**** The official “WHO IS JOE THE PLUMBER?” thread ****

[IsItJustMe]

1) He may very well be relating to Charles Keating http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/
http://citizenworm.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/a-keating-connection-to-joe-the-plumber/
DU Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7474700&mesg_id=7474700

His house is values at $122,500
http://www.zillow.com/homes/map/355-SHREWSBURY-ST-,-HOL... /
DU Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7478600

Joe is not his first name and he is a registered Republican
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Joes_registration.html?showall
DU Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7477560
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7477515

Joe does not like to pay his taxes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7477732&mesg_id=7477732

Joe has a possible brother in.. WASILLA, ALASKA!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Joe the Plumber admits he would pay less tax under Obama
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Vote2008/story?id=6047360&pag...

Joe may have lived in Arizona
http://apps.co.lucas.oh.us/onlinedockets/DocketDR.aspx?...

Joe may very well be a Republican plant (Set up job)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7479088&mesg_id=7479088

Joe the Plumber is a genuine wack job
DU Link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7477158
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7477477
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7477260


It seems to me that the Republicans could have chosen a better poster child in an effort to bolster John McCain’s come back hope. I will also make the observation that this whole thing has a WAG THE DOG feel to it.

Feel free to post your own JOE THE PLUMBER facts, links and trivia. I have a good nose for bull shit and man my bull shit detector is off the dial right now with this guy.

[NYC_SKP]

1. Good DUers will post their Joe Plumber thoughts in this thread, please.

And not clutter up the board with repetitive endless new posts.

Jeeze, lately it's been pretty crazy, does anyone check for previous posts anymore?

I always sort comments by time posted and then check TWO pages to make sure I'm not about to repeat.

Thank you for this thread, Recommended. :patriot:

[bunnies]

2. +1

I cant stand it. I've hidden 20+ threads already and they come up just as fast as I can hide them. 3 or 4 on the Keating relationship alone. ENOUGH!

:hi:

[NYC_SKP]

22. Back at ya, bunnies!

:hi:

and

:kick:

[Barack_America]

3. He's a tax dodger...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7477732&mesg_id=7477732

Good idea to accumulate this all under one thread.

[IsItJustMe]

4. Thanks, I will try to add this to my OP.

[progressivebydesign]

5. He has a possible brother in.. WASILLA, ALASKA!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7479352

the guy is a competitive dog sledder. You can bet he knows the Palins.

[WallStreetNobody]

6. Now admits he would make much less than $250k, instead the business costs $250k to buy

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Vote2008/story?id=6047360&page=1

This guy would pay less taxes under Obama, but as a freeper would rather pay more taxes to McCain.

[whoneedstickets]

38. Is it a coincidence that the Watergate break in crew was called....The Plumbers?!

This metaphor has deep GOP roots.

[Sweet Freedom]

7. May have lived in Arizona

http://apps.co.lucas.oh.us/onlinedockets/DocketDR.aspx?STYPE=1&PAR=DR19970476&STARTDATE=01/01/1900&ENDDATE=01/01/2100&PARTY=D,1

[Wetzelbill]

8. Joe the Plumber looks like Vic Mackey from The Shield nt

[Ikonoklast]

9. 'Joe' must not know about 'The Google'

Amazing how someone can actually think that they can spew nonsense and not get called on it.

This guy will be toast by this time tomorrow.

[Catherine Vincent]

10. As I said on another board...

McCain used "Joe the Plumber" as a "Hail Mary" but instead got a "Fail Mary".

[Teaser]

11. Why are we fixating on this?

SRSLY?

[IsItJustMe]

15. It is obvious that McCain was the one last night who was obsessed with Joe the Plumber. Now I ask

you the question. Why? Now you see Joe the Plumber all over the news networks. Why and to what end? Is this all a coincidence?

I DON'T THINK SO. Lot's of other folks don't think so either.

[Teaser]

34. Of course it's not a coincidence. They're talking about it because

everyone is talking about it.

Which brings us back to the initial question.

[PatSeg]

12. Great idea!

Thanks for doing this.

[IsItJustMe]

14. It seemed like mass caos around here. After about 45 minutes of reading about Joe, thought it would

be nice for a one stop shop kind of thing.

[PatSeg]

25. Guess its part of our culture

though I must say, I find the fascination with such people and events rather peculiar. It clearly is a distraction and probably an intentional one on McCain's part. He just jumped from Ayers to the plumber dude.

[IsItJustMe]

40. Yep, and we all get caught up in it so eaisily, including myself.

[PatSeg]

41. Yeah, me too

though not as much as some people. I reach my threshold for CRAP rather quickly. Joe the Plumber can't hold my attention very long, as much as I'm enjoying all these revelations.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

13. He's Chuggo.

[debatepro]

16. He thinks Social Security is a joke and hates it.

TPM: It turns out Joe the "Plumber" is like the perfect McCain supporter. He says Social Security is a joke and he "hates" it.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/237630.php

[Stagecoach]

21. There may come a day

he'll be glad he has Social Security. Although he looks like the kind of person who'll never admit to it.

[nomaco-10]

17. "joe the plumber" is nothing more than a typical RW,...

"so called undecided" MORAN that wants 15 minutes of fame and a chance to advance the agenda of john mccain or the mcsame campaign would not have used him as a gimmicky, mavericky kind of voter last night over and over again. I guarantee he is a xenophobic, homophobic, jingoistic, murika kicks ass and is the best country in the whole damn world, stereotypical, small town usa "family values" kind of voter.

He was not impressive to me from the day he crashed Obama's neighborhood walk around, til his debut in the debate. I guarantee his neighbors could expose him as the neighborhood bully, but the msm won't give a damn. I also venture to guess his long suffering wife, if she stayed with him this long, could shed a whole lot of light on this arrogant, angry, skinhead wannabe.

We'll see.

[debatepro]

18. He could be purged due to republican efforts because of mis-spellings of his name.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Purging_Joe_the_plumber.html

The Toledo Blade reported today that "Joe the Plumber's" name appears on Ohio voter registration rolls with a slight misspelling -- as Worzelbacher, not Wurzelbacher.

And that sort of data-entry error might be enough -- were Joe a new registrant -- to have him disqualified from voting in Ohio, Florida, or Wisconsin this year, depending on the outcome of ongoing litigation.
...

And he produced cases in which typos similar to the one affecting Wurzelbacher have knocked citizens off the rolls.

For instance, Florida officials in 2006 removed the name of Jose Lopez-Sandin, after officials typed his name in as "Joseph Lopez-Sandin." They also removed the name of Anne Nguyen after election officials typed her name as "Ann Nguyen."

"Because he’s the famous 'Joe the Plumber' it seems like an obvious typo, but this is the sort of error that will keep people from voting," Waldman said.

[yellowcanine]

19. By his own admission he is not a licensed plumber. So technically at best he is a plumber's helper.

You can't call yourself a plumber without proper bona fides.

[Virginia Dare]

20. Some random clueless idiot....

held up as the poster boy for conservative republican values.

[CindyKay]

23. Mine Too

Joe the Plumber: Republican Plant and Relative of Charles Keating?
Posted by sweatpantsmom


If you watched the third and final presidential debate last night you know that there were many mentions of "Joe the Plumber." Joe is actually Joe Wurzelbacher, an 'everyman' who appeared out of a crowd at an Obama campaign appearance and asked the senator about his economic plan. Joe says his American Dream is being able to provide for his family and send his son to college. But some are saying that Joe isn't who he appears to be.

Here's the buzz from the internet:

Wurzelbacher, who says he was playing football outside with his son when he came upon the crowd gathered around Obama, was planted by the Republican party. This would explain how conservative sites got stories posted about him in advance of the debate and how easily everyone else found him for interviews.
Wurzelbacher is not a registered voter.
Wurzelbacher may not be licensed in his home state of Ohio.
Wurzelbacher may be related to Robert Wurzelbacher of Cincinnati, Ohio, who happens to be Charles Keating's son-in-law. Keating was implicated in the Keating 5 scandal.
Wurzelbacher already owns a few companies, which would contradict his claims of being a plumber looking to buy a small business.
(One thing that is on the record: Wurzelbacher compared Obama to Sammy Davis Jr. in an interview with Katie Couric. Ouch.)

So is any of this true? I'm not sure, but some things are suspicious. For instance, how was it that a newspaper was present when Joe was watching the debates (they took the picture above) if Joe didn't know his name would be mentioned?

I'm sure the National Enquirer is already hot on Wurzelbacher's trail, so expect to hear more on Joe the Plumber soon. In the meantime, I'd like to get Joe's number - my bathroom faucet is leaking.

[IsItJustMe]

27. Joe the Plumber said he could not do interviews yesterday because he was dirty from work. Has the

msm already been following this guy around to seek his wisdom? This is strange as hell. Something don't smell right about all of this.

[bluethruandthru]

29. I think he was a plant.

Look what he said in his interview with ABC News:

When asked whether the McCain campaign had told him he would be a prominent part of the debate and whether McCain's people had approached him before he met Obama, Wurzelbacher was unclear.

"Oh no. No one's contacted me as far as being on the debate or as far as my name being used," Wurzelbacher said. "I have been contacted by them and asked to show up at a rally, but other than that, I just happened to be there and Barack Obama showed up."


He was contacted by the McCain campaign and asked to show up at a rally...but other than that he just happened to be there when Obama showed up????? WHAT? Am I reading that right? Did McCain ask him to "show up" where Obama was going to be?+

[IsItJustMe]

35. I heard him say that and I am not sure what he meant by it. I was thinking that McCain wanted him

to show up at a McCain rally; but then again, I can see where you are coming from. It could have been interpreted either way. I would like to know of his pre-arranged ties with the McCain campaign.

[TornadoTN]

24. I want to know about his income and this business he is supposedly trying to purchase

That's going to tell the story of this whole charade.

[Turn CO Blue]

26. And for clarity's sake, we have to call him

Joe/Samuel like with did with Gannon/Guckert

Perhaps it's "Joe the Plant" since he's not actually a plumber and hasn't bought this imaginary business.

Or perhaps "Samuel the Fake & Unlicensed". That last one is STFU for short.

[Every Man A King]

28. Not a Plumber

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/16/joe_the_plumber_not_a_licensed.html?tid=informbox

[steve2470]

30. JTP holds a news conference ! omfg

'Joe the Plumber' meets the press

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-campaign17-2008oct17,0,373757.story

After the presidential candidates mentioned him more than two dozen times in their debate Wednesday night, Joe Wurzelbacher, better known as "Joe the Plumber," today enjoyed his 15 minutes of fame by holding a televised news conference outside his home in Holland, Ohio.

And Republicans kept up the drumbeat when Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the party's candidate for vice president, said at a campaign stop in Maine that her ticket would help Wurzelbacher more.

Wurzelbacher this morning remained cool to questions about whom he would support.

"I'm not telling anybody anything" about voting, he said. "It's a private booth. I want the American people to vote for who they want to vote for. I just want them to be informed."

"I'm a flash in the pan, not a megastar," Wurzelbacher told reporters today. "I'm not Matt Damon. I'm not any of those guys who have droves of women and men who want to be them or will vote for them because Matt Damon said so. I love his movies but I don't have that kind of power."

more at link above

[IsItJustMe]

31. Joe is a Republican tool. He said that rich folk should not be taxed more and that Obama's plan is

socialism.

Any doubt in your mind what-so-ever of who this guy is voting for? It could not be any more obvious.

[ChiciB1]

32. JTP Information Just Hit My Comcast NEWS Page!! It's OUT There NOW!

IF Comcast is reporting about the "real" JTP, this guy better run very fast to his house, lock the doors, put chains up and HIDE!!

He may not be a SUPER-STAR for very long... maybe we could call him Joe Schmoe, The LIAR!!!

McCain/Palin, there's not ONE complete brain between the TWO of them!!!

[MSU_Spartans]

37. Joe Gannon, or is it Jeff the Plumber

I get those two mixed up

[ChiciB1]

39. For Comcast, It's Joe The Plumber Right Now... But Jeff Could Stick

some velcro to his butt with him!!!

[Turn CO Blue]

33. Joe/Samuel is a friggin Bidness Man. He owns a few.

A construction company, a painting company, a septic tank repair company (ewwww), and AN INVESTMENT COMPANY. He's a friggin investor - part of the investor class.

These businesses are all registered to that address and that name.

I guess he ain't no "regular Joe" after all, which kind of spoils the narrative for the McCain campaign.

From DailyKos
<http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/16/02217/845>

First, he seems to own a few companies:
#1:

Joseph Wurzelbacher (Joseph Wurzelbacher Cnstr Co)
12172 Stone Mill Rd, Cincinnati, OH 45251-4134

#2:

JCC INVESTMENTS INC in the Investors, N.E.C. industry in CINCINNATI, OH. This company currently has approximately 1 to 5 employees and annual sales of Under $500,000.
Location Information Edit
12172 STONE MILL RD
CINCINNATI, OH 45251

#3:

Wurzelbacher Painting
12148 Stone Mill Rd, Cincinnati, OH 45251-4134 (Map)

#4:

Wurzelbacher Brothers
[phone]
11260 Colerain Avenue,
Cincinnati, OH 45252
Specialties:
REPAIR OF SEPTIC TANKS
Phone: [phone]

[slackmaster]

36. He paid $126,500 for his house on 6/14/2005

The assessor thinks it's worth $117,114.

Last year's property tax was $2,074.56. He is current on that.

His current loan is an FHA fixed-rate for $127,281.

[Every Man A King]

42. ah so he wants Mccain to buy his house back for $127k nt

[Barack_America]

43. I think "Joe the Plumber's" garage door is made of plywood.

Nothing wrong with that, but a little unusual for a man with the ability to buy a business that nets over $250,000 a year.

[IsItJustMe]

48. I think some would call it a pipe dream, no pun intended.

[nannycee]

44. Joe Lived in AK?

http://webofdeception.com/joetheplumber.html

Name: SAMUEL JOSEPH WURZELBACHER
Date of Birth: 12/3/1973



Addresses:
355 SHREWSBURY ST, HOLLAND OH 43528-9520
30 DERBYSHIRE RD, TOLEDO OH 43615-5515
5956 WALNUT CIR APT APT-I, TOLEDO OH 43615-6601
5768 STEFFENS AVE, TOLEDO OH 43623-1633
1960 W KEATING AVE APT 150, MESA AZ 85202-7011
1960-A W KEATING AVE APT 592, MESA AZ 85202-7077
7195 W ODESSY WAY, TUCSON AZ 85743
1214 CEDAR AVE UNIT B, GRAND FORKS AFB ND 58204-4033
GENERAL DELIVERY, GRAND FORKS ND 58201-9999
3397 DELWOOD ST, NORTH POLE AK 99705
736 OUIDA WAY APT A, NORTH POLE AK 99705-7684
6620 BRINT RD, SYLVANIA OH 43560-3122
7950 E STELLA RD APT 13K, TUCSON AZ 85730-1947





Liens and Judgments:
Filing Number: CVF0705807
Filing Type: CIVIL NEW FILING
Location: LUCAS COUNTY MUNICIPAL COURT
State: OH
Original Filing Date: 3/27/2007
Amount: $1,261
Debtor Name: SAMUEL WURZELBACHER
Debtor SSN: xxx-xx-xxxx
Debtor Address: 355 SHREWSBURY ST, HOLLAND OH 43528-9520
Creditor: ST CHARLES MERCY HOSPITAL





Filing Number: LN0200701803
Filing Type: STATE TAX LIEN
Book/Page: 460/303
Location: LUCAS COUNTY COMMON PLEAS
State: OH
Original Filing Date: 1/26/2007
Amount: $1,182
Debtor Name: SAMUEL J WURZELBACHER
Debtor SSN: xxx-xx-xxxx
Debtor Address: 30 DERBYSHIRE RD, TOLEDO OH 43615-5515
Creditor: STATE OF OHIO





Filing Number: CV0003328FD
Filing Type: CIVIL DISMISSAL
Location: SOUTH MESA JUSTICE COURT
State: AZ
Original Filing Date: 11/15/2000
Debtor Name: SAMUEL WURZELBACHER
Debtor SSN: xxx-xx-xxxx
Debtor Address: 1960 W KEATING AVE APT 150, MESA AZ 85202-7011
Creditor: WXI MCN ACCO REAL ESTATE LTD





Filing Number: CV0003237RB
Filing Type: CIVIL DISMISSAL
Location: SOUTH MESA JUSTICE COURT
State: AZ
Original Filing Date: 11/9/2000
Release Date: 1/18/2001
Debtor Name: SAMUEL WURZELBACHER
Debtor SSN: xxx-xx-xxxx
Debtor Address: 1960 W KEATING AVE APT 150, MESA AZ 85202-7011
Creditor: MONTGOMERY WARD CREDIT CORP





Note: No voter's registration or political contributions under either
of Mr. Wurzelbacher's names





Property:
Parcel Number - 65-62411
Name Owner : WURZELBACHER, SAMUEL
Property Address: - 355 SHREWSBURY ST, HOLLAND OH 43528-9520, LUCAS COUNTY
Owner Address: 355 SHREWSBURY ST, HOLLAND OH 43528-9520, LUCAS COUNTY
Sale Date - 08/06/2008
Name of Seller : WURZELBACHER KIMBERLY M
Loan Amount - $127,281
Loan Type - FEDERAL HOUSING AUTHORITY






Property:
Parcel Number - 65-62411
Name Owner : WURZELBACHER SAMUEL J
Name Owner 2: WURZELBACHER KIMBERLY M
Property Address: - 355 SHREWSBURY ST, HOLLAND OH 43528-9520, LUCAS COUNTY
Owner Address: 355 SHREWSBURY ST, HOLLAND OH 43528-9520, LUCAS COUNTY
Total Market Value - $117,114
Assessed Value - $40,990
Land Value - $20,800
Improvement Value - $96,314
Land Size - 7,772 Square Feet
Year Built - 1965
Name of Seller : QUINTO WALTER A & BONNIE J
Loan Amount - $113,850
Loan Type - CONVENTIONAL
Lender Name - COUNTRYWIDE HM LNS INC



Offender information
Name: WURZELBACHER, SAMUEL
Address: AK
Case Number: 4FA-93-T709107
Case Filing Date: 8/12/1993
Case Type: Minor Offense
DOB: 12/1973
SSN: xxx-xx-xxxx
Sex: Unknown

Offenses
Case Number: 4FA-93-T709107
Court Description: Fourth District - Fairbanks
Court Case Number: 4FA-93-T709107
Court Statute: SPEEDING 74/55
Court Disposition Date: 8/16/1993




Offender information
Name: WURZELBACHER, SAMUEL
Address: AK
Case Number: 4FA-93-T709107
Case Filing Date: 8/12/1993
Case Type: Minor Offense
DOB: 12/1973
SSN: xxx-xx-xxxx
Sex: Unknown

Offenses
Case Number: 4FA-93-T709107
Court Description: Fourth District - Fairbanks
Court Case Number: 4FA-93-T709107
Court Statute: SPEEDING 74/55
Court Disposition Date: 8/16/1993

[IsItJustMe]

47. Damn, how did you get all that information?

[steve2470]

45. oh, I forgot to thank you for this thread ! nt

[trueblue2007]

46. Recommend & Kick!!! Excellent investigation folks.