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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:20 PM
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Careful with the "Joe the Plumber" / Keating 5 links...
The only person to claim certainty so far is a known hoaxer....

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This brings me to what is perhaps the oddest convergence of all in this. My research partner and I were among the first people on this and before even our regular readers had seen our posts we were seeing links in from Martin Eisenstadt. He is a strange character, and I mean character literally. He was involved in a recent hoax involving a faked video of an interview from Iraqi television which fooled some in the mainstream media featuring him promoting an idea for building casinos in the green zone in Iraq. There is also a YouTube Channel featuring the same person doing other related satires. “Eisenstadt” posted a supposed quote on his blog from Rick Davis chastising staffers for the connection between Joe the Plumber and the Keating Five. I must admit that initially I saw this quote out of the context of the original blog and although it seemed unlikely Davis would say it, at first I didn’t know how to integrate it into the whole narrative. When I realized where it originated things started to make more sense, slightly.

Many things about this aren’t adding up and the proximity of a known hoaxer has me even more perplexed. I’m sure that people are looking into the Keating connection as we speak but check out this “Martin Eisenstadt” and see if you think you recognize any of his tricks in the Joe Wurzelbacher situation. I don’t want to draw too many outlandish conclusions in one night but I am comparing the video tapes closely.

The real problem with Joe the Plumber, even if he’s not some kind of republican plant or hoaxer, is that he’s a caricature. The situation he sketched out to Obama doesn’t even accurately reflect his own reality let alone that of typical small business owners. As Obama pointed out 98% of small business owners make under $250,000 a year. If it had been accurate it would still not be representative. Further more there is no reason to believe that Joe the Plumber has any special insight or understanding into the truth of the matter when if comes to tax policy or any other policy. At best he’s a snapshot of what that one person chose to project at that moment and it has gotten out of hand. At worst it’s an attempt by republicans to either create or shamelessly capitalize on what is really a meaningless moment. How much a fiction Joe the Plumber is almost doesn’t matter because no matter how you slice it, that’s what he still is…fiction.

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http://citizenworm.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/clearing-some-smoke-corrections-etc/



May turn out to be true, may not...
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:23 PM
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1. K & R
NT
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:23 PM
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2. Why is he so concerned about "additional" taxes, when he doesn't even pay the ones he's got?
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:23 PM
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3. cool thanks... though now it seems like he's a tax cheat. :)
www.dailykos.com

But does Joe really need to worry? Because if he's the same Joe that ABC News identified as Sam Joe Wurzelbacher, also of Toledo, Ohio, he doesn't always bother to pay his taxes.

LUCAS COUNTY COURT OF COMMON PLEAS
J. BERNIE QUILTER, CLERK
700 ADAMS STREET
TOLEDO, OHIO

MONETARY AMOUNT: $1,182.98

DEPT OF TAXATION STATE OF OHIO

Defendant 1:
WURZELBACHER SAMUEL J
30 DERBYSHIRE RD
TOLEDO, OH 43615

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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:24 PM
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5. What year is that for? Is he on a payment plan?
If he's on a payment plan, the state may have filed a lien until the payment plan is satisfied.
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MSU_Spartans Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:24 PM
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4. If There's Anything to This, it's Through Robert Wurzelbacher
We need to figure out HIS relation to "Joe". This is where the story is. Joe the Plumber sounds a lot like Jeff Gannon right now
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:24 PM
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6. Yes, we have a lot of desperate information ... it needs to be verified before we "go nuts."
Understood. Take is slowly and verify the data. :patriot:
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:27 PM
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7. Yep. What's important to remember about Keating is.....
.... he has known ties to John Mccain.
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Stagecoach Donating Member (468 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:30 PM
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8. Instead of looking for conspiracies
We need to use Joe the Plumber to Obama's advantage. As the fact checking has pointed out, Joe the Plumber would be better off under Obama's tax plan.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:33 PM
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9. I'm sure that's the way the campaign will play it....
Revealing that the new "Average Joe" media darling is a wife beater/tax cheat/Republican has a very limited up side.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:34 PM
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10. Thank You, Sir: Any Actual Relation Is Extremely Unlikely
The facts that this fellow is a mope, a liar who has no serious plan or capacity to buy a business, has failed to pay his state taxes, and is on record as believing Sen. Obama will take the country 'down the socialist road', are sufficient on their own to discredit the wretch utterly.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:44 PM
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11. kick
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