Well, I'll be damn! JOE " the PLUMBER" RELATED to Charles KEATING!!! Oops! WTF?

[Blue_Roses]

I did some searching and found this:

Joe “the Plumber” Wurzelbacher related to Charles Keating. Oops.
October 16th, 2008 . by Marty

John McCain did great tonight in the debate. But every time John mentioned “Joe the Plumber,” some of us in the campaign banged our heads against the wall. If Steve Schmidt had any hair left, I hear he would have been pulling it out tonight. He reportedly screamed at John’s debate prep team tonight (out of earshot of reporters, of course). “You idiots - he’s related to Charles Keating… of the Keating Five scandal!” They thought they had a real live Joe Six-Pack who’s spurned Barack Obama’s tax plan. But what they forgot to do was check on Joe Wurzelbacher’s background.

Turns out that Joe Wurzelbacher from the Toledo event is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who’s Robert Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keating’s son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan. The now retired elder Wurzelbacher is also a major contributor to Republican causes giving well over $10,000 in the last few years.

Does any of this make Joe the Plumber a bad guy? Of course not. But on a night when McCain accused Obama of guilt-by-association, this isn’t going to look good for us. Hello, but on a night when John goes full bore on William Ayers and dodges a bullet by Obama not mentioning Keating Five, the press is going to bring it back front and center by midday tomorrow once they delve deeper into the most popular plumber in America.

This might remind you of the Paris Hilton scandal - where one side of the McCain campaign attacked her in an ad, not realizing that her family were huge donors. I was the first to warn the campaign of the perils of miscommunication, and that story flared for a week.



http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/16/joe-the-plumber-wurzelbacher-related-to-charles-keating-oops/

EDITED TO ADD: Here's some more info from the DailyKos--http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/16/02217/845

[steve2470]

1. wtf ???? thanks for digging this up !! lol nt

[Blaq Dem]

141. Word has it he was arrested 3 times for domestic violence!

...according to Thom Hartmann on Air America Radio.

It explains why he's a single dad.

[Sequoia]

155. Repub family values of course.

[Blaq Dem]

169. Wife Beaters and Unwed Teenage Moms are the trends nowadays

[Sequoia]

193. Pill popping, lawn chair stealing sons

[Porschenut1066]

187. Posted twice by mistake

[Porschenut1066]

188. He was a REPUB PLANT. They thought it would help Global warming!

[ContinentalOp]

2. Hahahaha, wtf

:rofl:

[AirmensMom]

3. LOL!

Oops! :rofl:

[Clio the Leo]

4. Yeah, I'm gonna need a better definition of "Close relative." NT

[A-Schwarzenegger]

8. Thanks.

[DefenseLawyer]

10. How many Wurzelbachers can there be? n/t

[Clio the Leo]

13. If they're 8th cousins and have never met, then it's a mute point. NT

[EFerrari]

17. Moot.

[WinkyDink]

90. Joey from "Friends" said "mute". :)

[EFerrari]

95. That's right. I loved that character.

:)

[fob]

107. Actually, Joey from Friends said "MOO point" which he clarifed

thusly;

Joey: It's a moo point

Chandler(?): Moo point?

Joey: Yeah, moo point, you know a cow's opinion, it doesn't matter

Note: May have been someone other than Chandler in the exchange

[krkaufman]

178. And so did my college-educated roommate, even after I pointed out his error to him.

Suffice it to say that he's a Republican.

[Bicoastal]

18. Moot point. But Daily Kos noticed this too and is already a-diggin.

[DefenseLawyer]

23. Well you can hope I guess

but if the OP is accurate, would Steve Schmidt be yelling about an 8th cousin? I mean sure with a common name like Wurzelbacher anything is possible, but I'm not seeing it.

[George II]

129. Wurzelbacher in the Cinncinati area is like Kim in Seoul.

And just what was this poor shmoe "Joe the Plumber" who lives in the Cinncinati area doing in Toledo coincidentally on the ONLY day that Barack Obama was campaigning there? They are 200 miles apart! There is NO Joe Wurzelbacher in Toledo but there is one in Cinncinnati.

[maxsolomon]

140. oh please

Nieheisel is the Kim of Cincinnati.

[George II]

157. OK, so Wurzlebacher is the Chin of Beijing....happy?

[maxsolomon]

168. strangely enough, yes.

:smoke:

[dixiegrrrrl]

164. Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher lives in Holland Ohio

a suburb of Toledo.
And he is the "Joe the Plumber" guy.
Plus:

Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher age 34, lives in Holland Ohio, has lived in
* TOLEDO, OH.....Holland is a suburb of Toledo
* MESA, AZ
* TUCSON, AZ
* NORTH POLE, AK
* GRAND FORKS AFB, ND
* GRAND FORKS, ND
* SYLVANIA, OH

[krkaufman]

179. Very possibly a McCain campaign plant, looking for a soundbite?

It seems perfectly reasonable, to me; and I'd think a campaign negligent, these days, if they *weren't* trying such tactics.

[winga222]

210. Exactly. There are a lot of Wurzelbachers in Cincinnati.

Most are Republican, in that weird German-Catholic-Conservative way of ours.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

30. Yep, why not just state the specific relationship?

[Sodan]

31. Even so.. this is strange.

[crossroads]

195. It's eerie!

:wtf:

[beac]

48. Not really, b/c even if they are distant it's a crazy coincidence and the press will eat it up

meaning that the phrase "KEATING 5" will be back in the news cycle for a day or so which is a plus for us.

Oh poor McCrash he just CANNOT land his pander plane without incident, can he??

[Kalyke]

87. I didn't think he knew how to land a plane.

I thought he always crashed them back to earth.

;)

[George II]

130. For republicans in the hills of Ohio, they might as well be married!

[DissedByBush]

182. I think I'm related to that Amish girl

who was killed in that Amish school shooting a while back. I'm not Amish, never been in Amish country, never even knew I had distant Amish relatives until a couple years ago, and I'm an extreme technophile.

I'm about as non-Amish as it gets, but my 133t geek credz must be tainted by this Amish relation.

[stillcool]

200. ah but you're not "Joe the Plumber" are you?

kind of sad that McCain is always the last to know who the people he chooses to exploit really are.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

206. Or perhaps he did know

and didn't care because he thinks we're all too stupid to figure it out.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

99. There are 604 listings for the name in Ohio phone records

many are dupes though - eg, people with multiple phone lines, 2 addresses, etc.

[George II]

159. If today's rumors about the Keating connection are true, one too many for McCain!

[George II]

160. DUPLICATE

[dixiegrrrrl]

186. I can tell you there were 2 in Alaska.

Doug Wurzelbacher raced dogs in 2000.
http://www.progressohio.org/page/community/post/daveharding/CHvm



R.M. Wurzelbacher made a Repug, political contribution from Alaska.
In 2000
but also in 2000 made political contributions from Ohio addresses.

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?city=ANONYMOUS&st=AK&last=wurzelbacher

[Eugenian]

189. superpages.com

lists 68, plus 2 unlisted. That wouldn't count unpublished, obviously.

[texrednface]

149. Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher in Maricopa ,Ar

Reports have said said Joe the Plumbers full name is Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher. There is a Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher in Maricopa ,Ar. I found it on Ancestry.com I let my membership go on the 12th so I can't get details. Anybody have an Ancestry.com subscription?

[George II]

158. Appears he's son of Keating's son-in-law

[krkaufman]

181. Wouldn't that make him a grandson? Very confusing. n/t

[George II]

185. No, there really isn't a direct connection between a son-in-law and that s-o-l's offspring.

[Tansy_Gold]

213. HUH??????

If the son in law is married to the daughter, then the son in law's son is the daughter's son, too, ergo, the grandson.

:wtf:

[thewiseguy]

5. Joe, say it aint so!

:rofl:

You could not make this stuff up.

[grasswire]

6. KO, take note

This is exactly the kind of stuff KO loves.

[Bicoastal]

7. NO SHIT!!

GAME.

OVER.

[ecstatic]

9. wow. when it rains, it pours. Luckily for mcshame the msm doesn't cover

his campaign gaffes. Yet, Mcshame is still done. How about that? lol

[greenmutha]

11. OMG!

McCain campaign:

"Open mouth, insert foot."

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[LooseWilly]

12. Talk about stepping on your own dick...

[ErinBerin84]

14. oh please please please let this be true.

Heh, even if we're just being gullible and there is no relation, this is still hilarious.

[firedupdem]

15. LOL!!! I love it!!! They are some real idiots!! Please send this

to the Obama campaign!

[Oak2004]

27. Not just the Obama campaign, but the morning shows ASAP

The ones Joe the Plumber is scheduled to be on tomorrow.

They need a couple of hours to research this, and if confirmed, I'll bet tomorrow morning could be... interesting :)

[krawhitham]

16. so Joe the Plumber is not registered to vote and is related to Keating

Damn shame for McCain, damn shame

[mamameow]

154. a plant here , a plant there

joe the plumber is a plant. he was put in the obama rally by the mc crap campaign. how did mc crap know about joe the plumber? were mc crap people at the obama rally? mc crap looked as though he was going to crap in his pants when he found an opening to bring joe the plumber into the debate. joe is a plant. this is mc crap's problem, he misjudges the intelligence of ordinary people. we do know how to put 2 and 2 together and we have good senses to know when something smells bad. joe the plumber is a phony.

[lonestarnot]

191. He apparently is, as he voted in the primary.

[SeattleGirl]

19. Ruh roh!

:rofl:

[Vanje]

20. kickn it nt

[LiberadorHugo]

21. Big deal...

I could go out, find an 8th cousin, fuck her brains out, and nobody would give a damn accept Joey Nazinger. It's funny, but it's meaningless.

[Binka]

60. Oh Course It Is Meaningless Hugo

That is why you had to chime in.

[fascisthunter]

82. ha ha....

busted

[Political Heretic]

75. Yeah, your a real class act.

:eyes:

[Thrill]

22. I bet we're going to find out he's no Plumber either

[Jello Biafra]

110. Maybe he was one of Nixon's plumbers.....n/t

[SharonAnn]

147. But he is concerned about perhaps having to pay taxes on a business he might purchase.

[mamameow]

156. money

with mc crap in office, where does joe the plumber think he is going to get the money to buy a business that makes over 250,000?

[lonestarnot]

192. Yes, no license according to A.P.

[4lbs]

24. Bahahahaha! It will be interesting to see if the MSM will ask "Joe" about his Keating ties, him

being a Republican campaign contributor, and why he's not voting in this election.

:D

[CoffeeCat]

25. How in the WORLD....

...can this be a coincidence?

There's just...no way.

I'm stumped.

[meow mix]

32. its just bizzare

i know... wth?

[Sodan]

26. OMG - LMAO

[Emit]

28. When I saw the original piece with Obama and this Joe guy

he seemed like a plant -- like he was on a mission with Obama. Seems all too contrived.

[Blue_Roses]

29. yep, something about him...

I saw him on the news talking with Obama and something in my gut said this guy "ain't right." His body language was defensive by crossing his arms. I actually was afraid for Obama. Where was the damn secret service?

[hisownpetard]

125. Thought the same thing. He was immediately hostile and totally uninterested in Obama's

long and sincere explanation. In fact, he interrupted Obama who had to say, "Wait - let me answer
your question."

Ulterior motive, anyone?

[krkaufman]

184. Agreed. I wondered why someone so against Obama's tax plan ...

... be attending an Obama rally?

[KathieG]

33. Ok...we are living in an alternate universe...this is something else!

[d_b]

34. saved for later n/t

[JI7]

35. is this confirmed ?

send it to Keith Olbermann

[vaberella]

56. Agreed if this is true it needs to go to Huffpost, KO, Rachel Maddow, DailyKos and the rest. n/t

[barack the house]

36. Not such an average Joe hey.

[Starry Messenger]

37. Just found this blog doing google search:

http://citizenworm.wordpress.com/

Some interesting follow up in the comments section.

http://citizenworm.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/a-keating-connection-to-joe-the-plumber/

Only 173 Wurzelbacher in US census (!)

http://citizenworm.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/joe-the-plumber-tid-bits/

Pic of the "business".

[Dems4me]

65. I sent these links and others on DU to the AP as a News Tip....Maybe someone will look into it. n/t

[NotThisTime]

94. I can't wait to see where this goes....

[Starry Messenger]

96. Me too.

I have to go to work soon and will be off DU until 1:00 Pacific time. Arg! I hate missing stuff.

[MagickMuffin]

38. NY Times article From May 16, 1992: Keating In-Law Enters Plea And Will Assist Prosecutors

By RICHARD W. STEVENSON,

A son-in-law of Charles H. Keating Jr. pleaded guilty today to three Federal fraud counts in connection with the collapse of the Lincoln Savings and Loan Assocation and agreed to cooperate with prosecutors as they pursue their case against Mr. Keating.

The guilty plea was the sixth from executives and business associates of Lincoln and its parent company, but was the first crack in what until now had been a united Keating family defense against the charges in the case.

Mr. Keating and a son, Charles H. Keating 3d, still face an array of fraud and racketeering charges brought against them in a 77-count Federal indictment issued last year. Their trial is scheduled for August in Federal District Court here. Mr. Keating was convicted last year on separate fraud counts in a California state court and is serving a 10-year prison sentence. Bad Loans to a Hotel

The guilty plea today was from Robert M. Wurzelbacher Jr., who had been a senior vice president of Lincoln's parent company, the American Continental Corporation of Phoenix, and the chief executive of an investment firm owned by Lincoln Savings. Mr. Wurzelbacher, who is 38 years old, is married to the former Elizabeth Keating, one of Mr. Keating's daughters.

Mr. Wurzelbacher pleaded guilty before United States District Judge Mariana Pfaelzer to three felony counts of misapplication of federally insured funds. The charges were not among those made against Mr. Wurzelbacher in last year's Federal indictment.

His guilty plea involved charges arising from $13 million in loans and advances made by Lincoln Savings, which was based in Irvine, Calif. The money went to a limited partnership that owned and operated the Hotel Pontchartrain in Detroit.

Mr. Wurzelbacher and other officers and employees of Lincoln and American Continental, including Mr. Keating and his son, were partners in the limited partnership, according to court documents.

The prosecutors said that in pleading guilty Mr. Wurzelbacher admitted that he and other Lincoln and American Continental executives had made the loans and advances knowing that they probably would not be repaid and were not in Lincoln's best interests.

Prosecutors said that the hotel suffered large losses, but that the limited partnership generated substantial tax benefits for Mr. Wurzelbacher and the other limited partners.

In all, Lincoln suffered losses of more than $23 million on loans to the hotel, according to a civil suit against Mr. Keating filed last year by the Resolution Trust Corporation, the Federal savings and loan bailout agency.

Mark Beck, a lawyer for Mr. Wurzelbacher, said that in pleading guilty to three counts his client would not be subject to the strict sentencing guidelines that would apply to the charges in the indictment.

"It was not an easy decision, but he had to keep in mind that as the father of two grade-school children he faced substantial consequences if the defense was unsuccessful at trial," Mr. Beck said.

Lincoln was seized by Federal regulators three years ago just after American Continental filed for bankruptcy protection. Lincoln's collapse is expected to cost taxpayers $2.6 billion. Mr. Keating, unfairly in his view, has come to embody the political influence peddling, mismanagement and fraud that pervaded the savings and loan industry.

As part of his plea, Mr. Wurzelbacher agreed to cooperate with the continuing investigation of Lincoln by the United States Justice Department and a host of state and local law-enforcement and regulatory agencies, said David A. Sklansky, an assistant United States attorney who is prosecuting the case.

Mr. Sklansky said the Government had also agreed to move for dismissal of all the counts against Mr. Wurzelbacher in the Federal indictment. Mr. Wurzelbacher could be sentenced to as many as 15 years in prison and fined as much as twice the loss caused by his actions.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE6DF173DF935A25756C0A964958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print

[Tansy_Gold]

92. Ah,the good ol' Hotel Pontchartrain!!!!!!!

When I worked at Lincoln Savings for the RTC in 1991-1992, that was one of the most active files. I can't tell you how many times I lugged those enormous books out of the file room, copied hundreds of pages, and handed them to the lawyers.

And yes, I remember a substantial amount of the details.




Tansy Gold, silent for the moment.

[MagickMuffin]

153. Be sure to inform me when your moment has arrived, Tansy Gold

I would love to hear more details. I've been keeping a research journal about a lot of these scandals that rethuglicons always seem to be involved with.

:hi:

[WallStreetNobody]

39. This is just getting more and more absurd as more info is revealed on Joe

He is CLEARLY in the tank for McCain and trying to conjure up some sort of story to impress his freeper friends. I bet he did do it spontaneously but now regrets it because all his bullsh!t is going to come out and I'm sure it will piss his family off to no end given they are big Republican donors.

Everyone should listen to the Couric interview to hear how in the tank for McCain this guy is while trying to pretend his isn't. He is nothing but a racist wingnut who tried comparing Obama to Sammy Davis Jr., and got shot-down while trying to stump Obama on his tax plan.

[tavalon]

172. Yeah, I think he was doing the whole Mavericky Maverick thing

and never even thought about how his name might be a problem.

[steve2470]

40. an interview here with Joe by a RW web site

http://familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.1465/pub_detail.asp

Exclusive: Obama – ‘Spread the Wealth Around’ Reveals Socialist Plan for America
Interview with Joe Wurzelbacher

[Hope And Change]

41. K & R!

[AmericanUnity]

42. PHOTO: MCCAIN FINDS OUT RIGHT AFTER THE DEBATE JOE IS RELATED TO KEATING

[endthewar]

77. Even better

One of my all-time favorite McCain photos:



:rofl:

[krkaufman]

183. So very Presidential of McCain after the debate. More of the Bush idiocy. Enough! n/t

[Alexander]

43. K & R with gusto!

[Liberal_in_LA]

44. good find.

[JCMach1]

45. LOL

[BelgianMadCow]

46. Better than fiction

the onion out of work again.

[Dems4me]

47. Kick n/t

[quakerboy]

49. It seems Joe makes less than Obama's cap, and lied to boot

http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/16/the-plumber/

So Joe's Company, which is in his name, is presumably not needing to be purchased. And its revenue is less than Obamas 250k anyway.

[chknltl]

50. They Took Page Down!!!!!!!

Link no longer works!

[chknltl]

52. Here is an interesting link to the Plumber's brother:

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?last=WURZELBACHER&first=Robert

Just in case it disapears also, I'm posting the contents, it is his campaign contributions:


Contributor Candidate or PAC Amount Date FEC Filing
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
MILFORD , OH 45150
RETIRED
NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE (R) $3,000
primary 04/04/03
Wurzelbacher, Robert M. Mr.
Milford , OH 45150
Retired
OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY STATE CENTRAL & EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE (R) $500
primary 03/27/03
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED PERKINS, ANTHONY RICHARD (R)
Senate - LA
PERKINS FOR SENATE $200
general 11/04/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
RETIRED TALENT, JAMES MATTHES (R)
Senate - MO
TALENT FOR SENATE COMMITTEE $200
general 10/31/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED GANSKE, JOHN GREG (R)
Senate - IA
GANSKE FOR SENATE $200
general 10/29/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED TALENT, JAMES MATTHES (R)
Senate - MO
TALENT FOR SENATE COMMITTEE $250
general 10/17/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED
NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE (R) $500
primary 10/09/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED PERKINS, ANTHONY RICHARD (R)
Senate - LA
PERKINS FOR SENATE $250
general 10/09/02
Wurzelbacher, Robert Mr.
Milford, OH 45150
Retired STATON, CECIL POPE JR (R)
House (GA 11)
STATON FOR CONGRESS INC. $200 10/09/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
MILFORD, OH 45750
RETIRED SMITH, GORDON HAROLD (R)
Senate - OR
GORDON SMITH FOR US SENATE 2002 INC $200
general 10/08/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED COLEMAN, NORM (R)
Senate - MN
NORM COLEMAN FOR U S SENATE $250
general 10/08/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED GANSKE, JOHN GREG (R)
Senate - IA
GANSKE FOR SENATE $250
general 10/07/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED
NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE (R) $500
primary 08/23/02
Wurzelbacher, Robert
Milford, OH 45150
None/Retired BARR, ROBERT L JR (R)
House (GA 06)
BARR FOR CONGRESS $200
primary 06/25/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED COLEMAN, NORM (R)
Senate - MN
NORM COLEMAN FOR U S SENATE $250
primary 06/18/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150 GANSKE, JOHN GREG (R)
Senate - IA
GANSKE FOR SENATE $250
general 06/17/02
Wurzelbacher, Robert
Milford, OH 45150
None/Retired BARR, ROBERT L JR (R)
House (GA 06)
BARR FOR CONGRESS $200
primary 04/17/02
Wurzelbacher, Robert M. Mr.
Milford, OH 45150
Retired
OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY STATE CENTRAL & EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE (R) $500
primary 04/16/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
FRIENDS OF PHIL GRAMM PAC (R) $-500
primary 10/01/01
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M MRS
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
FRIENDS OF PHIL GRAMM PAC (R) $-500
primary 10/01/01
Wurzelbacher, Robert
Milford, OH 45150
-/Retired
OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY STATE CENTRAL & EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE (R) $500
primary 04/30/01
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED
NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE (R) $500
primary 04/27/01
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED
NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE (R) $500
primary 04/25/01
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
MILFORD, OH 45150
THE CINCINNATI DOWEL & WOOD PRODUCT
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESS/ SAVE AMERICAS FREE ENTERPRISE TRUST $250
primary 11/06/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED FEDERER, WILLIAM J (R)
House (MO 03)
FEDERER FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $200
general 11/03/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED FEDERER, WILLIAM J (R)
House (MO 03)
FEDERER FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $200
general 11/03/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED BARR, ROBERT L JR (R)
House (GA 06)
BARR FOR CONGRESS $200
general 11/01/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
RETIRED
NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE (R) $500
primary 10/27/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150 ASHCROFT, JOHN D (R)
Senate - MO
ASHCROFT 2000 $250
general 10/25/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150 ASHCROFT, JOHN D (R)
Senate - MO
ASHCROFT 2000 $350
general 09/18/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
MILFORD, OH 45150
THE CINCINNATI DOWEL & WOOD PRODUCT
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESS/ SAVE AMERICAS FREE ENTERPRISE TRUST $250
primary 09/01/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
RETIRED
NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE (R) $2,000
primary 08/30/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150 ASHCROFT, JOHN D (R)
Senate - MO
ASHCROFT 2000 $200
general 08/11/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
RETIRED LAZIO, RICK A (R)
Senate - NY
LAZIO 2000 INC $1,000
primary 08/09/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
RETIRED LAZIO, RICK A (R)
Senate - NY
LAZIO 2000 INC $1,000
general 08/09/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED BARR, ROBERT L JR (R)
House (GA 06)
BARR FOR CONGRESS $200
general 08/08/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
MILFORD, OH 45150
CINCINATI DOWEL-WOOD PRODUCTS CO
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESS/ SAVE AMERICAS FREE ENTERPRISE TRUST $200
primary 07/10/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
RETIRED DEWINE, RICHARD MICHAEL (R)
Senate - OH
DEWINE FOR US SENATE $1,000
general 06/30/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED
OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY STATE CENTRAL & EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE (R) $500
primary 06/21/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
RETIRED
FRIENDS OF PHIL GRAMM PAC (R) $500
general 05/08/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M MR
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED
DICK ARMEY CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE (R) $500
general 05/05/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED GIULIANI, RUDOLPH W (R)
Senate - NY
FRIENDS OF GIULIANI EXPLORATORY COMMITTEE $250
primary 04/27/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED BARR, ROBERT L JR (R)
House (GA 06)
BARR FOR CONGRESS $250
primary 04/20/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
RETIRED
NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE (R) $1,000
primary 02/23/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED
OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY STATE CENTRAL & EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE (R) $500
primary 02/17/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M MR
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
RETIRED
NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE (R) $1,000
primary 10/20/99
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45158
RETIRED GIULIANI, RUDOLPH W (R)
Senate - NY
FRIENDS OF GIULIANI EXPLORATORY COMMITTEE $250
primary 09/14/99
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M MRS
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
RETIRED
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WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
RETIRED
FRIENDS OF PHIL GRAMM PAC (R) $500
primary 08/06/99
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150 ASHCROFT, JOHN D (R)
Senate - MO
ASHCROFT 2000 $200
primary 04/28/99
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[chknltl]

55. OMFG!!!

From:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE6DF173DF935A25756C0A964958260

A son-in-law of Charles H. Keating Jr. pleaded guilty today to three Federal fraud counts in connection with the collapse of the Lincoln Savings and Loan Assocation and agreed to cooperate with prosecutors as they pursue their case against Mr. Keating.

The guilty plea was the sixth from executives and business associates of Lincoln and its parent company, but was the first crack in what until now had been a united Keating family defense against the charges in the case.

Mr. Keating and a son, Charles H. Keating 3d, still face an array of fraud and racketeering charges brought against them in a 77-count Federal indictment issued last year. Their trial is scheduled for August in Federal District Court here. Mr. Keating was convicted last year on separate fraud counts in a California state court and is serving a 10-year prison sentence. Bad Loans to a Hotel

The guilty plea today was from Robert M. Wurzelbacher Jr., who had been a senior vice president of Lincoln's parent company, the American Continental Corporation of Phoenix, and the chief executive of an investment firm owned by Lincoln Savings. Mr. Wurzelbacher, who is 38 years old, is married to the former Elizabeth Keating, one of Mr. Keating's daughters.

Mr. Wurzelbacher pleaded guilty before United States District Judge Mariana Pfaelzer to three felony counts of misapplication of federally insured funds. The charges were not among those made against Mr. Wurzelbacher in last year's Federal indictment.

His guilty plea involved charges arising from $13 million in loans and advances made by Lincoln Savings, which was based in Irvine, Calif. The money went to a limited partnership that owned and operated the Hotel Pontchartrain in Detroit.

Mr. Wurzelbacher and other officers and employees of Lincoln and American Continental, including Mr. Keating and his son, were partners in the limited partnership, according to court documents.

The prosecutors said that in pleading guilty Mr. Wurzelbacher admitted that he and other Lincoln and American Continental executives had made the loans and advances knowing that they probably would not be repaid and were not in Lincoln's best interests.

Prosecutors said that the hotel suffered large losses, but that the limited partnership generated substantial tax benefits for Mr. Wurzelbacher and the other limited partners.

In all, Lincoln suffered losses of more than $23 million on loans to the hotel, according to a civil suit against Mr. Keating filed last year by the Resolution Trust Corporation, the Federal savings and loan bailout agency.

Mark Beck, a lawyer for Mr. Wurzelbacher, said that in pleading guilty to three counts his client would not be subject to the strict sentencing guidelines that would apply to the charges in the indictment.

"It was not an easy decision, but he had to keep in mind that as the father of two grade-school children he faced substantial consequences if the defense was unsuccessful at trial," Mr. Beck said.

Lincoln was seized by Federal regulators three years ago just after American Continental filed for bankruptcy protection. Lincoln's collapse is expected to cost taxpayers $2.6 billion. Mr. Keating, unfairly in his view, has come to embody the political influence peddling, mismanagement and fraud that pervaded the savings and loan industry.

As part of his plea, Mr. Wurzelbacher agreed to cooperate with the continuing investigation of Lincoln by the United States Justice Department and a host of state and local law-enforcement and regulatory agencies, said David A. Sklansky, an assistant United States attorney who is prosecuting the case.

Mr. Sklansky said the Government had also agreed to move for dismissal of all the counts against Mr. Wurzelbacher in the Federal indictment. Mr. Wurzelbacher could be sentenced to as many as 15 years in prison and fined as much as twice the loss caused by his actions.

[chknltl]

57. Dupe

[progressoid]

58. Do we KNOW they are brothers?

Linky?

[chknltl]

61. No, I do not.

OP link was all I had to go on, the text from that link is posted in OP but I have no way of confirming that the two are actually brothers.... What I AM finding about this character is DAMNED FASCINATING and IF he is indeed the Plumbers brother..... if not I live up to my namesake!

[LiberalHeart]

202. What makes you think that's his brother?

[chknltl]

212. Post 58 and post 61 (might have saved ya from askin)

[writes3000]

53. If you hit the icon on the top of the page, it'll take you to the article. nt

[chknltl]

59. I only get: "Not Found" when I go to link.

It worked just fine earlier

[truthisfreedom]

62. it works now.

http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/

[chknltl]

67. That's screwey...well on my end that is...

OP link still gives me 'Not Found' yet yours works just fine! Must be a bug in my system somewhere

[Blue_Roses]

86. yes, it sure did. same with me

when I go to the link I posted in the OP, it says not found, but when I go to the above link it does:wtf:

:shrug:

[victoryparty]

63. Wasn't Gordon Liddy a plumber, too?

[chknltl]

68. I think so...things that makes ya go: hmmmmmmm

:rofl:

[justiceischeap]

64. Working Link

http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/15/joe-the-plumber-wurzelbacher-related-to-charles-keating-oops/

[chknltl]

69. Thanks

:thumbsup:

[WePurrsevere]

79. NM..

someone beat me to it because I got sidetracked on a search trying to find more about the possible relationship. :blush:

[Blue_Roses]

84. ...

:wow:

[ZeitGuy]

139. Try from DailyKos, near the bottom of the comments section on this piece:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/16/02217/845

Look for joeyess's comment near the bottom entitled: "BLUEGA!!! You've been vindicated!!!"

[WallStreetNobody]

51. This Joe thing is sketchy on so many levels it has to be investigated

seriously, i work on wall street in a very data driven environment, i'm not one to jump to conclusions but this whole Joe thing is odd on so many levels. It just doesn't smell right, this could wind up being a big hoax played on the entire country for the sake of some loser's 15 minutes of fame and some fodder for GOP talking points. The mainstream media will probably be behind the curve on this, I hope the bloggers and independent investigators can figure this out.

[vaberella]

54. Dear God. McCain, if it was even possible, with this situation ruined his chances even more. n/t

[FreeState]

66. Sounds too good to be true - Rove setting us up? N/t

[peacetalksforall]

220. or ... Rove setting McCain up?

[Dems4me]

70. kick n/t

[The Magistrate]

71. Actual Name, Ma'am, Seems To Be Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4247159&mesg_id=4247159

[Blue_Roses]

88. thanks!

I had to go to bed shortly after this, but woke up thinking about it first thing.

[steve2470]

72. fwiw, the latest on one blog:

Missing Puzzle Pieces… •October 16, 2008 • No Comments
aren’t turning up. Actually there are some holes big enough that they may change the narrative. Double checking some assumptions made early on and looking into the mysterious presence of a spectre resembling Pan. More to come.

Posted in Circus '08, Joe the Plumber, Uncategorized
Tags: Charles Keating, hoax, Joe Wurzelbacher, John McCain Joe the Plumber, Richard Wurzelbacher, the Keating five

Confirmation of Joe’s Identity and Link to Keating •October 16, 2008 • 6 Comments
2:15 am Thursday October 16. 2008

Ok, this is the big one. We have confirmation that the last name we were using is in fact correct so I will now reveal the connections since the name has been said on MSNBC and CBS.

Joe the Plumber is Joe Wurzelbacher. There is a Jan Wurzelbacher associated with a Joe and the address with the building I have pictured below. Earlier tonight I called the number associated with that address and the name Wurzelbacher Bros. and the machine message made no mention at all of any business.

Now to the Keating connection. As mentioned in a previous post the name Wurzelbacher is fairly uncommon so it’s not hard to track down potential connections just using geography and ages to make the likely connections. There is a Robert Wurzelbacher who died in 2004 (possibly deceased is more accurate) who is in the same area and is of an appropriate age to be a parent or uncle to Joe who according to reunion.com is 33. This Robert Wurzelbacher not only had a history of campaign contributions to republicans but is implicated in the Keating Five scandal. The full text of the article relating to this is below. There are other Wurzelbacher contributions to McCain and other republicans in other parts of the country. We are looking into those now. With the confirmation of the last name and the limit number of family members this looks very bad. There is also no such plumbing business listed or advertising and the number I called (I only called one so as not to disturb at a home number late at night) makes no effort to tell you that you have reached a business. This is looking very, very much like an act.

http://citizenworm.wordpress.com/

[Hekate]

73. Edited--found the page in another post. Ooooooooooooh my.

http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/

I hope the usual suspects at DU have already sent this to the morning shows that "Joe Werzelburger" (as McCain called him) is going to be on.

:evilgrin:

Hekate

[steve2470]

74. Joe Wurzelbacher of Shrewsbury Street in Springfield Township

'Joe the Plumber' is focus of presidential debate's first few minutes

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081016/NEWS09/810160418

By BRIDGET THARP and MARK ZABORNEY
BLADE STAFF WRITERS

The story of "Joe the Plumber" - Joe Wurzelbacher of Shrewsbury Street in Springfield Township - became a centerpiece of the early minutes of the presidential debate last night.
And Joe the Plumber became the subject of national and international interest.
Mr. Wurzelbacher, 34, was more interested in taking in the debate than in assessing his place in presidential politics.
"Honestly, I'm a small part of it," Mr. Wurzelbacher said. "They're just using me as an example right now for the American public. I think they're discussing more important is-sues."

He excused himself so he could finish watching Barack Obama and John McCain debate.

more at above link

[WePurrsevere]

76. Does anyone have membership to one of the "ancestory" type sites?

This may a way of tracking down the relationships. If I had the extra funds I'd hunt that way.

The last names being the same is a rather interesting "coincidence".

[eowyn_of_rohan]

98. 2 Samuel J Wurzelbachers - 1 in Toledo, 1 in Holland (Ohio)

Same guy?
Samuel J Wurzelbacher 355 Shrewsbury St Holland Ohio 43528
Samuel J Wurzelbacher 5768 Steffens Ave Toledo Ohio 43623

[kwassa]

114. The Toledo one is the one with the Arizona divorce

[eowyn_of_rohan]

116. Thanks. I think they are the same guy

[LiberalHeart]

203. They are. The Shrewsbury address is the current one.

[Higher Standard]

78. OMFG!!!

Absolutely nothing goes right for McGrumpy in this campaign. This one is a topper!

:rofl:

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

80. That was quick...

Watching the debate, I was thinking, "McCain had better pray that this guy doesn't have a history of DWI or domestic abuse."

This is even better.

[DeeDeeNY]

81. K & R

[Jennicut]

83. Is Joe the dumbass Plumber a plant?

Sounds like he is to me. Anyone else think so?

[harmonicon]

103. I sure thought so from the beginning - this seems to make it almost a certainty

[L. Coyote]

104. Is Joe a White House plumber? McCain's plumber? If so, which houses?

Is he living in Ohio and voting in AZ?
This could get interesting if Palin's Vetting Comm. considered this "plumber" to do this job! :rofl:

[WeDidIt]

85. Need to check to see if he's registered to vote in Arizona

He could easily be proved a ringer for McCain.

[psychmommy]

89. ok iffy or not. they are interviewing this clown on msnbc.

he admitted he is from ohio and has alot of relatives there. so i text msnbc the question. let's see if they act on it.

[Left Is Write]

91. I noticed Robert Wurzelbacher's contributions on Newsmeat last night.

Wondered if they were related.

[nichomachus]

93. The great thing here

is that before the blogs, they got away with this shit. It would have taken someone a year to track this down, if they did at all, and even then, most people wouldn't have heard about it.

[ShortnFiery]

97. Damn! His first name is SAM at that. "SAM I AM." Come back Dr. Seuss?!?

:rofl:

[LatteLibertine]

101. Yes

Someone please alert KO. If anyone can have fun with this sort of thing it would be him.

He really cracked me up last night by running the Batman vs the Penguin in a debate.

"Who's the Batman always hanging out with? Criiiminalssss!"

[nichomachus]

100. Apparently, Joe isn't even a plumber

TV station reportedly saying they can't find a plumber's license for him.

No link - just heard it from someone.

[DemReadingDU]

176. His first name is Samuel, and he's not a licensed plumber

Updated 3:20 p.m.
By Robert Barnes
Joe the Plumber is not exactly a plumber, he's "not even close" to making the kind of money that would result in higher taxes from Democrat Barack Obama's proposals and has such an aversion to taxes that a lien was filed against him by the state of Ohio.

Such is the whirlwind of information that has come out about Joe Wurzelbacher of Holland, Ohio, since Republican John McCain made him famous in last night's debate. McCain mentioned him more than 20 times to use him as a symbol of hard-working Americans who would be hurt by Obama's tax policies. Obama and Wurzelbacher met earlier in the week in Toledo, where Wurzelbacher said Obama's plans to raise taxes on those making $250,000 a year or more would penalize him in his plans to buy the plumbing business for which he works.

Wurzelbacher since then has been on Fox News, interviewed by CBS's Katie Couric and appeared on ABC's "Good Morning America."

Not all the attention has been welcomed. Wurzelbacher, 34, told the Associated Press that he was not a licensed plumber. Because he works for a small company that does residential work, he said, he doesn't need to be licensed.

Wurzelbacher, whose legal name is Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, owes the state of Ohio $1,182 in personal income taxes, according to tax records that show a lien for that amount filed against him in January 2007.

Wurzelbacher said he is of modest means, but worried Obama's tax plans would eventually hurt him. "You see my house. I don't have a lot of bells and whistles in here, really. My truck's a couple of years old and I'm going to have it for the next 10 years probably. So I don't see helping me out,'' he told reporters this morning.

He also sounded concerned about the attention he is receiving. "I'm completely flabbergasted with this whole thing and just hope I'm not making too much of a fool of myself and hope I can get my message out there," he said.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/16/joe_the_plumber_not_a_licensed.html?hpid=topnews

[grantcart]

102. I thought it was a joke

[FatherTime1408]

105. "Not Found-Sorry, but you are looking for something that isn't here."

Looks like you got their attention, they pulled it.

[Raksha]

122. I just tried the link and got the same message...

I guess they did pull it.

[SunsetDreams]

106. K&R!

[matt819]

108. This is appalling on so many levels

I would argue that the larger mishap here is the McCain camp's failure to make rational decisions based on the most up-to-date, factual information available, rather than shooting from the hip. Perhaps McCain can live with the consequences of this sort of decision making, as he has stated in one of his ghost-written books, but the American people cannot live with these consequences.

[ExPatLeftist]

109. I have been wondering,

since this guy spoke to Obama, whether he was a McCain plant from the get-go. Maybe a connection through the Keating clan?

[mcg]

111. Many big donations to GOP from Wurzelbacher's in Ohio ...

Many big donations to the GOP, mainly from Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio ...

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.php?name=Wurzelbacher&state=OH&zip=&employ=&cand=&all=Y&sort=N&capcode=sxdr8&submit=Submit

[mcg]

112. Wurzelbacher Brothers - family plumbing business in Ohio

I'm guessing that this family business is owned by relatives of Joe Wurzelbacher and that Joe is part of this business already.

Wurzelbacher Brothers - Cincinnati, OH - Septic Tanks & Systems

11260 Colerain Ave
Cincinnati, OH 45252

Wurzelbacher Richard R, Wurzelbacher Brothers Septic Tanks

http://www.yellowpages.com/info-LMS56712316/Wurzelbacher-Brothers?from=qpibp-mi

From
http://www.anywho.com

Wurzelbacher, Joseph
12172 Stone Mill Rd
Colerain Township, OH 45251

http://www.anywho.com/md.html?textAddress=12172%20Stone%20Mill%20Rd%20Colerain%20Township%20OH%2045251

http://www.anywho.com/md.html?textAddress=11260%20Colerain%20Ave%20Cincinnati%20OH%2045252

Look at maps of these addresses, they are only about 2 miles apart. Colerain Township is really part of Cincinnati.

If I'm correct, it looks like Joe is already set up nicely to be a business owner, if he isn't already one.

[crickets]

132. Septic tanks--how appropriate.

Geez, nobody could make up stuff this funny if they tried. :rofl:

[mcg]

143. Oops, different Joe. Joe lives in Holland, OH, and

works for a different company. They might be relatives though.

[PassingFair]

174. Here's a yellow page ad that gives license numbers....

Behold:

[Boo Boo]

113. The guy was a plant.

The McCain campaign set this thing up. He admits he's not undecided. He's a registered Republican. His story is straight out of a McCain campaign talking point, magically nailing the 250,000 dollar limit. They have his phone number...

John McCain runs a lousy operation. This is gonna blow up in his face just like every other lame-ass stunt his people try to pull.

Maybe he should announce that he's suspending his campaign until Joe the Plumber comes clean.

[serrano2008]

115. honestly, how many people know enough about Socialism to accuse someone of it?

I could ask 100 random people I come across today if they know what "Socialism" is and I promise you that 95% or more wouldn't know what it is. Sure, we here at DU know, and others who follow politics CLOSELY but the average plumber isn't gonna know.

So, when Joe accuses Obama of being a "Socialist" that was the first thing that was strange to me. While the Bush Admin is in Warshington buying up banks, they wanted this plant on TV the day before the debate accusing Obama of being a Socialist. This guy has GOT to be a plant.

[johnlal]

117. Parlock!

[Kalifornia.Kid]

118. Somebody find and post a photo of Dan Akroyd as the plumber on SNL

Open season on plumber jokes thanks to Joe.

[thomhartmann]

119. Was Joe a Wifebeater?

I've gotten a few emails from listeners citing "Stateof Ohio vs. Joseph Wurzelbacher" in domestic violence cases. 3/3/2004, 2/10/2003, 2/2/1998. Case numbers C/03/CRB/4412, DV0400222, and no case number listed for the 98 case. Is this the same guy and are these real cases or is this some slime attempt? Apparently these are public records and easily searched, if the emails are to be believed (and they often aren't)...

Thom

[DearAbby]

151. Goodness, this is getting real interesting...thank god for "The google"

[LiberalHeart]

204. Do not believe it. That battered women's reference is tacked onto all divorce court cases here.

It is not related to the people in the divorce action.

[nc4bo]

120. Omg - another gift that keeps giving. LOL! nt

[Rosa Luxemburg]

121. what a find!!!! Keith O must be having a good show tonight

and SNL - I can't wait!

[gauguin57]

123. Well, the cable channels have already turned him into a national hero (Joe Plumber, that is)

... they're obsessing about how many Web sites and blog posts are dedicated to him ... how the "joetheplumber.com" website (owned by some plumber named Joe down in Texas) is getting offers, etc.

Won't all these people be disappointed when they learn it's all a damned setup!

[gauguin57]

124. Well, I posted the Daily Kos reference on CNN... we'll see if the MSM looks into this.

But Joe the Plumber will have a showbiz agent by the end of the day, so it'll probably not do any good.

[Myrina]

126. Wait, I thought Joe was one of Ted Stevens' Contractor buddies ...

;)

[gauguin57]

127. "Joe the Plumber is related to whom ...?"

"You're all fired!"

[Pyrzqxgl]

128. Are Joe The Plumber & Joe Sixpack the same guy?

[nichomachus]

131. You younger folks won't understand this, but

when I think if Joe the Plumber, I think of Josephine the Plumber

[zogofzorkon]

145. Thanks for posting this

It was my first thought too. Remember the television ads, classic stuff.

[lonestarnot]

133. OMG! ROFLMAO

[DrZeeLit]

134. somebody needs to do a "mastercard ad" cuz this is PRICELESS. LMAO.

[mzmolly]

135. Rec # 100.

Get this to the media folks!

[cyberpj]

136. Another connection?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7477619&mesg_id=7477619

[Joanne98]

137. The six degrees of Charles Keating but it's only fair...

Since they keep using the six degrees of Barrack Obama. See how they like it.

[ZeitGuy]

138. They might be blocking linking from DU, so try...

...copying/pasting this ENTIRE link directly into a web browser to read the story:

http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/15/joe-the-plumber-wurzelbacher-related-to-charles-keating-oops/

Right-click on link, select "Copy Shortcut," then paste in URL search bar.

[SemperEadem]

142. hmmmm... one doesn't need fire; the smoke is sufficient...

just a little more digging in the public records for marriage, births, etc., will uncover just how close a relation Joe and Robert are. It's not like their last name is Jones or Smith.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

144. I had a feeling “Joe the Plumber” was a plant.

I though it was a very lucky coincidence for John McCain to be able to get on tape (just days before a debate) an “Average Joe” who could be affected by Obama’s tax hike. Now really, how many plumbers make more than $250k a year?

[shotten99]

146. Easy does it

Eisenstadt Group doesn't appear to be legit!
HOAX WARNINGS ABOUND FOR THIS ASSWIPE.
TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE!

[Blue_Roses]

161. I saw that in another thread...

not sure what to think about "Joe the Plumber" but one thing is for sure: he supports McCain and is an asshole-(okay two things)

he owes back taxes, has been arrested for domestic violence three times, so he's not exactly a guy McCain needs to use as the "all-around-Joe"...in fact, this reeks even more because of all the "stuff" we've now found out about this asshole.

[texrednface]

148. Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher in Maricopa ,Ar

Ancestry.com shows a Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher in Maricopa ,Ar. I let my subscription to that site lapse this month so I can't get any more info. Anyone have a subcription to Ancestry.com may be able to find a link to the families.

[GinaMaria]

150. OMG! what just bit my ass? -J. McCain

that would be Karma.

[WA98070]

152. According to Sarah we're all related to Adam and Eve so what's the big deal.

[yy4me]

162. Laughing my head off, can't help it. Revenge is sweet. n/t

[keekers]

163. Battered women shelter fee divorce in 2008 Case No: DR19970476 vs WURZELBACHER/SAMUEL/J

http://apps.co.lucas.oh.us/onlinedockets/DocketDR.aspx?STYPE=1&PAR=DR19970476&STARTDATE=01/01/1900&ENDDATE=01/01/2100&PARTY=D,1

LUCAS COUNTY COURT OF COMMON PLEAS
DOMESTIC RELATION DIVISION
J. BERNIE QUILTER, CLERK
429 N. MICHIGAN STREET
TOLEDO, OHIO

Appearance Docket
DR19970476
TIME: 5:04:38 PM
DATE: 10/16/2008
Case No: DR19970476 WURZELBACHER/JENNIFER/P vs WURZELBACHER/SAMUEL/J
Filing Date: 3/28/1997
Type: DIVORCE
Judge: LEWANDOWSKI/DAVID/
Status: POST DECREE
Party Counsel
Plaintiff:
WURZELBACHER JENNIFER P
7671 EAST TANG VE VERDE'
APT 429
TUSCON AZ 857150000 RUST JOHN G
4628 LEWIS AVENUE
TOLEDO AZ 857150000
Defendant:
WURZELBACHER SAMUEL J
7671 EAST TANG VE VERDE'
APT 429
TUCSON AZ 857150000
Docket Code Date
Description
Amount
OBAL 3/28/1997 COST APPLIED TO : CLRS (10000140) 3.00
OBAL 3/28/1997 COST APPLIED TO : LEGAL NEWS (10000130) 10.00
OBAL 3/28/1997 COST APPLIED TO : SHELTER (10000260) 32.00
OBAL 3/28/1997 COST APPLIED TO : COURT COSTS (10000100) 30.00
OBAL 3/28/1997 COST APPLIED TO : BATTERED WOMEN (3%) - COUNTY (10000230) 10.00
OBAL 3/28/1997 COST APPLIED TO : COMPUTERIZATION (10000250) 10.00
OBAL 3/28/1997 COST APPLIED TO : SPECIAL INVESTIGATION (10000190) 50.00
OBAL 3/28/1997 COST APPLIED TO : MICROFILM (10000210) 10.00
GEN 3/28/1997 COMPLAINT FOR DIVORCE FILED
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GEN 3/28/1997 SUMMONS & COPY OF COMP. SENT CERT. MAIL #P169-051-664 TO: SAMUEL WURZELBACHER, 30 DERBYSHIRE RD. TOLEDO, OH. 43615.
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[Blaq Dem]

165. Thanks for the evidence

There's no way he can spin this.

[KrazyinKS]

166. Good Sell Job

You have got to admit, the Repubs have managed to sell the
working class that Obama is going to tax them, and
redistribute their wealth.  My husband come home yesterday and
said the truck drivers there (average pay about 40K) think
Obama is going to take all their money and redistribute it. 
That is so stupid, I was left speachless, and that doesn't
happen too often. I mean they haven't figured out that the
Repugs just did that.  Average Joe my A**

[A-Schwarzenegger]

167. Any substance yet to this 126-recommended thread?

:*

[TheManagement]

170. WOW

If you run the 3 addresses under John McCain's name and then run the address for Sam J Wurzelbacher in AZ, all 3 addresses under John McCain name in AZ are within 25 mins of where this guy supposedly used to live and one of them is 2.5mi (8 mins) away

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&saddr=1960+W+KEATING+AVE+APT+150,+MESA+AZ [phone]&daddr=4703+S+Lakeshore+Dr+%23+1,+Tempe,+AZ+85 282+(McCain+John+Senator)&hl=en&geocode=%3BCbbTyW4 YTYXOFUdY_QEdcTdU-SFP_Oua3-3eMg&mra=pe&mrcr=0&sll=33.447598,-111.962604&sspn=0.168728,0.363922&ie=UTF8&z=15&lay er=c&pw=2

[Tansy_Gold]

214. Just about anything in the Phoenix metro area is

an hour or less away from everything else. I happen to live about 2.5 miles away from $10M homes. It sure don't mean I know any of the people who live in 'em!


In looking at some of the reference material posted on this thread I just have to shake my head in appalled amusement.

that street in tucson? something like "tang ve verde'"? Probably Tanque Verde. I know it's copied from some official website. Info was probably originally scanned, not entered.

Someone posts about addresses in "Maricopa, Ar." Probably Maricopa County, AZ

Folks, if you don't know anything about Arizona geography, DON'T SPECULATE ABOUT IT AND MAKE YOURSELVES LOOK STUPID. There are enough Arizonans on this board who can give sensible responses.



Tansy Gold

[BrklynLiberal]

171. At this point I have to wonder if his name is really Joe!!!

So many other facts about him turned out to be false...

[DemReadingDU]

173. His first name is Samuel, and he's not a licensed plumber

Updated 3:20 p.m.
By Robert Barnes
Joe the Plumber is not exactly a plumber, he's "not even close" to making the kind of money that would result in higher taxes from Democrat Barack Obama's proposals and has such an aversion to taxes that a lien was filed against him by the state of Ohio.

Such is the whirlwind of information that has come out about Joe Wurzelbacher of Holland, Ohio, since Republican John McCain made him famous in last night's debate. McCain mentioned him more than 20 times to use him as a symbol of hard-working Americans who would be hurt by Obama's tax policies. Obama and Wurzelbacher met earlier in the week in Toledo, where Wurzelbacher said Obama's plans to raise taxes on those making $250,000 a year or more would penalize him in his plans to buy the plumbing business for which he works.

Wurzelbacher since then has been on Fox News, interviewed by CBS's Katie Couric and appeared on ABC's "Good Morning America."

Not all the attention has been welcomed. Wurzelbacher, 34, told the Associated Press that he was not a licensed plumber. Because he works for a small company that does residential work, he said, he doesn't need to be licensed.

Wurzelbacher, whose legal name is Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, owes the state of Ohio $1,182 in personal income taxes, according to tax records that show a lien for that amount filed against him in January 2007.

Wurzelbacher said he is of modest means, but worried Obama's tax plans would eventually hurt him. "You see my house. I don't have a lot of bells and whistles in here, really. My truck's a couple of years old and I'm going to have it for the next 10 years probably. So I don't see helping me out,'' he told reporters this morning.

He also sounded concerned about the attention he is receiving. "I'm completely flabbergasted with this whole thing and just hope I'm not making too much of a fool of myself and hope I can get my message out there," he said.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/16/joe_the_plumber_not_a_licensed.html?hpid=topnews

[BrklynLiberal]

175. AHA! That is so funny. Poor McSame...If he had any luck at all, it would be bad.

and I think it is too late...the guy has already made a fool of himself by showing his ignorance about Obama's tax plans.

[mother earth]

177. Just when you think you've heard it all!!!! LOL!!! Great scoop!

Sending this to everyone I know!:kick:

[anneboleyn]

180. THIS and the domestic abuse arrests need to be sent everywhere!

[LiberalHeart]

205. He does NOT have a domestic abuse arrest. That's another guy in another city.

[cascadiance]

190. Maybe we should check for E. Howard Hunt Connections. Might explain "The Plumber" name!

:)

[crossroads]

194. Well 'Hello" - isn't this a great find? Thank you! K&R

[sarah FAILIN]

196. Anyone have anything to show the relationship

Anyone have anything to show the relationship between Robert and Joe yet?

[A-Schwarzenegger]

197. Both Robert and Joe are close relation to Johnny Gan, millionaire.

I can see media surrounding Johnny Gan's house.

[rolfboy]

198. AND he's not even a licensed plumber and owes $1200 in back taxes

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RTEH80

this story keeps getting better and better...
enjoy
robert

[WorseBeforeBetter]

199. And he makes $40K/year and isn't in any talks to buy the business.

At least according to Countdown. I imagine a video will be up soon...

[Life Long Dem]

201. Just a coincidence.

:sarcasm:

[texastoast]

207. Did Eisenstardt cut and run?

Methinks the link is down.

On edit:

I just got it here:

http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/15/joe-the-plumber-wurzelbacher-related-to-charles-keating-oops/

[ladywnch]

208. KO covered this tonight and said he is NOT related to Robert

Wurzelbacher so Joe is NOT related to Keating....unfortunately

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

209. 140 morans recommended an obviously bogus story. Great.

[lonestarnot]

211. hmmmf.

[Blue_Roses]

216. well it isn't the first time...

this just kind of took on a life all it's own. We are a very excitable bunch these days:D This TWO YEAR election is about to drive us all loony. After the drought years under Bush's rule, I guess it has left us giddy and paranoid. So what? We found out a lot about our "Sam the plumber" who is of no significance to us, however, I'm sure he is to the tax lien he owes. So why does John McCain keep making him the poster boy for change and why do we keep taking the bait? Simply, he is desperate--and actually, so are we. We cannot stand the thought of more republican rule in this country.

I have to say, after six years of being a member at DU and many posts later, I've never had a response quite like this to something that I initially posted as a rhetorical question/comment. These are indeed desperate times when we (me included) spend this much time on a guy that is a rwing racist tool.:crazy:

[OU812MonkeyBoy]

215. Looks As If Joe The Plumber...

...has pissed off the REAL plumbers of my hometown.

http://www.qctimes.com/articles/2008/10/16/news/local/doc48f800309c04d838319567.txt?sPos=1

Joe the Plumber, meet Jeff the Plumber.

Jeff Liske is a business agent for the Plumbers and Pipefitters Union Local 25 in Rock Island. He wants people to know that although Republican presidential nominee John McCain used your story to illustrate why people should vote for him, you do not represent all plumbers.

“He’s a businessman, not necessarily Joe the working man,” Liske said of Joe Wurzelbacher, an Ohio plumber mentioned by McCain several times during Wednesday night’s debate with Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama. “McCain was trying to manipulate ‘Joe the Plumber’ to mean the working man is not for Barack Obama, which, of course, we are.”

Liske noted that the United Association of Plumbers and Pipefitters was the first of the trade unions to endorse Obama, a U.S. senator from Chicago.

During the debate, McCain told the story of Wurzelbacher while arguing that he has a better economic plan than Obama. Wurzelbacher was cited by McCain, a U.S. senator from Arizona, as an example of someone who wants to buy a plumbing business but would be hurt by Obama’s tax plan.

“Joe wants to buy the business that he has been in for all of these years, worked 10, 12 hours a day. And he wanted to buy the business, but he looked at your tax plan and he saw that he was going to pay much higher taxes,” McCain said to Obama.

On Sunday in Toledo, Wurzelbacher told Obama during a campaign stop that he was preparing to buy the business, which earns more than $250,000 a year, and said: “Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn’t it?”

Under his plan, Obama said, any revenue exceeding $250,000 would be subject to a 39 percent tax instead of the current tax rate of 36 percent.

Although Liske said most working plumbers and apprentices being trained at the union hall support Obama, some owners of small plumbing businesses in the Quad-City area said they sympathize with Wurzelbacher and support McCain.

“Obama is not going to attack the little guy, he’s going to attack business,” said Joel Dohrmann of Dohrmann Plumbing, Heating and Excavating in DeWitt, Iowa. “If they raise taxes on us, it’s going to relate to what we have to charge.”

Bob Tappendorf of Tappendorf Plumbing & Heating in Bettendorf agreed.

“We’re trying to hold costs down. Labor rates are up, materials are up and the last thing we need is higher taxes,” he said. “It’s a day-to-day battle trying to get jobs and have people afford to hire you. It’s not just a given that you’re going to have work for your employees next month.”

Meanwhile, plumbers interviewed for this story said they received calls all day from friends and customers ribbing them about being used as an example of the ultimate common American.

“We’re the ones you see in the ditches,” said Chad Dawson, an organizer for the Illinois Pipe Trades Association.

At the union hall in Rock Island, workers passed around a flier that proclaimed, “Vote Joe The Plumber ’08.” The flier, which Liske said someone got off the Internet, used a logo similar to Obama’s with the words “Flush John McCain” beneath it.

“It’s been a steady joke,” Liske said. “Everybody’s looking for Joe.”

[Tigress DEM]

217. AT 1/4 Million the tax hike is a whopping 3% more. Think it's going to break him.

BUT there is also the tax break for hiring full time employees AND all businesses get to write off their "losses" the first year or two anyway because it's a given that starting a business is difficult and for the real benefit to the communities rewards are given to those who take on the challenge.

"Joe" will have to work smarter and run his business plan through a couple of scenarios instead of just jumping in with both feet.

[billyoc]

218. 145 recs, yep, must be bullshit.

:rofl:

[go west young man]

219. Now for some comic relief in regards to Joe (or whatever his name is.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQv2YHnS18M

[Turbineguy]

221. Get it here:

http://www.teefury.com/