Uh Oh. Joe the Plumber doesn't pay his taxes.

[Barack_America]

From the comments section of an ABCNews blog:

Posted by: Truth Matters | Oct 16, 2008 1:22:06 AM


According to Lucas County, Ohio court records, there is a Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher who has a state income tax lien of $1,182.98. According to the court record he lives on a street that is part of the Lincoln Green subdivision, which is where Joe the Plumber lives. Is it the same guy? I don't know. But I hope somebody ( like ABC News) checks it out before making a folk hero out of him. The county's website is www.co.Lucas.Oh.us. Maybe it's a different guy. Who knowss.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/nightlinedailyline/2008/10/joe-the-plumber.html


Here's the court docket:

http://apps.co.lucas.oh.us/onlinedockets/Docket.aspx?STYPE=1&PAR=LN200701803-000&STARTDATE=01/01/1900&ENDDATE=01/01/2100&PARTY=D,1


Tsk, tsk Joe. And you have a son in public schools too! Not willing to pay for his education?


So let's get this straight, he's related to Charles Keating and doesn't pay his taxes. Yep, that sounds like a sure McCain voter to me!

Average, honest, hard-working American? Not so much.


The Keating thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7474700&mesg_id=7474700

[Jennicut]

1. Now we find out he doesn't pay his taxes. Nice plant McInsane.

[msallied]

31. I almost wonder if this is an Obama plant. LOL

I know it sounds out there, but I almost see this as bait to make McCain look like a fool. hehehehe But yeah, I guess it's more likely that McCain was hoisted by his own petard. Again. :)

[nxylas]

47. In the words of the Psalmist

"Let the wicked fall into their own traps while I escape safely".

[hisownpetard]

48. I vote for the "hoisted on his own petard" option.

:thumbsup:

[anonymous171]

2. Oh god, I bet he is one of those "Taxes are unconstitutional" repugs.

[earth mom]

13. Well, the truth is that taxes are unconstitutional. However, who wants to tangle with the IRS?

:yoiks:

[insanity]

22. 16th Amendment?

The passage of the 16th Amendment was a way to defeat that argument.

Also, Art. 1 Sec. 8 (1) gives Congress the power to tax.

A 2001 case (Whitman vs. US) upheld the power for Congress to delegate their authority because the delegation was approved by Congress.

[earth mom]

38. Here, watch this...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

[ContinentalOp]

49. Here read this:

http://www.irs.treas.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=176924,00.html

[earth mom]

50. Of course the IRS is gonna say that. Did you even watch the movie I posted? nt

[Chimichurri]

3. Someone should find out. I'm betting it won't be the reporters who

do the digging, as usual.

[fascisthunter]

4. yup.... another Republican "Plant"

They can't even show real support

[1corona4u]

5. Here is where he lives...according to his voter record...

go to MSN and view it in birdseye. You can tell it's the same neighborhood Obama was in...and yes, It's Lincoln Green.

355 SHREWSBURY ST , HOLLAND,OH,43528

[Barack_America]

12. So you think there is another Samuel J. Wurzelbacher in Toledo?

More likely that the address is his business address, no?

[1corona4u]

One address is in Cincinnati..not sure, but it's a big house...

but the Joe that talked to Obama lived right arround the corner from where Obama was. The lady that got a kiss on the cheek from Obama lives right arround the corner from Joe. I just looked her up too, and they are all within walking distance from where Obama was.

Here's a map, from where the lady that got a kiss lived, to where Joe lives...not sure which street Obama was on though..

[Barack_America]

21. Oddly enough, the Derbyshire address is in that same neighborhood too.

Half a mile from one another, in fact.

Perhaps an old residence? Or a home he owns and rents out?

I have a hard time believing there are two Samuel J. Wurzelbachers living in the same neighborhood.

But then again, who knows.

[Blue Diadem]

24. I'm betting Derbyshire is his parents home.

edited to add: He recently purchased the home he lives in. August of this year.

[1corona4u]

26. Derbyshire?

The only other address I was able to find was this one;
12172 STONEMILL RD CINCINNATI, OH 45251

Which is this house(I think this might be his boss's house??);

[Barack_America]

28. The address in the court docket I listed.

Which I thought you had been questioning in this subthread.

[1corona4u]

30. Oh, I haven't even looked at that yet...

I was going by his failed voter registration ....I'll go look at that now...

[1corona4u]

33. Ok, just checked the property tax appraiser, and here is the result...

he definitely owns/lives at the 355 Shrewsbury address...


Here is the info on the property;

SPRINGFIELD TWP-SPFLD LSD,PCVS



Pro # : C202



Bank : COUNTRYWIDE TAX SERVICE ATTN: AKIRA KONDO



Class/Landuse : R / 10 Map No. :


Zoning Code: R-1

Zoning Description: Single Family Residential District



Owner : WURZELBACHER SAMUEL J *



Address : 355 SHREWSBURY DR



HOLLAND OH 43528



Mailing Address : SAMUEL J WURZELBACHER



355 SHREWSBURY DR



HOLLAND OH 43528



Legal Desc. : LINCOLN GREEN PLAT 2 LOT 123 EXC S 2 FT



Tax Map : Link to Archived Tax Map Viewer




Summary - Attributes


Frontage : 58 Occupancy : ONEFAM TLA : 1491



Depth : 134 Stories : ONE Year Built : 1965



Acres : 0.180 Wall : PARTBRK Bed No. : 3



Baths : 1 Gar. Type : ATTACHED Gar. Sq. Ft. : 299




Summary - Most Recent Sale


Prior Owner : WURZELBACHER SAMUEL J & KI MBERLY M



Sale Amount : 0.00



Deed : QC Sale Date : 08/15/2008



Summary - Taxes & Values


35% Values 100% Values 35% Roll 100% Roll



Land : 7,280 20,800 7,280 20,800



Building : 33,710 96,300 33,570 95,900



Total : 40,990 117,100 40,850 116,700



Last Val. Chg. : 11/15/2006 Roll Flag : X



1st Half 2nd Half



Homestead Red. : 0.00 0.00



Net General : 1,032.36 1,032.36



Net Specials : 4.92 4.92



Tax Due : 1,037.28 1,037.28



Collected : 1,037.28 1,037.28



Unpaid : 0.00 0.00




Disclaimer

[Barack_America]

36. Frank Wurzelbacher owns the Derbyshire home.

Or so it seems from that record you pulled up. So that would mean that the tax lien docket likely references an address of a relative and it is the same Samuel J. Wurzelbacher.

Tsk tsk.

[Blue Diadem]

37. I think that's his father. "Joe's" only owned the Shrewsbury home since 8/08

One of the sites I used last night showed ages...50's for Frank, 34 for "Joe".

[Barack_America]

43. Good to know.

Thanks!

[1corona4u]

39. According to the property tax appraiser, he is current on his property taxes...

but they have gone way up since he's owned the house....he pays 2X's per year...or should I say, previous owners paid 2X's per year. Here's an interesting thing though. They pay double what I pay in property taxes, and my house is worth 50K more than theirs. I have no state ncome tax, and they do, but they also have higher property taxes....

[Barack_America]

41. Yeah, the lien was on personal income tax for OH. nt

[1corona4u]

42. It's got to be his parents...

there have been no sales on that property....and it's in the same subdivision;

NEW CON.



Tax District : SPRINGFIELD TWP-SPFLD LSD,PCVS



Pro # :



Bank :



Class/Landuse : R / 10 Map No. :


Zoning Code: R-1

Zoning Description: Single Family Residential District



Owner : WURZELBACHER FRANK E & PHYLLIS K



Address : 30 DERBYSHIRE RD



TOLEDO OH 43615



Mailing Address : F & P WURZELBACHER



30 DERBYSHIRE RD



TOLEDO OH 43615



Legal Desc. : LINCOLN GREEN PLAT 1 LOT 27



Tax Map : Link to Archived Tax Map Viewer




Summary - Attributes


Frontage : 119 Occupancy : ONEFAM TLA : 975



Depth : 0 Stories : ONE Year Built : 1960



Acres : 0.200 Wall : PARTBRK Bed No. : 3



Baths : 1 Gar. Type : ATTACHED Gar. Sq. Ft. : 300




Summary - Most Recent Sale


No sale on record.



Summary - Taxes & Values


35% Values 100% Values 35% Roll 100% Roll



Land : 8,540 24,400 8,540 24,400



Building : 24,010 68,600 24,010 68,600



Total : 32,550 93,000 32,550 93,000



Last Val. Chg. : 11/15/2006 Roll Flag : X



1st Half 2nd Half



Homestead Red. : 0.00 0.00



Net General : 819.72 819.72



Net Specials : 49.25 49.25



Tax Due : 868.97 868.97



Collected : 868.97 868.97



Unpaid : 0.00 0.00




Disclaimer

[1corona4u]

46. Sale history--his price has not been updated yet...

Sale Date Seller Amount Deed



08/15/2008 WURZELBACHER SAMUEL J & KIMBERLY M 0.00 View Deed



06/14/2005 QUINTO WALTER A ETAL 126,500.00 View Deed



03/11/2003 QUINTO WALTER A 0.00



04/08/1997 CASWELL CAROL 80,000.00



06/11/1992 CASWELL R L & C J

[ahimsa]

54. Sold it to himself?

Looks like maybe he was just buying his ex's half? They bought it together in 2005?

[Blue Diadem]

23. I don't think he's bought the business yet.

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7655099&version=11&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

I think the name of the company is spelled wrong. It may be Newell.

[Barack_America]

29. Probably an old residence then. nt

[Barack_America]

34. Ah. So he's a Rush and Hannity fan too?

"I have a lot of friends that call me and they tell me Rush (Limbaugh) has quoted me and (FOX's) Sean Hannity. These are shows I have listened to - it's kind of neat to hear them repeat something I said."

(from that same link)

[Blue Diadem]

44. Yep, he's a true Red Republican.

Did you see his interview with Couric last night? He said something about Obama tap dancing like Sammy Davis Jr.

[renie408]

6. Hey, Joe doesn't want to pay ANY taxes. n/t

[Kajsa]

9. Well then HE can pay

for his child's education, his police/fire department/ emergency
services out of pocket then!

No public libraries for freeloading Joe!

[hedgehog]

40. Why would Joe need a public library? You think he reads?

[Kajsa]

45. Excellent point, hedgehog!

:)

[Kajsa]

7. So let me get this straight--

Joe isn't registered to vote and he doesn't pay
his taxes?

And McCain used him as an example of " the hard working American" ?

:eyes: --- sounds like McCain's kind of guy.

[Ian David]

8. See also:

http://TinyUrl.com/JoeThePlumber

[Ikonoklast]

10. I'd love to hear from his ex-wife, too

This asshole looks like a real piece of work.

Not a registered plumber.
Cheats on his taxes.
May or may not be registered to vote under his real name.
May actually be a registered Republican, but lied about it.
Hates being a 'Yankee', but is from Ohio.

Asshole.

[Barack_America]

52. Looks like he has two.

Ex-wives, that is. I saw divorce settlements for both a "Jennifer" and a "Kimberly".

This guy is all class. He's totally wrapped up in this myth of the "strong man".

[Ikonoklast]

53. I know lots of guys just like him at my gym

They're great for a laugh.

[lizzieforkerry]

11. Oops trying to resond to a different post

On edit: nevermind, I need more coffee

[sickinohio]

14. AND - it's already started. I just heard on the TV 13

news snippet in Toledo that McLame is coming to Toledo this weekend. what do you want to bet "Joe" will be on stage, front and center? I think I'm going to :puke:

Sure hope he is outed as a plant for McLame's campaign!!

[Kajsa]

15. Questions from the audience, please!

" Joe, are you registered to vote?"

" What percentage do you pay in taxes"

Nail him!

[youthere]

16. Well, now we know why he didn't register to vote.

[ej510]

18. Send this to Keith and Rachel.

[newfie11]

17. How is he going to buy a business when he can't afford to pay his taxes?

This business is going to make over 250,000. according to Joe. Then he will need to pay taxes on his business and home. poor man will just have to up his plummer fees.:sarcasm:

[Stagecoach]

19. Evidently Joe doesn't know how to spell his last name

One time, it's with an "O" and other times it's with a "U".....which is it???

[high density]

20. That's gunna leave a mark on his credit score....

[Barack_America]

27. He was also taken to court for not paying his medical bills.

So his credit score must really suck.

http://apps.co.lucas.oh.us/onlinedockets/Docket.aspx?STYPE=1&PAR=LN200707076-000&STARTDATE=01/01/1900&ENDDATE=01/01/2100&PARTY=D,1

[gkhouston]

35. Makes you wonder if he'd be interested in Obama's health care plan. n/t

[grantcart]

25. I had that feeling from his comments this morning that he was hiding something

[Stagecoach]

32. Put it this way

If this guy suddenly goes into hiding and refuses to make anymore media appearances, you know things got to be a bit too much for the guy.

[Barack_America]

51. I'm waiting for that to happen any moment now.

Meanwhile, McCain is trying to become Joe's BFF. lol

[FloridaGrl]

55. McCain surrogate on msnbc says

the media is picking on poor Joe and there will be a backlash on the media.

[Barack_America]

56. Whatever. The man has held more press conferences than Palin.

Wait until the media figures that out.

:D

I blame McCain for this mess anyhow. He should have at least spoken to Joe and made sure his story checked out before taking advantage of it.

[Franks Wild Years]

57. Every tax paying US resident is paying for this criminal.

No surprise that McCain wants to make him the centerpiece of his campaign.

Deplorable.