95%...

[TTUBatfan2008]

I'm tired of Obama not telling the truth on this. It's 81%. But hey, McCain is trying to say that Obama is going to raise taxes on everyone, so I suppose Barack needs to overcompensate when defending himself. Can't say I blame him, but I just wish he'd tell the straight truth.

[cliffordu]

1. Proof?? Link??

[TTUBatfan2008]

7. Here's your link.

Go to Factcheck.org.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_obama.html

"He said McCain would fail to lower taxes for 100 million Americans while his own plan would cut taxes for 95 percent of “working” families. But an independent analysis puts the number who would see no benefit from McCain’s plan at 66 million and finds that Obama’s plan would benefit 81 percent of all households when retirees and those without children are figured in."

[Occam Bandage]

10. "Provide no benefit to" is not the same as "raise taxes on."

It simply means it would be the same for them.

[TTUBatfan2008]

11. Obama has been saying that for 95% of people...

their taxes would either go down or stay the same. And Factcheck.org continues calling out on it. The number is 81%. Obama is off by 14% in his claims. McCain, meanwhile, is 81% off because he keeps trying to claim that Obama will raise taxes on EVERYONE. Obama is being more truthful on this than McCain by far, but I just wish Barack would tell the straight truth on it, as verified by independent organizations like FactCheck.org. Guarantee you they will call him out on this in their 3rd Debate analysis once again.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

19. Again, you're reading it wrong.

Benefitting from tax cuts is not the same as not receiving a tax increase. It is true that only 81% of Americans would benefit from the tax cut, but it's also true, as Obama has been quite carefully remarking, that 95% of Americans would not see an increase in their taxes.

[cliffordu]

22. read that entire passage aloud....Don;t just move your lips, Read it aloud.

You are wrong or full of shit or both.

[BlooInBloo]

2. You fail.

[TTUBatfan2008]

8. Here's your link...

Go to Factcheck.org.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_obama.html

"He said McCain would fail to lower taxes for 100 million Americans while his own plan would cut taxes for 95 percent of “working” families. But an independent analysis puts the number who would see no benefit from McCain’s plan at 66 million and finds that Obama’s plan would benefit 81 percent of all households when retirees and those without children are figured in."

[sniffa]

3. And I'm sick of Obama not admitting that he's the "most liberal Senator"

More liberal than John and John in 2004!

[Beetwasher]

4. Liar

Your full of shit.

[TTUBatfan2008]

6. NO, I'm not full of shit...

Go to Factcheck.org.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_obama.html

"He said McCain would fail to lower taxes for 100 million Americans while his own plan would cut taxes for 95 percent of “working” families. But an independent analysis puts the number who would see no benefit from McCain’s plan at 66 million and finds that Obama’s plan would benefit 81 percent of all households when retirees and those without children are figured in."

[Beetwasher]

15. Yes You ARE Full Of Shit

"81 percent of all households when retirees and those without children are figured in."

Nitpicking liar. Not even McCain is nitipicking the bullshit that you are.

[Hutzpa]

20. Why don't you crawl back into

the hole you came from.

Take to CNN and that crazy Bi**h that does factcheck in the morning,
all she does is bring up factcheck on Obama.

:grr:

[Medusa]

5. Noticed tonight that an ad is running saying that too

and it's from one of those murky organizations that can claim it isn't officially affiliated with McCain's campaign.

[TTUBatfan2008]

9. It's from FactCheck.org for crying out loud...

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_obama.html

"He said McCain would fail to lower taxes for 100 million Americans while his own plan would cut taxes for 95 percent of “working” families. But an independent analysis puts the number who would see no benefit from McCain’s plan at 66 million and finds that Obama’s plan would benefit 81 percent of all households when retirees and those without children are figured in."

[thewiseguy]

12. an independent analysis?

Sorry but anybody could do an analysis and come up with numbers of their own. That does not mean the people who did the "independent analysis" were right.

[4themind]

16. So retiree's and Couples without kids are "working families" according to FC?

They, and perhaps you, can have different definitions for "working families". But that can be a matter of semantics rather than an out right lie. Maybe Obama doesn't count people who don't WORK (retirees), and people how don't have KIDS(a family) as.... wait for it....working families! Which could explain why he didn't cite numbers from an analysis that DID included those groups in "households", which is arguably distinct from "working families" anyway. Now there may have been other instances where Obama has stretched the truth(I'll concede I just read the part you excerpted for the time being) but I do think that what you cited could be largely dependent on which definitions you use, using parts of the english language that have relatively more wiggle room.

[soccermomforobama]

13. The number does = 95% for households with children

[TTUBatfan2008]

14. Then he should SAY THAT...

Bottom line, I'm sick of both sides misleading on tax policy. Mostly I am sick of McCain outright trying to say that Obama will raise taxes on the entire American public. His damn ads have been doing exactly that during this campaign. Obama doesn't need to respond with the 95% claim unless it's really specific because he is repeatedly getting called out on it by FactCheck.org. The good news, however, is that most people don't read FactCheck.org. The bad news, on the other hand, is that FactCheck.org has done a great job debunking many of the smears and lies about Barack (birth certificate, his religion, etc.) and unfortunately those same people who don't see FactCheck correcting Barack's percentage on taxes will not see them correcting the right wing lies about Obama. Given the number of lies about Barack, I would rather those people see the site simply because the more people who are informed about the truth on his background and religion, the more likely they will be to vote for him. The only thing the right wing is doing right now is character assassination.

[Dawgs]

21. He does say it; each and every time.

You're choosing not to hear it, I guess.

[JuniperLea]

24. I think you should start listening to Obama...

And reading his website. You need to re-read the FactCheck bit you keep linking... and think about what a tax cut means, and what a tax increase means, and what the differences are.

[bunnies]

17. *plonk*

[TornadoTN]

18. Funny how even McCain isn't calling this, but somehow you are

You're arguing semantics anyway and the number is still 95% for working families and probably about the same for everyone else that doesn't get a straight up cut.

[TheKentuckian]

23. 250K and under=no increase or a decrease

29% of people make over 250k?

Hell no.