, is what it boils down to. We keep an eye on them, report fraud when we see it, try to block Diebold and the like from getting into our states the best way we can, and work like hell to GOTV so that the fraud's impact is minimal at best.

[stopbush]

43. Greg Palast is turning into a Chicken Little on this subject.

I look forward to reading his thoughts on 11/5 after Obama wins in an undisputable landslide.

[foo_bar]

55. "Here's how the 2006 mid-term election was stolen."

We've found that November 7, 2006 is a day that will live in infamy.

Note the past tense. And I'm not kidding.

http://www.gregpalast.com/how-they-stole-the-mid-term-election/ (November 6, 2006)

I guess that's more like crying wolf, although the substance of the article was correct if you don't count the headline and lead-in.

[bagimin]

66. Really....

why doesn't he work behind the scene with the Obama campaign or Howard Dean?

[progressivebydesign]

44. Learn from my mistake. Everyone, make sure EVERYONE you know checks their registration online.

I found out the hard way that we had been rendered "inactive" because of a botched address change. I was able to somehow get our status back to ACTIVE, but it wasn't a slam dunk. Had I waited another day to check my status, I would not have been able to vote.

There are tools all over that allow you to check your status. Encourage EVERYONE to check their status today... make sure that they're legit. That's the only thing we can do. All the attention on Air America about stealbackyourvote, was what got me checking on my registration.

That's what we can do right now.

[LSK]

46. Dont need Colorado

Only need VA or NC or OH or FL.

[ericgtr]

52. Well then I guess Obama should just quit now

:eyes:

[steve2470]

56. with all due respect, the headline SUCKS

Talk about discouraging !

[pleah]

65. I have said this from the beginning, that the only way McCrazy can

win this election is to steal it!

[MarjorieG]

70. My issue for years, and although result won't be as voted, we will win.

We've done enough, I think, to get this done, but we must have everyone check for their registration. See if there is any restitution that can be made if the registration has been purged. Raise holy hell.

What we DON'T do is sit this out, not vote, not GOTV, and be defeatist!!!

[althecat]

72. kick

:kick: