I'm concerned--so help me, I'm concerned about Joe the Plumber.

[Bicoastal]

This is one of those "So crazy it just might work" things that, who knows, might give McCain a comeback. Stranger things have happened--maybe in ten years years, all the TV pundits will be talking about the "Joe the Plumber" moment that such and such a candidate needs to pull ahead.

Who knows? Talk me down, somebody. :scared:

[IsItJustMe]

1. Lot's of interesting things coming out about old Joe right now. DU is on it. Stay tuned.

[gkhouston]

6. Unless Joe wants to replace all of my underslab pipes for free, he can kiss my ass.

If he'll do the plumbing for $0, I might kiss his ass. But I'm still voting for Obama. :P

[NYC_SKP]

22. Have you got a slab-on-grade foundation, like mine?

They suck! Should be outlawed in building codes...

[maxsolomon]

24. how high's your water table?

you wouldn't like a crawlspace or basement if it's high.

[NYC_SKP]

38. My problem is unstable sub-soil.

I'm on a levee, the slabs been cracking and while my running water is in the walls, my drains are affected.
Worse than that, corners of the house are dropping and I really need a full foundation from scratch, or tear her down.

[maxsolomon]

39. tough break. how old's the house?

improper compaction? the developer/builder should be responsible for that.

[NYC_SKP]

43. 1942, too old to hold anyone liable...

Thanks, though!

[gkhouston]

26. I do, and the pipes are actually okay right now... which means that catastrophe

will probably strike next Tuesday. :-)

[WeDidIt]

2. Chill the fuck out!

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

3. This should ease some concern.

http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/

[southpaw]

4. I think it needs to be taken more seriously.

Think Willie Horton.

It's not about the truth of the issue.

It's what McCain makes of it.

[Bicoastal]

11. I wouldn't got that far--Horton appeared in attack ads as early as mid-September 2008.

The one everyone remembers came out on October 5th.

Besides, Horton was a murdering rapist. Joe the Plumber isn't even a plumber...

But again, I don't know...

[SoxFan]

19. Actually, Horton had been an issue for a few years

The Lawrence Eagle-Tribune won a Pulitzer for a series on the breakdown of the Mass. prison furlough program, and Al Gore used the issue against Dukakis during the Democratic primaries. The Willy Horton issue had been "incubating" for a long time. This plumber thing is a 48 hour flash in the pan.

[bunnies]

5. Whats up with everybody begging to be "talked down" lately?

Its gotten a bit out of hand.

[Yavin4]

7. They're Copying Rachel Maddow

And, it's getting tiresome indeed.

[bunnies]

15. Thats what I figured...

but hoped it wasn't the case. That kinda shit drives me nuts. Rachel must enjoy her new found control over the masses. Ugh.

[ErinBerin84]

8. agree, is it a Rachel Maddow thing?

Remember folks, she also thought that Hillary was going to the convention(for a fight).

[high density]

9. The guy's nothing more than a joke for late night comedians

Based on what I've heard from his "press conference" today, the guy is a right wing loon that had no reason to vote for Obama to begin with.

[FourScore]

10. What about Bob the Builder?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7478471

[deadparrot]

12. The debate focus groups hated the Joe the Plumber references.

Why in god's name do you think they'd be particularly thrilled to see and hear his name over and over and over again for days on end?

[azmouse]

13. I'd be surprised if this is more than a one day story unless

some of the negative things coming out about the guy are true.
If 'Joe' was really a plant by the McHoover campaign it could be the final nail in the coffin.

[sandnsea]

14. He's a relative of Charles Keating

Somebody needs to get that info to the Obama campaign.

[beachmom]

18. Has that really been verified?

[beachmom]

16. He wants social security abolished. He is a Libertarian, which is not a view

shared by most Americans. I was worried last night, but not today. His problem is he said too much. Plus, if this means they will show the clip of him with Obama a lot, then that is good for Obama.

[Left Is Write]

32. Perhaps they'll show the "zero" clip too.

[Lars39]

17. Nah, it's got as much traction as Mr. "Don't squeeze the Charmin" Whipple.

:D

[PearliePoo2]

20. relax...what Isitjustme said on #1

I just saw MSNBC do a clip of old Joe saying he is against Social Security.
Think all those retired older swing voters are going to give up their checks?
No way they are swayed by this guy when he wants to take away their ability to pay for their prescriptions and heating oil.
All those years working, finally retired and for many, their sole source of income is the SS check.
More and more will come out about this skinhead and the RNC will disappear him.

[Schema Thing]

21. Your concern is valid

Joe will no doubt influence .25% of the public towards McCain.


I think we'll be ok.

[Democat]

23. Joe "Abolish Social Security" Plumber?

That should play well with older voters!

[progressivebydesign]

25. OMG - Joe is related to Charles Keating?? Oh and about your fears...

WTF? you're afraid of this very menacing looking guy who isn't even registered to vote, has already referenced "Sammy Davis Jr." in regard to Obama,whines because he makes 250k a year and doesn't want to pay taxes, and comes off as a total prick? Now we find out he's a relative of the Keatings?

Do not worry.. America is not going to suddenly turn to McCain because this guy was totally rude to Obama and is being held up as "everyman"

[ShortnFiery]

31. This guy REGISTERED in 1992 in Ohio (under first name Samuel) and voted in the Republican

Primary in March. :wow:

Joe/Samuel the un-licensed plumber (license lapsed in 2002) is a REGISTERED REPUBLICAN in Ohio. ;)

[ShortnFiery]

33. dupe

[Lex]

27. NONE of the focus groups last night liked the Joe the Plumber talk.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4246664&mesg_id=4246664

[ShortnFiery]

28. Joe or Samuel (his first name) is NO LONGER a licensed plumber - expired in 2002.

:evilgrin:

[Overseas]

37. Wow, do you think Joe the Ex-Plumber knows G. Gordon the Ex-Plumber?

Maybe he'll be invited on to his radio show!

[DeeDeeNY]

29. The mainstream media's obsession with this guy is troubling

They insist on making a star out of him and letting him repeat on the air his thick-headed, short-sighted, idiotic message of how he's supporting McCain because of Obama raising his taxes and not letting him realize his "American Dream".

[vaberella]

30. Joe the Plumber just said on CBS he makes less than 250,000 a year.

Further more, I hear Joe the Plumber isn't even a licensed plumber, but owns a construction company. So I wouldn't stress over this.

[peaches2003]

34. $250,000 bs by Joe

You think he makes 250K TAXABLE income in this small business he WANTS to buy you are crazy. He said something about 'revenue' I think. That is not taxable income that would raise his txs under Obama's plan. Obama should clear this all up that Joe the Plumber is not your average joe who is not making income of 250K. This Joe crap is getting out of hand on tv today and Obama needs to get the facts out.

[gblady]

35. back away from your computer....

and your TV....
go for a walk....
breathe...


this is just the usual MSM and DU real news starved frenzy...
to be replaced by a new OMG scenario tomorrow...

it is simply the mental masturbation subject du jour!

[alcibiades_mystery]

36. Some people are just idiots

You might check into that condition yourself.

[marshall]

40. He's trailer trash, like Paula Jones

As they said about her--drag a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park and that's what you'll get.

[HughMoran]

41. Oh fer Christs sake - please tell me this post is tongue-in-cheek

Please?

[renie408]

42. You are kidding, right? n/t

[Teaser]

44. No, I won't "talk you down"

you've been around long enough not to let this stuff get to you.

[Cosmic Charlie]

45. why are you in such constant need of talking down? you need to start paying DU for therapy.

[Poseidan]

46. let me explain, please

ANY change to the tax-code results in a 'redistribution' of wealth. 'Spreading the wealth' is CODE for SOCIALISM. Same talking point bull-shit as before, only this time with more corn.

[anneboleyn]

47. Most people think he is a fraud after hearing that he doesn't have a license

and this story was on all the major news networks tonight.

[Monk06]

48. Take two of these ........

and call me in the morning

[scheming daemons]

49. Oh... for fuck's sake.... JTP is a 48 hour story....

By next Wednesday, you'll forget who he is.

[oviedodem]

50. THe man is so obviously a plant

[sniffa]

51. Chuggo the plumber can't even vote

Your pipes are clogged, that's how I feel
I use a fucking plunger, that's how I'm real
I'm not even licensed, that's the real deal
I'm beat my ex-wives, cuz I'm slimy like an eel

[gabby garcia]

52. Joe the Racist..

appeals to their already pre-formed nutjob base - I think most independents and undecided can see for themselves what's really going on there and they're not falling for it.

[Incitatus]

53. CHILL THE FUCK OUT!

There, my work here is done.

[TheKentuckian]

54. My concern is minimal because...

Aren't the same jackasses that love Joe "The Plumber" and his "refreshing" ideas already falling over themselves with Failin anyway?

I also find it hard to wrap my mind around people being upset about Joe maybe one day, possibly, if it goes his way, having to pay an extra few hundred bucks a year in taxes. We are talking about people making like $4800 a week that demand that the people making $280 a week pay the same rate as them and of course less on their capital gains, so they actually end up paying less of a percentage than the person who will miss every single dollar.

Joe should be thankful that he has been blessed. A great many people work hard and work long hours for a fraction of Joe's dream future pay, including supposedly Joe.


Any asshole that is like Joe needs to be forced to watch a continuous loop of "A Christmas Carol" and "The Grinch" fucking "Clockwork Orange" Style for a 10 year stretch.
They want the tax code to absolutely inhibit upwards movement from the low end of the pool, so those at the top can get their new boat a year earlier.

[Incitatus]

55. Oh, you didn't hear?

Joe only made 40K last year. And the business he 'wants' to buy made less than 150K.