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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 03:44 PM
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"My friends, the high road may be harder, but it leads to a better place."
"And that's why Republicans and Democrats must make this election a contest of big ideas, not small-minded attacks. This is our time to reject the kind of politics calculated to divide race from race, group from group, region from region. Maybe some just see us divided into red states and blue states, but I see us as one America red, white, and blue. And when I am President, the government I lead will enlist people of talent, Republicans as well as Democrats, to find the common ground so that no one who has something to contribute will be left on the sidelines."

Sen. Kerry's Convention Speech
Thursday, 29-Jul-2004

http://usti.net/home/news/clari/news/wed/an/Acvn-kerry-...
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 03:46 PM
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1. The high road leads back to Massachusetts, the low road to Washington DC
:)
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 03:48 PM
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3. Sad statement
I wouldn't follow you there.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 03:53 PM
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5. Do you think politics are going to get less or more dirty in the future?
Edited on Sat Sep-04-04 03:54 PM by Democat
Maybe the pendulum will swing back, but it looks right now like politics will continue to get more and more dirty. If that's the case, then our option is to fight dirty or remain as we are, the party who controls no branches of government.

Do I like it? No. Do I want to win at all legal cost? Yes.

Taking the high road and losing means more dead people, more poor people, more people without healthcare, medicine, and education.

What is more sad to you - winning on the low road or allowing Republicans to ruin people's lives so we can feel good about ourselves?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:10 PM
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7. Clinton was hard hitting but he never wallowed in the slime
I can't speak to what you want because you continually claim that the Kerry campaign hasn't hit back. That is preposterous in the face of the evidence that I and others have presented here and elsewhere. But, you continue with your rote no matter what the day or what the posture or efforts of our candidate. You tout the strength and effectiveness of the republican slime and smears and denigrate the strong, principled campaign of our nominee as weak and inneffective. When we prevail I will be able to look my children and my neighbors in the eye satisfied that I supported a man who will represent us all with dignity and comity. United we stand.
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:32 PM
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14. I'm not asking for slime. I am asking that Bush be held
accountable for his lost year in the TANG.
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nyhuskyfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 07:58 PM
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35. I put this in another thread....
But it works even better here.

Ideally, our candidates would try to be positive, discuss where they stand on the issues, offer some insights, and, yes, once in awhile, criticize the other person for their policies and their plans. Realistically, though, the vast majority of the American people completely tune out on matters of economic policy as soon as they hear the words "economic policy". They need simple smears -- and a platform that can fit on a bumper sticker "More Bombs, Less Taxes". Our party, for all its strengths, can't simplify everything it stands for.

The challenge of trying to enlighten and raise the consciousness of 50 million people by staying above the fray is nearly impossible, but noble. It is less noble to get in the gutter, but in this culture, its more effective. The candidate who comes along one day who can just simply run on ideas and charisma and an honest, optimistic platform without the attacks and smears will be a revolutionary. I hope I see him in my lifetime. I don't want to put too much pressure on Barack Obama just yet, but he has that spark about him -- that's why the GOP sent a hatchet man to run against him to start chopping away now and weakening him for later. So far, it hasn't worked.

The problem we run into is that the Republicans are experts at gutter politics. It's like the old saying -- never wrestle with a pig, you both just get dirty and the pig likes it. I was hoping that Kerry would be able to win by taking the high road most of the time, but it may take some trips to the gutter. I wish it wasn't that way, but it is -- and that's a shame,
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volosong Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 07:18 PM
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28. The "High Road" for Kerry = Oblivion
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 03:48 PM
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2. We don't have to lie or
blatantly smear the Repukes. Just the truth is bad enough for them. I see nothing wrong with that, it's been kept from the public by the media for four years and telling the truth is more than enough.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 03:52 PM
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4. "The politics of failure have failed. We need to make them work again."
"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but
tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward,
and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom."

http://www.snpp.com/episodes/4F02.html

Sorry. Just had a Simpsons flashback again.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 03:59 PM
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6. "Abortions for all!!!" "BOO!" "All right. Abortions for none!!!" "BOO!"
"Very well then. Abortions for some; miniature American flags for others!" "YAY!!!"
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:17 PM
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8. LOL. . . I haven't seen that one in a long time :) n/t
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:22 PM
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9. You Have To Take The Low Road To Get To At Those Who Live Along It.
Rove, Bush and the other lowlife live along the Low Road. If they insult your honor and you want to call them out, you have to go down the Low Road to knock on their doors.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:26 PM
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10. Clinton never took the low road
He had the same bunch of cretins opposing him. Look at his convention speeches, his own and the one he gave at Kerry's convention. High road. We don't have to become slime to defeat slime.
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:28 PM
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11. Clinton never took any shit either
This is a statement of surrender.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:30 PM
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13. Show me where Clinton said anything nasty
He had his surrogates do that, and he stayed on message.

Remember, "It's the economy, (stupid)."
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 10:35 PM
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45. Clinton was a different day and he was different

When you see "The Hunting Of The President" it is clear that Clinton learned how to roll in the political gutter with vicious pigs in Arkansas!

Kerry was in Vietnam. Now he at WAR with the NeoCons. The Bushcrooks under Rove are like nothing we have ever seen before. For four years we have watched these vipers ruin this country. Since 2000, we now know that they will steal this election too.

All gloves and all bets are off now! This is not an election it is a WAR for the Ballot Box.

How we would love to take the high road and Kerry can take it. John Edwards can take the high road - but the foot soldier CAN NOT TAKE THE HIGH ROAD.

James Carville was a Pit Bull and he did not, in my opinion, dwell in smears. He came out swinging every day! He did not take one ounce of crap from ANYBODY who dared to attack Clinton. That's why Clinton looked cleaned.



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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 04:00 AM
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48. Yet Clinton never took large swipes at his opponents.
Edited on Sun Sep-05-04 04:00 AM by bigtree
He was measured in his responses. Any reading of his history will bear that out. It's not at all different from what I am advocating, to have the campaign and the surrogates attack and have Kerry and Edwards, to a lesser extent, stay focused on the issues and concerns that most matter to people's lives.
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:30 PM
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12. Asking Bush to account for his lost year in TANG is not the low
road. It is a quest for the truth. Kerry won't win unless he does it.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:33 PM
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15. He has, in April. Now he correctly has surrogates do that and he keeps on
message.


http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0427b.html

Key Unanswered Questions: Bush’s Record In The National Guard
For Immediate Release

“If George Bush wants to ask me questions about that through his surrogates, he owes America an explanation about whether or not he showed up for duty in the National Guard. Prove it. That's what we ought to have. I'm not going to stand around and let them play games.” -- John Kerry, NBC News, 4/26/04


Bush Has Said He Used No Special Treatment To Get Into The Guard. How Does He Explain The Fact That He Jumped Ahead Of 150 Applicants Despite Low Pilot Aptitude Scores?

Col. Albert Lloyd Said A Report From Alabama To Ellington Should Have Been Filed. Where Is That Report?

Why Did Bush Miss His Medical Exam In 1972?

Where Are The Complete Results Of The Required Investigation Into Bush’s Absence From The Exam?

Why Did Bush Specifically Request To NOT Be Sent Overseas For Duty?

Why Does The White House Say Bush Was On Base When Bush’s Superiors Had Filed A Report Saying He Was Gone For A Whole Year?

Why Is The Pentagon Under Orders To Not Discuss Bush’s Record With Reporters?

Where Are Bush’s Flight Logs?

Why Hasn’t Bush Himself Demonstrated That He Showed Up For Service in Alabama?

Bush Has Said He Used No Special Treatment To Get Into The Guard. How Does He Explain The Fact That He Jumped Ahead Of 150 Applicants Despite Low Pilot Aptitude Scores?
“There was no special treatment.”

--Then-Gov. George W. Bush

FACT: With Family Connection, Bush Got Coveted Slot in Texas Guard Shortly After Graduating from College.

A family friend of Bush’s father pulled strings to secure Bush’s spot; Bush joined the Texas Air National Guard after his student deferment ran out when he graduated from Yale in 1968. Before he graduated, Bush personally visited Col. Walter “Buck” Staudt -- the commander of the Texas Air National Guard -- to talk about the Guard. After Bush met with Staudt, he applied and was quickly accepted -- despite a waiting list of over 150 applicants. Staudt recommended Bush for a direct appointment, which allowed Bush to become a second lieutenant right out of basic training without having to go though officer candidate school. The direct appointment also cleared the way for a position in pilot training school.

FACT: Bush Scored in 25th Percentile on Pilot Aptitude Test. When Bush applied for the Guard, his score on the Air Force pilot aptitude section, one of five on the test, was in the 25th percentile, the lowest allowed for would-be fliers.

FACT: No Shortage of Pilots in Texas Guard. Although a Bush spokesman claimed Bush was fast-tracked because the Guard needed pilots, Charles C. Shoemake, a chief of personnel in the Texas Guard from 1972 to 1980 remembered no such shortage. “We had so many people coming in who were super-qualified,” Shoemake said. Texas Guard Historian Tom Hail said there was no apparent need to fast-track applicants. “I’ve never heard of that,” he said. “Generally they did that for doctors only, mostly because we needed extra flight surgeons.” Col. Albert Lloyd Said A Report From Alabama To Ellington Should Have Been Filed. Where Is That Report?

FACT: Col. Lloyd: Guard Records Should Include Evidence Of Alabama Service. Lloyd also said he did not know whether Bush performed duty in Alabama. “If he did, his drill attendance should have been certified and sent to Ellington, and there would have been a record.”

FACT: White House’s Own Expert Said Bush Should Have Done More. According to the Globe, “the White House included with the documents a memorandum from a Texas Air National Guard personnel specialist stating that the documents prove that Bush had a ‘satisfactory year’ for ‘retirement/retention’ purposes between May 27, 1972, and May 26, 1973. But that specialist, retired Lieutenant Colonel Albert C. Lloyd Jr., acknowledged in an interview last night that he evaluated Bush using the lower of two measures for rating Guard service. Guardsmen, he said, needed to serve more days to meet minimum-training requirements than to meet the lower threshold to receive retirement credit for the year. ‘Should he have done more? Yes, he should have,’ Lloyd said of Bush, who was a fighter-interceptor pilot. ‘Did he have to? No.’” Why Did Bush Miss His Medical Exam In 1972?

FACT: Bush Was Suspended From Flight Duty For Failing To Take Mandated Medical Exam.

On September 29, 1972, Bush was officially suspended from flying for missing his annual medical examination. The orders note that Bush’s suspension is authorized under the guidelines presented in Air Force Manual 35-12 Para 2-29m, which reads that Bush’s local commander “will direct an investigation as to why the individual failed to accomplish the medical examination.” Where Are The Complete Results Of The Required Investigation Into Bush’s Absence From The Exam?

FACT: The order suspending Bush from flight duty stated: “Verbal orders of the Comdr on 1 Aug 72 suspending 1STLT George W. Bush…from flying status are confirmed…Reason for Suspension: Failure to accomplish annual medical examination. Off will comply with para 2-10, AFM 35-13. Authority: Para 2-29m, AFM 35-13.

Para 2-29m, AFM 35-13: “When a Rated Officer Fails To Accomplish a Medical Examination Prescribed by AFM 160-1…(1)The local commander who has authority to convene a Flying Evaluation Board will direct an investigation as to why the individual failed to accomplish the medical examination. After reviewing the findings of the investigation, the local commander may convene a Flying Evaluation Board or forward through command channels a detailed report of the circumstances which resulted in the officer’s failure to accomplish a medical examination, along with a recommendation that the suspension be removed. (2) The individual’s major command will forward the report along with the command recommendation to USAFMPC/DPMAJD, Randolph AFB TX 78148 for final determination.” Why Did Bush Specifically Request NOT To Be Sent Overseas For Duty?

FACT: Bush’s Application Indicated Bush Did Not Volunteer for Overseas Duty. On Bush’s application to the 147th Fighter Group at Ellington Air Force Base in Texas, Bush was asked what his “Area Assignment Preferences” were. Bush checked the box beside “Do Not Volunteer” for overseas duty. Why Does The White House Say Bush Was On Base When Bush’s Superiors Had Filed A Report Saying He Was Gone For A Whole Year?

FACT: Bush’s Superiors Were Unable to Evaluate Him for a Full Year, Saying he “Has Not Been Observed at This Unit…”
May 2, 1973: Bush’s superior officers William D. Harris Jr. and Jerry B. Killian, wrote on his yearly evaluation form, “Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period of report,” and that a “civilian occupation made it necessary for him to move to Montgomery, Alabama. He cleared this base on 15 May 1972 and has been performing equivalent training in a non flying status with the 187 Tac Recon Gp, Dannelly ANG Base, Alabama.”

…But the White House Claims Bush was on Base the Same Day Superiors Filed Report.
White House release says Bush was paid on May 2, 1973, the very day his superiors reported that “Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period of report.” <2nd Q 1973 pay record>

FACT: Bush’s Superior Officer Says He Would Have Known If Bush Had Reported for Duty.
November 12, 1973: Rufus G. Martin signed a report on Bush’s evaluation, saying Bush was “Not rated for the period 1 May 72 through 30 April 73.”

Boston Globe: “But retired colonel Martin, the unit's former administrative officer, said he too thought Bush had been in Alabama for that entire year. Harris and Killian, he said, would have known if Bush returned to duty at Ellington.”

Why Is The Pentagon Under Orders Not To Discuss Bush’s Record With Reporters?
FACT: Freedom of Information Officers Under Orders From Senior Pentagon Officials To Ignore Requests on Bush Files. According to the Spokane Spokesman-Review, “at the National Guard Bureau, now headed by a Bush appointee from Texas, officials last week said they were under orders not to answer questions. The bureau's chief historian said he couldn't discuss questions about Bush's military service on orders from the Pentagon. ‘If it has to do with George W. Bush, the Texas Air National Guard or the Vietnam War, I can't talk with you,’ said Charles Gross, chief historian for the National Guard Bureau in Washington, D.C. Rose Bird, Freedom of Information Act officer for the bureau, said her office stopped taking records requests on Bush's military service in mid-February and is directing all inquiries to the Pentagon. She would not provide a reason. Air Force and Texas Air National Guard officials did not respond to written questions about the issue. James Hogan, a records coordinator at the Pentagon, said senior Defense Department officials had directed the National Guard Bureau not to respond to questions about Bush's military records.”


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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:40 PM
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16. It can't be done in the dark corner of a web site
i'm tired of you people pointing out the stuff on his site. it makes it worse to know they know the guy went awol and they still won't publicly challenge him on it. kerry has to get up in his face and make him respond.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:45 PM
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17. These releases were offered to media outlets. Some chose to ignore them,
Edited on Sat Sep-04-04 04:53 PM by bigtree
Kerry has used every instigation to challenge Bush. I don't know where you get your news.

Kerry Criticizes Bush for Space Vision
http://www.space.com/spacenews/kerry_040616.html

Kerry criticizes Bush on military record
http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/26kerry.html

Kerry criticizes Bush for failed policies
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/8202438.htm...

NPR : Kerry Criticizes Bush on Iraq
http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1842198

USATODAY.com - Kerry criticizes Bush on Iraq, treatment of U.S. veterans
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/2003-08-...

Yahoo! News - Kerry Criticizes Bush's Military Policy
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/200...

Kerry Criticizes Bush's Iraq Policy (phillyBurbs.com)
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/32-03182004-2664...

Kerry Criticizes Bush Policy On Haiti
http://www.mattapanonline.org/Kerry_on%20Haiti.htm

Report: Kerry Criticizes Bush Foreign Policy
http://www.evote.com/News/EV05202002B.html

washingtonpost.com: Kerry Criticizes President, Then Undergoes Surgery
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A40572-2004Mar...

KSL News: Kerry Criticizes Bush Over Gay Marriage
http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?sid=77296&nid=6

ABC 7 News - Kerry Criticizes Bush on U.S. Security
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0304/132238.html

Democratic Underground Forums - Kerry Criticizes Bush's Definition of Values
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

washingtonpost.com: Kerry Criticizes Bush For Attacks on Clarke
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A29991-2004Mar...

Kerry Criticizes Bush for Red Carpet Expense
http://www.townhall.com/news/politics/200406/POL2004061...

Yahoo! News - Kerry Criticizes Bush on Saudi Meeting
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&e=7...

RightNation.US -> Kerry Criticizes Bush for Red Carpet Expense
http://www.rightnation.us/forums/index.php?showtopic=42...

Kerry criticizes Bush for siding with drug companies in new ad
http://www.wtvo.com/Global/story.asp?S=1533926

USATODAY.com - Kerry criticizes Bush on meeting with Saudi leader
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/p...

SignOnSanDiego.com > News > Politics -- Kerry criticizes Bush's Daytona 'photo opportunity'
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20040216-14...

Kerry criticizes Bush on Iraq, treatment of U.S. veterans
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archi...

SignOnSanDiego.com > News > Politics -- Kerry criticizes Bush over oil report
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20040419-15...

FOXNews.com - You Decide 2004 - Kerry Criticizes Bush, Cheney on Military
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C118380%2C00.htm...

ABC 7 News - Kerry Criticizes Bush for Bioethics Panel
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0204/129618.html

Kerry criticizes U.S. oil policies during Seattle campaign swing
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/175067_kerrystate.h...

AP Wire | 07/10/2003 | Kerry Criticizes Bush on Education
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/62...

FOXNews.com - You Decide 2004 - Kerry Criticizes 'Separate and Unequal' Schools
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C120098%2C00.htm...

Kerry criticizes Bush on nuclear threat, outlines plan to slow spread
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8812087.htm?...

AP Wire | 03/17/2004 | Kerry criticizes Bush for failed policies
http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/8202438.htm

AP Wire | 03/14/2003 | Kerry Criticizes Bush on Diplomacy
http://www.dfw.com/mld/state/5388491.htm

KTVU.com - Politics - Kerry Criticizes 'Saudi-George Bush' Gas Tax
http://www.ktvu.com/politics/3346936/detail.html

News-Leader.com | True Ozarks | Kerry criticizes Bush on stem-cell, science policies
http://www.news-leader.com/_tuesday/0622-Kerrycriti-117...

Kerry criticizes Bush over gay marriage, broken promises after winning three more states
http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm18597_20040225.h...

The Seattle Times: Kerry criticizes Bush's record on jobs, health care, terror
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/text/2001863810_campai...

The Seattle Times: Kerry criticizes firing of worker over photo
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/text/2001912775_iraqdi...

Kerry Campaign Criticizes Those Who Defend 'Outsourcing'
http://www.townhall.com/news/politics/200407/POL2004070...

KRT Wire | 07/15/2004 | Kerry criticizes Bush for rejection of NAACP invite
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/politics/9165213.htm

KR Washington Bureau | 07/16/2004 | Kerry criticizes Bush for intelligence failures in Iraq
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/9174072.htm

KRT Wire | 03/17/2004 | Kerry Criticizes Bush for Failing to Protect Troops in Iraq
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/national/...

KSAT.com - News - Kerry Criticizes Bush During Speech In S.A.
http://www.ksat.com/news/2430649/detail.html

Capitol Hill Watch | Sen. Kerry Criticizes Wait List for Veterans Seeking Health Services
http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cf...

The Salt Lake Tribune -- Kerry criticizes Bush for failing to rally more allies
http://www.sltrib2002.com/2004/Jun/06292004/nation_w/17...

t r u t h o u t - Senator Kerry Criticizes U.S. Tactics
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/9174072.htm

Kerry Criticizes Bush on 9/11 Response lans to Reimburse Familes for Body Armor
http://www.blog.johnkerry.com/cgi-bin/mt-comments.cgi?e...

ABC13.com: John Kerry makes stop in Houston; criticizes Pres. Bush
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/042204_local_kerry.htm...

KRT Wire | 12/03/2002 | Kerry proposes tax cuts, criticizes Bush tax policy
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenquirer/46579...

MSNBC - Kerry rips ‘character assassination’ of Clarke
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4615144

Democrat Kerry Still Critical of Bush Administration -- 12/14/2003
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page= \Politics\archive\200312\POL20031214a.html

NPR : Kerry Critical of Bush's Iraq Plans
http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1837708

SignOnSanDiego.com > News > Politics -- Bush aides tout job growth, but Kerry critical
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/federal/200...

Kerry Says US Needs Its Own 'Regime Change'
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0403-08.htm

Kerry Responds to Combat Injury Questions (phillyBurbs.com)
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/32-04212004-2866...

John Kerry Responds To Draft Dodging GOP
http://www.bushalert.com/news/95

Lean Left: Kerry Responds with Ads
http://www.leanleft.com/archives/002883.html

ContraCostaTimes.com | 03/13/2004 | Kerry responds to Bush attack ad
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/817793...

NBC11.com - Politics - Kerry Responds To Charges He Tossed War Medals
http://www.nbc11.com/politics/3228428/detail.html

U.S. Newswire - Kerry Campaign Responds to Revised Terror Report
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=140-06...

swisspolitics.org | Kerry responds to Bush video
http://www.swisspolitics.org/en/news/index.php?section=...

KTVU.com - Politics - New Kerry Ad Responds To Bush's Claims
http://www.ktvu.com/politics/2919181/detail.html

Kerry Campaign Responds to White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan Attacks ::
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_031...

MSNBC - Kerry blasts Bush over attacks on Senate voting record
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4344203

Kerry Attacks Bush's Military Policies
http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/newswire/news2004/...

Kerry Attacks Bush Foreign Policy
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/text5-28-2004-54778.as...

Kerry attacks Bush on foreign policy
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/8461907.htm...

IHT: Kerry attacks Bush on schools
http://www.iht.com/articles/518430.html

ABCNEWS.com : Kerry Attacks Bush Energy Policy
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/kerry...

CNN.com - Kerry hits Bush reaction to 9/11 attack news - Aug 5, 2004
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/05/kerry.911

Kerry Attacks Bush On Tepid Jobs Growth
http://www.turkishpress.com/turkishpress/news.asp?ID=23...

WYTV - Kerry Attacks Bush in Valley Speech
http://www.wytv.com/news/headlines/698977.html

Kerry again attacks Bush administration
http://www.eagletribune.com/news/stories/20030426/FP_00...

John Kerry Attacks Bush on Stem Cell Research Policy
http://www.catholicexchange.com/vm/index.asp?vm_id=31&a...

Herald.com | 04/06/2004 | Kerry attacks Bush's spending
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/politics/8364...

FOXNews.com - You Decide 2004 - Kerry Attacks Bush Compassionate Conservatism
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C122688%2C00.htm...

The Left Coaster: Kerry Attacks Bush on Iraq, Veterans Issues At VFW Convention
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/000507.html

Kerry presses attacks on Bush
http://www.indystar.com/articles/0/160393-5460-093.html

Yahoo! News - Kerry Attacks Bush's Record on Defending Homeland
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=2...

Portsmouth Herald Local News: Kerry attacks aimed at Bush
http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/02172004/news/351.ht...

KTVU.com - Politics - Kerry Attacks Bush's Conduct Of War
http://www.ktvu.com/politics/3016233/detail.html

Kerry attacks Bush on science - (United Press International)
http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20040621-012423-2...

FOXNews.com - Politics - Kerry Attacks Bush While Defending Iraq Resolution Vote
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C92547%2C00.html

ABCNEWS.com : Kerry Sharpens Attacks Against Iraq War
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040618_118.html

Democratic Underground Forums - Kerry remembers Kennedy, attacks Bush
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

The Seattle Times: National politics: Kerry attacks Bush as divisive president
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationalpolitics/...

Kerry Attacks Bush On Education, Affirmative Action at Brown Anniversary Ceremony -- GOPUSA
http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/may/0518_brown_annivers...

RobBernard.com: Kerry attacks Bush team as "crooked" and liars
http://www.robbernard.com/archives/000990.html

Yahoo! News - Kerry attacks Bush terror policy after new al-Qaeda warning
http://article.wn.com/link/WNAT8D4D3C000A7949799ABB344C...

USATODAY.com - Kerry blasts Bush over attacks on record
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/p...

Kerry Campaign Attacks Cheney re: Halliburton
http://www.the-hamster.com/mtype/archives/001379.html

Kerry Sprinkles Jobs Message With Attacks on Iraq Policy
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A195-2004Apr9?...

AP Wire | 12/02/2002 | Kerry Steps Up Attacks on Bush Policies
http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/4644529.htm

Kerry report attacks Bush for the loss of U.S. jobs
http://www.newsisfree.com/click/i%2C41285835%2C3952%2Cr...

At UI, Kerry slams Bushonomics
http://www.dailyiowan.com/main.cfm/include/detail/story...

ScrappleFace: Kerry Slams Bush Failure to Find New Threats
http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/001785.html

Salon.com | John Kerry slams Bush's "raw deal" for America
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2003/12/08/kerry_s...

Worldandnation: Kerry slams Bush on environment record
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/04/21/Worldandnation/Kerry_...

Kerry slams job loss under Bush at Detroit event
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1155575/posts

Scotsman.com News - International - Kerry slams Bush for encouraging terrorism
http://article.wn.com/link/WNAT185BE9B267D1BAA6C007ABC2...

USATODAY.com - Kerry slams response to Iraq prison abuse
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/p...

Kerry Slams 'Saudi-George Bush' Gas Tax (phillyBurbs.com)
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/32-05252004-3063...

Multichannel News - Kerry Slams Networks, Notes Cable DNC Coverage
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA442669?display=Br...

CNN.com - Kerry slams Bush on terrorism - Feb. 27, 2004
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/27/elec04.prez.m...

CNN.com - Kerry slams Bush on Iraq, military - Mar 19, 2004
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/17/kerry

FOXNews.com - You Decide 2004 - Kerry Slams Bush in NAACP Speech
http://www.hallindseyoracle.com/url_redirect.asp?Articl...

The Seattle Times: Nation & World: Kerry slams Bush over gas prices
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/20019...

Yahoo! News - Kerry seeks minority support; slams Bush on poverty
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1506&e=...

Kerry Slams Bush Over Iraq WMDs Joke
http://feeds.newzealandnews.net/?rid=c86e3126894b2ce6

Kerry finds gold, slams Bush in Bay Area visit / Exasperated senator calls GOP 'so petty'
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/cgi-bin/news/news.cgi?id...

Scotsman.com News - International - Kerry slams 'crooked' rivals
http://www.news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=28215...

The Australian: Kerry slams Bush foreign policy
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/...

Kerry bashes Bush on health care costs
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/8630863.htm...

Kerry Bashes Bush on Health Care Costs (phillyBurbs.com)
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/32-05102004-2973...

Hispanic Business - Massachusetts Sen. Kerry Bashes Bush's Hispanic Agenda
http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/news/newsbyid.asp?id=76...

United Press International: Analysis: Kerry attack machine bashes Bush
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040217-061854-235...

Kerry bashes Bush tax cut proposal - iBerkshires.com - Business
http://housatonic.iberkshires.com/business/story9307.ht...

Sen. Kerry Chides GOP (Self Proclaimed Patriots) on War Comments, Bashes Bush >> Hypocrites.com
http://www.hypocrites.com/article3738.html

Kerry courts rural voters on 3-day Midwest swing / He bashes president on weak economy, health insurance gap
http://article.wn.com/link/WNATFFEAC14FF83761822378754A...

Star - Kerry steals rival's tune and bashes Bush over job losses
http://www.star.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=132&fArticle...

Boston.com / News / Nation / Kerry questions Bush's wartime leadership
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/08/06/k...

Kerry Questions Bush Iraq Policy
http://www.evote.com/News/EV09062002C.html

Kerry Questions Bush Attendance in Guard in 70's
http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/hea...

USATODAY.com - Kerry questions Bush on Iraq deadline
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/p...

Indepements for Kerry : Questions for Bush on Iraq
http://www.independentsforkerry.com/info/index.php?cate...

USATODAY.com - Sen. John Kerry questions Bush's credibility
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/benedett...

Kerry Questions Bush Handling of Enron Investigation
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C125190%2C00.htm...

More?

These links actually work on the original post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=612260
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #17
20. Cut the Bullshit
giving a press release to some flunky at cnn is not tyhe same as JK publicly and repeated asking bush to come clean. the media will be all over this story. they will love it. they will hound bush for answers. you just don't get it. i tell you that the dark corner of a web site won't do it and you come back with press releases. please. either jk has the stones or he doesn't. the truth is on his side and it's the only way to break the wall around bush. the media ain't gonna do it for us.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #20
25. you don't like the appearances, you don't like the press
you don't acknowlege that the AWOL statements were reported from Kerry's appearance on Good Morning America.

BTW, I won't waste anymore my time with someone who thinks I'm 'bullshit'. I've debated this in good faith. These are my views. This is in line with our candidate's efforts. I've presented evidence to back up my view. That's a bit more significant than 'bullshit'.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #12
18. Kerry criticizes Bush on military record

April 26, 2004

BY NEDRA PICKLER ASSOCIATED PRESS

WHEELING, W.Va. -- John Kerry, a decorated Navy veteran criticized by Republicans for his anti-war activities during the Vietnam era, lashed out at President Bush on Monday for failing to prove whether he fulfilled his commitment to the National Guard during the same period.

Conservative critics have questioned whether Kerry deserved all three of his Purple Hearts for battle wounds, an issue the Democratic presidential candidate sought to put to rest last week by releasing his military records. On Sunday, a top Bush adviser criticized Kerry for leading anti-war protests after he returned from the battlefield.

"This comes from a president who can't even show or prove that he showed up for duty in the National Guard," Kerry said Monday during an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America." "And I'm not going to stand for it."

Kerry's direct criticism of Bush's Guard record reflected an aggressive strategy to challenge the president but was at odds with the defense he offered in 1992 for Democratic candidate Bill Clinton, who avoided service in Vietnam.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/26kerry.html
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. Kerry Criticizes Bush, Cheney on Military
Edited on Sat Sep-04-04 04:57 PM by bigtree
Wednesday, April 28, 2004

John Kerry (search) said Tuesday that President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney (search) have no standing in criticizing his military service and anti-war effort, considering questions about one's National Guard (search) attendance and the other's deferments from Vietnam.

Kerry, who volunteered for service in Vietnam, said he doesn't begrudge anyone who did not fight in the war. But with critics questioning his war record, the Massachusetts senator said that it's "accountability time."

Earlier in the day, Kerry told the Dayton Daily News: "I think a lot of veterans are going to be very angry at a president who can't account for his own service in the National Guard, and a vice president who got every deferment in the world and decided he had better things to do, criticizing somebody who fought for their country and served."

For the second day, disputes over what Kerry and Bush did during the Vietnam War-era and the campaigns' exchange of charges have overshadowed the Democratic presidential candidate's bus tour of industrial states that have lost manufacturing jobs. Kerry told Ohio voters Tuesday that Bush's record on job creation should be described as "mission not accomplished."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C118380%2C00.html
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #19
23. Two things have changed since then
One - we are now in the last 60 days of the campaign and the media scrutiny is more intense.
Two and most importantly - we have just spent a month where the issue of what John Kerry did 30 years ago has consumed the campaign. I believe the media would be equally interested in enagaging in some speculation and debate asw to what Mr Bush was doing 30 years ago. This is how the SBL's attack can be seen as an opportunity to be seized rather than a threat to be feared.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. So you decry the time wasted on these attacks and responses
yet advocate an escalation of the same. When do we discuss the issues and concerns that should be at the center of our debate? Why should our campaign allow itself to be dragged into the mud pond?
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #27
44. we can turn their own attacks against them
the GOP is gonna do what they do. they ain't gonna play nice. they've chosen to open a discussion about what kerry did during vietnam. i say they have opened themselves up to a discussion about what bush did during vietnam.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 04:13 AM
Response to Reply #44
50. I agree,but I don't think our candidate should lower himself to the attack
Every day that he spends responding to the drivel from the Bush campaign is a day that he doesn't define himself and his agenda. I don't want his overriding message to be Bush bad, Kerry good. There has to be an introduction to that majority voters who haven't tuned in yet to the election that outlines his positions and intentions. If Bushco spews an invective a day, Kerry won't get to that and voters may well percieve his campaign as only negative. I didn't say that I would, but voters have done that in the past. Bush was able to portray Gore as practicing the 'politics of personal destruction' (Matalin) even though he was just responding to the smears on the other side. I can hear the 'conventional wisdom': Gore is attacks because he has no plan to run on. That's the mantra that we can use against Bush, but not if our candidate is also in the mud.

Also, Bush has not criticized Kerry directly about Vietnam. He used surrogsates to give him the illusion of clean hands. That is what I would advocate our candidate do. Stay above the most negative attacks. Use your campaign and your surrogates. Hit hard, but make certain that the majority of your time is spent talking about the issues and concerns that actually affect Americans. Don't allow yourself to be thrown off message by every dribble that passes through the lips of republican hacks or they will play you until the end of the election and you won't get your message out.
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. Why not do it again and again...
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. Most voters still don't actually know what Kerry's solutions are
Edited on Sat Sep-04-04 05:19 PM by bigtree
He needs to be seen, first and foremost, as a representative and advocate of the issues and concerns that most affect Americans, especially in the key states which have been hit hard by the Bush recession. I think that the voters we need are from these manufacturing states that went narrowly to Bush in the last election. In these states, the economy and jobs top the list of concerns. Every day that our candidate does not speak to these issues is a precious day lost.

"For the second day, disputes over what Kerry and Bush did during the Vietnam War-era and the campaigns' exchange of charges have overshadowed the Democratic presidential candidate's bus tour of industrial states that have lost manufacturing jobs."
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homelandpunk Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 05:22 PM
Response to Original message
24. Aren't dead people said to be "in a better place"? HMMMMM???
This is pathetic.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. Like I said to the other poster. I want a president who is focused
Edited on Sat Sep-04-04 05:53 PM by bigtree
on the issues and concerns that most affect our lives. I don't place much value in the endless tit for tat about tangential issues and personalities. The smears are an attempt by the Bush campaign to throw Kerry off message. We have to resist that as best we can. The campaign and the surrogates can take care of the red meat and Kerry can stay 'focused like a laser beam' on issues like the economy, jobs, healthcare, education, national security, and the environment.

Economy, jobs, healthcare, education, national security, and the environment VS. meaningless bullshit. I may not be the brightest bulb, but I know when I'm being diverted from the things that concern me the most. Every day that Kerry is talking about AWOL, Vietnam, or any of these wedges we use to undermine each other's campaigns (I enjoy the attacks as much as anyone, I'm afraid) is a day lost that could be used to appeal to those Americans longing for someone to actually speak to their needs and concerns.

I hope you can understand that I am more interested in a campaign that responds to the people and not to the media driven mudfests.
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homelandpunk Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #26
29. and I'm interested in winning.
Respectfully, I understand. And agree. But....media driven mudfests like Willie Horton don't "interest" you?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 04:21 AM
Response to Reply #29
52. I like a good fight, but I'm concerned more about the issues and concerns
that we have to deal with in the real world while the candidates play gotcha. When do we get a hearing on our concerns in this election?Kerry has remained focused on these and I expect that to continue no matter what the opposition and the media do to divert and distract us.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 07:28 PM
Response to Original message
30. Its a great statement - I just hope he ignores it - n/t
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 07:40 PM
Response to Original message
31. It leads to Massachussetts
Time for fight back dude. I am not suggesting lying. But its time to bring the heavy ammo and take no prisoners.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 07:50 PM
Response to Original message
32. The high road leads to supercilious, above it all, better than thou
sanctimonious,condescending self righteous phoniness. Kind of reminds me of Orrin Hatch in a way.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #32
40. As opposed to back biting, arrogant, muckraking, jack off battles
over the candidate's personal lives.

THIS ELECTION IS NOT ABOUT THEM! IT IS ABOUT OUR FUTURES. WE NEED THEM TO TALK ABOUT OUR PROBLEMS, OUR CONCERNS, OUR ISSUES.

Hatch is a hatchet man. Nothing but personal attacks and lies. I don't know how you can equate my efforts or those of our candidate with Hatch.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 07:50 PM
Response to Original message
33. deleted by myself--double post
Edited on Sat Sep-04-04 07:52 PM by Marianne
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 07:56 PM
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #34
39. Loser
Sweet. Way to hang on to allies.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 08:57 AM
Response to Reply #39
59. Way to take it personally.
To belabor the point, the one who wins (the person who fights back) gets to call the one who loses (in this hypothetical, the person who fails to fight back) loser. The low road in this case would be to hammer the Bush Administration on their indefensible record and their indefensible histories (AWOL, insider trading, business failures, and anything good Kitty Kelly comes up).
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 07:59 PM
Response to Original message
36. He doesn't have to take the low road to win, he just has to be very strong
and not back down from attacks. Not even a little. I take "low road" to mean lies and cheap shots. He doesn't have to do that - there is plenty of relevant stuff to nail Bush about.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 08:12 PM
Response to Original message
37. Absolutely. The truth IS dirty when it comes to this administration.
I'm now of a new mindset. We are of one universe. Where do we want to take it. They said "Love thy enemy", for a purpose. They did not say lay down and let them trash you. It seems like a fine line. We can fillet these idiots. And still be polite about it. And I'm now glad that Kerry is the gentleman that he is. I"m proud. That's the Democrat in us all.

Now, let's start talking about Cheney. Cheney is going to bring Bush down.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #37
41. Kerry's been talking about Cheney. So has his campaign and his surrogates
I don't believe at all that Kerry has lain down and let anyone trash him. That's not supported by facts. It's an impression that ignores all of the responses made by Kerry and his campaign so far.
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #37
46. Best thing I've heard here. The truth of this crew is dirty.
Kerry needs to start by publicly and repeatedly call on Bush to account for his missing year in the Guard. This opens a pandoras box because Bush was arrested for some kind of drug offense during this period. It also weakens his nat'l security credentials for his AWOL status to be exposed. There are many in this country who have not heard this stuff.
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shivaji Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 08:39 PM
Response to Original message
38. Both esides are taking the low road....
Repugs with their attacks on Kerry's medals especially
the purple hearts awarded without serious war wounds.

Dems through moveon.org have taken the low road also.
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nyhuskyfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #38
42. What has moveon.org done that's wrong...
If you bring up an ad comparing Bush to Hitler, I'll beat you down silly for not knowing what you're talking about.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 03:56 AM
Response to Reply #42
47. Lighten up. Go kick your dog. What happened to manners?
I was just acknowleging Moveon went negative. I stated the difference. We tell the truth and Bush lies. "Low road" was not the term that I would have used. You pick the word: attacked? challenged? slammed? Isn't that the strategy that the dissenting posters are calling for. Attack, attack. Like you are doing to me, a lifelong Democrat.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #38
43. I agree, except republican attacks have been pure lies and distortion
It's time to get back to the issues and concerns that most affect us out here in peon land.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 04:04 AM
Response to Original message
49. Tell that to fmr President Dukakis
Because we are facing the same set of goons this time around.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 04:16 AM
Response to Reply #49
51. No one faced more vicious attacks than Clinton, but he stayed above it
I never heard anything but measured criticism from him. His surrogates were another matter. Perfectly smart and legitimate to allow the campaign to issue the most stinging attacks, so long as our candidate is not thrown off of his positive agenda every time the opposition drools.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 04:38 AM
Response to Original message
53. I fell for that bit once upon a time
when I was young and idealistic. However, the reality is that- no matter how true that statement might be, it's not going to play to a majority of Americans today any more today than it did in 1988. To think otherwise is foolish.

Governing from that perspective is one thing, getting to the point where one can govern requires a different perspective entirely.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 04:43 AM
Response to Reply #53
54. Won't play like "It's the economy stupid."?
or "focus like a laser beam on the economy."?

Worked for Bill Clinton.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 05:33 AM
Response to Reply #54
55. Yes and no- it's a different dynamic
Edited on Sun Sep-05-04 05:34 AM by depakote_kid
In 92, Clinton had Perot making a lot of noise on the economic front, and a lot of the disaffected "swing voters" were falling into his camp. Today, we have a head to head race- and unlike 92, we have faux news and the even more insidious CNN (not to mention the networks) who aren't about to air the issues without a little controversy to spice them up. Kerry's press releases are great- anyone here with half a brain for policy enjoys them- but have you seen them get any airplay?

They might- were he president- but he's not.

To get there, he has to take a different tack. Yes, we need to focus like a laser beam on the economy- but in order to do that, we also need to be media savvy. Right now, all the drama is being stirred up by the Bush camp- we need to serve up a little drama of our own in order to get people to pay attention.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 05:41 AM
Response to Reply #55
56. airplay
Kerry has used every instigation to challenge Bush. I don't know where you get your news.

Kerry Criticizes Bush for Space Vision
http://www.space.com/spacenews/kerry_040616.html

Kerry criticizes Bush on military record
http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/26kerry.html

Kerry criticizes Bush for failed policies
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/8202438.htm ...

NPR : Kerry Criticizes Bush on Iraq
http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1842198

USATODAY.com - Kerry criticizes Bush on Iraq, treatment of U.S. veterans
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/2003-08 -...

Yahoo! News - Kerry Criticizes Bush's Military Policy
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/200 ...

Kerry Criticizes Bush's Iraq Policy (phillyBurbs.com)
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/32-03182004-2664 ...

Kerry Criticizes Bush Policy On Haiti
http://www.mattapanonline.org/Kerry_on%20Haiti.htm

Report: Kerry Criticizes Bush Foreign Policy
http://www.evote.com/News/EV05202002B.html

washingtonpost.com: Kerry Criticizes President, Then Undergoes Surgery
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A40572-2004Mar ...

KSL News: Kerry Criticizes Bush Over Gay Marriage
http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?sid=77296&nid=6

ABC 7 News - Kerry Criticizes Bush on U.S. Security
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0304/132238.html

Democratic Underground Forums - Kerry Criticizes Bush's Definition of Values
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...

washingtonpost.com: Kerry Criticizes Bush For Attacks on Clarke
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A29991-2004Mar ...

Kerry Criticizes Bush for Red Carpet Expense
http://www.townhall.com/news/politics/200406/POL2004061 ...

Yahoo! News - Kerry Criticizes Bush on Saudi Meeting
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&e=7 ...

RightNation.US -> Kerry Criticizes Bush for Red Carpet Expense
http://www.rightnation.us/forums/index.php?showtopic=42 ...

Kerry criticizes Bush for siding with drug companies in new ad
http://www.wtvo.com/Global/story.asp?S=1533926

USATODAY.com - Kerry criticizes Bush on meeting with Saudi leader
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/p ...

SignOnSanDiego.com > News > Politics -- Kerry criticizes Bush's Daytona 'photo opportunity'
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20040216-14 ...

Kerry criticizes Bush on Iraq, treatment of U.S. veterans
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archi ...

SignOnSanDiego.com > News > Politics -- Kerry criticizes Bush over oil report
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20040419-15 ...

FOXNews.com - You Decide 2004 - Kerry Criticizes Bush, Cheney on Military
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C118380%2C00.htm ...

ABC 7 News - Kerry Criticizes Bush for Bioethics Panel
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0204/129618.html

Kerry criticizes U.S. oil policies during Seattle campaign swing
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/175067_kerrystate.h ...

AP Wire | 07/10/2003 | Kerry Criticizes Bush on Education
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/62 ...

FOXNews.com - You Decide 2004 - Kerry Criticizes 'Separate and Unequal' Schools
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C120098%2C00.htm ...

Kerry criticizes Bush on nuclear threat, outlines plan to slow spread
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8812087.htm ?...

AP Wire | 03/17/2004 | Kerry criticizes Bush for failed policies
http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/8202438.htm

AP Wire | 03/14/2003 | Kerry Criticizes Bush on Diplomacy
http://www.dfw.com/mld/state/5388491.htm

KTVU.com - Politics - Kerry Criticizes 'Saudi-George Bush' Gas Tax
http://www.ktvu.com/politics/3346936/detail.html

News-Leader.com | True Ozarks | Kerry criticizes Bush on stem-cell, science policies
http://www.news-leader.com/_tuesday/0622-Kerrycriti-117 ...

Kerry criticizes Bush over gay marriage, broken promises after winning three more states
http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm18597_20040225.h ...

The Seattle Times: Kerry criticizes Bush's record on jobs, health care, terror
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/text/2001863810_campai ...

The Seattle Times: Kerry criticizes firing of worker over photo
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/text/2001912775_iraqdi ...

Kerry Campaign Criticizes Those Who Defend 'Outsourcing'
http://www.townhall.com/news/politics/200407/POL2004070 ...

KRT Wire | 07/15/2004 | Kerry criticizes Bush for rejection of NAACP invite
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/politics/9165213.htm

KR Washington Bureau | 07/16/2004 | Kerry criticizes Bush for intelligence failures in Iraq
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/9174072.htm

KRT Wire | 03/17/2004 | Kerry Criticizes Bush for Failing to Protect Troops in Iraq
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/national /...

KSAT.com - News - Kerry Criticizes Bush During Speech In S.A.
http://www.ksat.com/news/2430649/detail.html

Capitol Hill Watch | Sen. Kerry Criticizes Wait List for Veterans Seeking Health Services
http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cf ...

The Salt Lake Tribune -- Kerry criticizes Bush for failing to rally more allies
http://www.sltrib2002.com/2004/Jun/06292004/nation_w/17 ...

t r u t h o u t - Senator Kerry Criticizes U.S. Tactics
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/9174072.htm

Kerry Criticizes Bush on 9/11 Response lans to Reimburse Familes for Body Armor
http://www.blog.johnkerry.com/cgi-bin/mt-comments.cgi?e ...

ABC13.com: John Kerry makes stop in Houston; criticizes Pres. Bush
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/042204_local_kerry.htm ...

KRT Wire | 12/03/2002 | Kerry proposes tax cuts, criticizes Bush tax policy
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenquirer/46579 ...

MSNBC - Kerry rips ‘character assassination’ of Clarke
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4615144

Democrat Kerry Still Critical of Bush Administration -- 12/14/2003
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page= \Politics\archive\200312\POL20031214a.html

NPR : Kerry Critical of Bush's Iraq Plans
http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1837708

SignOnSanDiego.com > News > Politics -- Bush aides tout job growth, but Kerry critical
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/federal/200 ...

Kerry Says US Needs Its Own 'Regime Change'
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0403-08.htm

Kerry Responds to Combat Injury Questions (phillyBurbs.com)
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/32-04212004-2866 ...

John Kerry Responds To Draft Dodging GOP
http://www.bushalert.com/news/95

Lean Left: Kerry Responds with Ads
http://www.leanleft.com/archives/002883.html

ContraCostaTimes.com | 03/13/2004 | Kerry responds to Bush attack ad
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/817793 ...

NBC11.com - Politics - Kerry Responds To Charges He Tossed War Medals
http://www.nbc11.com/politics/3228428/detail.html

U.S. Newswire - Kerry Campaign Responds to Revised Terror Report
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=140-06 ...

swisspolitics.org | Kerry responds to Bush video
http://www.swisspolitics.org/en/news/index.php?section= ...

KTVU.com - Politics - New Kerry Ad Responds To Bush's Claims
http://www.ktvu.com/politics/2919181/detail.html

Kerry Campaign Responds to White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan Attacks ::
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_031 ...

MSNBC - Kerry blasts Bush over attacks on Senate voting record
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4344203

Kerry Attacks Bush's Military Policies
http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/newswire/news2004 /...

Kerry Attacks Bush Foreign Policy
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/text5-28-2004-54778.as ...

Kerry attacks Bush on foreign policy
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/8461907.htm ...

IHT: Kerry attacks Bush on schools
http://www.iht.com/articles/518430.html

ABCNEWS.com : Kerry Attacks Bush Energy Policy
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/kerry ...

CNN.com - Kerry hits Bush reaction to 9/11 attack news - Aug 5, 2004
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/05/kerry.911

Kerry Attacks Bush On Tepid Jobs Growth
http://www.turkishpress.com/turkishpress/news.asp?ID=23 ...

WYTV - Kerry Attacks Bush in Valley Speech
http://www.wytv.com/news/headlines/698977.html

Kerry again attacks Bush administration
http://www.eagletribune.com/news/stories/20030426/FP_00 ...

John Kerry Attacks Bush on Stem Cell Research Policy
http://www.catholicexchange.com/vm/index.asp?vm_id=31&a ...

Herald.com | 04/06/2004 | Kerry attacks Bush's spending
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/politics/8364 ...

FOXNews.com - You Decide 2004 - Kerry Attacks Bush Compassionate Conservatism
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C122688%2C00.htm ...

The Left Coaster: Kerry Attacks Bush on Iraq, Veterans Issues At VFW Convention
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/000507.html

Kerry presses attacks on Bush
http://www.indystar.com/articles/0/160393-5460-093.html

Yahoo! News - Kerry Attacks Bush's Record on Defending Homeland
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=2 ...

Portsmouth Herald Local News: Kerry attacks aimed at Bush
http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/02172004/news/351.ht ...

KTVU.com - Politics - Kerry Attacks Bush's Conduct Of War
http://www.ktvu.com/politics/3016233/detail.html

Kerry attacks Bush on science - (United Press International)
http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20040621-012423-2 ...

FOXNews.com - Politics - Kerry Attacks Bush While Defending Iraq Resolution Vote
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C92547%2C00.html

ABCNEWS.com : Kerry Sharpens Attacks Against Iraq War
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040618_118.html

Democratic Underground Forums - Kerry remembers Kennedy, attacks Bush
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...

The Seattle Times: National politics: Kerry attacks Bush as divisive president
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationalpolitics /...

Kerry Attacks Bush On Education, Affirmative Action at Brown Anniversary Ceremony -- GOPUSA
http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/may/0518_brown_annivers ...

RobBernard.com: Kerry attacks Bush team as "crooked" and liars
http://www.robbernard.com/archives/000990.html

Yahoo! News - Kerry attacks Bush terror policy after new al-Qaeda warning
http://article.wn.com/link/WNAT8D4D3C000A7949799ABB344C ...

USATODAY.com - Kerry blasts Bush over attacks on record
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/p ...

Kerry Campaign Attacks Cheney re: Halliburton
http://www.the-hamster.com/mtype/archives/001379.html

Kerry Sprinkles Jobs Message With Attacks on Iraq Policy
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A195-2004Apr9 ?...

AP Wire | 12/02/2002 | Kerry Steps Up Attacks on Bush Policies
http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/4644529.htm

Kerry report attacks Bush for the loss of U.S. jobs
http://www.newsisfree.com/click/i%2C41285835%2C3952%2Cr ...

At UI, Kerry slams Bushonomics
http://www.dailyiowan.com/main.cfm/include/detail/story ...

ScrappleFace: Kerry Slams Bush Failure to Find New Threats
http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/001785.html

Salon.com | John Kerry slams Bush's "raw deal" for America
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2003/12/08/kerry_s ...

Worldandnation: Kerry slams Bush on environment record
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/04/21/Worldandnation/Kerry_ ...

Kerry slams job loss under Bush at Detroit event
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1155575/posts

Scotsman.com News - International - Kerry slams Bush for encouraging terrorism
http://article.wn.com/link/WNAT185BE9B267D1BAA6C007ABC2 ...

USATODAY.com - Kerry slams response to Iraq prison abuse
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/p ...

Kerry Slams 'Saudi-George Bush' Gas Tax (phillyBurbs.com)
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/32-05252004-3063 ...

Multichannel News - Kerry Slams Networks, Notes Cable DNC Coverage
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA442669?display=Br ...

CNN.com - Kerry slams Bush on terrorism - Feb. 27, 2004
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/27/elec04.prez.m ...

CNN.com - Kerry slams Bush on Iraq, military - Mar 19, 2004
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/17/kerry

FOXNews.com - You Decide 2004 - Kerry Slams Bush in NAACP Speech
http://www.hallindseyoracle.com/url_redirect.asp?Articl ...

The Seattle Times: Nation & World: Kerry slams Bush over gas prices
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/20019 ...

Yahoo! News - Kerry seeks minority support; slams Bush on poverty
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1506&e= ...

Kerry Slams Bush Over Iraq WMDs Joke
http://feeds.newzealandnews.net/?rid=c86e3126894b2ce6

Kerry finds gold, slams Bush in Bay Area visit / Exasperated senator calls GOP 'so petty'
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/cgi-bin/news/news.cgi?id ...

Scotsman.com News - International - Kerry slams 'crooked' rivals
http://www.news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=28215 ...

The Australian: Kerry slams Bush foreign policy
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page /...

Kerry bashes Bush on health care costs
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/8630863.htm ...

Kerry Bashes Bush on Health Care Costs (phillyBurbs.com)
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/32-05102004-2973 ...

Hispanic Business - Massachusetts Sen. Kerry Bashes Bush's Hispanic Agenda
http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/news/newsbyid.asp?id=76 ...

United Press International: Analysis: Kerry attack machine bashes Bush
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040217-061854-235 ...

Kerry bashes Bush tax cut proposal - iBerkshires.com - Business
http://housatonic.iberkshires.com/business/story9307.ht ...

Sen. Kerry Chides GOP (Self Proclaimed Patriots) on War Comments, Bashes Bush >> Hypocrites.com
http://www.hypocrites.com/article3738.html

Kerry courts rural voters on 3-day Midwest swing / He bashes president on weak economy, health insurance gap
http://article.wn.com/link/WNATFFEAC14FF83761822378754A ...

Star - Kerry steals rival's tune and bashes Bush over job losses
http://www.star.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=132&fArticle ...

Boston.com / News / Nation / Kerry questions Bush's wartime leadership
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/08/06/k ...

Kerry Questions Bush Iraq Policy
http://www.evote.com/News/EV09062002C.html

Kerry Questions Bush Attendance in Guard in 70's
http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/hea ...

USATODAY.com - Kerry questions Bush on Iraq deadline
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/p ...

Indepements for Kerry : Questions for Bush on Iraq
http://www.independentsforkerry.com/info/index.php?cate ...

USATODAY.com - Sen. John Kerry questions Bush's credibility
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/benedett ...

Kerry Questions Bush Handling of Enron Investigation
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C125190%2C00.htm ...

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 05:51 AM
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57. Frustrating, isn't it?
No matter how hard he tries, no matter how correct he is, his messages aren't sticking-

Ask yourself why that is.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 06:07 AM
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58. I think that we are expecting too much from the polls.
Most everyone who is paying close attention top the election and the conventions are committed already. (or should be committed, like me) The press never gave Clinton a break. Everything he did was spun beyond control by the commercial media that actually used his presidency to launch shows like Hardball and other conservative rags. But, he prevailed because voters overwhelmingly believed that his primary concern was them, not the scandals that were swirling around him. Personal negatives but strong job approval. I think we have to wait until after Labor Day to properly size up the contest. If Kerry has done enough to introduce himself and his proposals by the end of the month then he will be in a strong position as the alternative to the disaster that is Bush.
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