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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:27 AM
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The October surprise. You 401k is coming..
Sunday, October 12, 2008

The Great Depression: Your 401(k), Your Vote

At just about the same time that millions of people in the United States are deciding who they want to lead their country for the next four years, many of those people will get a 401(k) account statement in the mail. Many other people know how to check the status of their 401(k) account over the Internet. What they are seeing is not very good.

These 401(k) accounts are the only retirement plan, besides Social Security, for millions of people. They are also the only source of any savings for many workers.

Because of the recent total collapse of the world economy, the investments most people hold in their 401(k) have dropped incredibly. A typical 401(k) statement is going to tell the account holder that they have 50% less retirement money than they had last year.

For the younger people that are not planning to retire for 10 or 20 years these 401(k) accounts will have time to sit and hopefully recover some value over that time. For people that were planning to retire in the next three to five years, there is a crisis to face. Will they be able to afford to retire? What will they do if their employer forces them to retire at age 60? Working until age 65 or 70 was not in their plans but it might be now.

The Washington Post addresses this issue in today's edition.

Another big problem is that so many people are losing their jobs at the same time right now. If they remain out of work for very long these people will need to sell the investments in their 401(k) accounts. They may be forced to sell their investments when those investments are way, way down in value. That locks in the loss of all that retirement savings and then the government slams you with a huge tax bill at the same time.

The candidates for president, Obama and McCain, are not really addressing the specific issue of 401(k) accounts right now. There is nothing much that they can do for the little people, the citizens that keep this country running. Our politicians are mostly focused on helping the bankers that already get paid millions each year. It costs too much for the government to send any significant help to Mom & Pop.

Oh, they might borrow some money from China and send us another check for $300 or $600 but that's about it. We are on our own as far as our retirement plans are concerned. That's why most big companies closed their pension plans and got rid of other retirement benefits like health care. The government had a better plan. Now we are stuck with that "better plan" and it is not nearly enough.

It seems unfair that most government workers actually still have a pension plan and other excellent retirement benefits. Many government workers still belong to a union. Remember unions? Unions were organizations that were supposed to protect worker's rights in the face of business owners that only wanted more profits for themselves. Now only a very few people belong to unions, mostly government workers. Members of U.S. Congress have a great pension plan and health care benefits for life. The citizens these Senators and Representatives supposedly work for have limited or no health care plan and destroyed 401(k) plans.

Not too long ago Bush wanted us to put our Social Security money into the stock market. Luckily Congress put a stop to that idea. It is about time we asked the candidates for president and people running for Congress if they have any proposals for reform to the 401(k) account crisis. Those accounts now join the world economic crisis as a major source of problems for nearly everyone.

http://thwphotos.blogspot.com/2008/10/great-depression-your-401k-your-vote.html
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:28 AM
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1. Obama should propose a tax holiday for people who have to cash theirs in
do to job loss.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:29 AM
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2. Already got it, Joanne
Afraid to open it. The worst of my fears were confirmed when I looked.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:30 AM
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3. Sorry.
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Higher Standard Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:31 AM
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4. Got mine yesterday
a 10% drop in a three month period. And I know people who've seen a decrease double that.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:44 AM
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11. That's not bad
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Higher Standard Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:48 AM
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15. I shifted some of my investments last year
At my financial advisor's advice, I put a slightly higher percentage of my investments into safer bonds, so I haven't been hit as hard as some people I know.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:33 AM
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5. Any polling data specifically on baby boomers?
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:44 AM
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12. I haven't seen any yet
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KewlKat Donating Member (867 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:34 AM
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6. I got mine........but it remains unopened
I just can't look.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:45 AM
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13. Aw. I'm sorry.
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livedemocarticordie Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:34 AM
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7. mixed bag
The horrifying news is my husbands' is down 19.8% this year . His is the one we need the most.

I have a tiny one from my days of working for others (a foundation in NYC). THat's a TIAA CREF --it went up a bit this quarter. We have 20 years to retirement; thank goddess...
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:35 AM
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8. There is also a penalty for early withdrawal
that isn't mentioned in the op.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:45 AM
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14. I know. I'm totally against that.
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:36 AM
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9. Thrivent, an investment firm for Lutherans, is going to have a web broadcast to explain.
Edited on Sun Oct-12-08 09:37 AM by Democrats_win
Uh oh. You know it's going to be bad when they do things like this.

In 2004 Thrivent invited George W. Bush to campaign at their offices. One Thrivent employee said that he liked bush because he trusts us. Already by that time, Thrivent had lost a bundle in the dot com bust. Bush may trust financial institutions, but prudent Americans shouldn't.

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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:43 AM
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10. What?
Edited on Sun Oct-12-08 09:43 AM by high density
I think most 401k plans have stable value and bond funds that people can invest in if they're afraid of equities or close to retirement. That said, I think it would be a good thing to have a law that allows employees to roll over to an IRA of their choice annually, so they're sure to have access to the funds they want.

If people were close to retirement or in retirement then their exposure to equities should've been minimal. This is asset allocation 101, you get more conservative as you get closer to needing to use the money.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:53 AM
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16. "It seems unfair that most government workers actually still have a pension plan": What?! I
Edited on Sun Oct-12-08 09:58 AM by WinkyDink
was a TEACHER. And NOT close to the $70K range, even with multiple degrees and 30 years.

I chose security at age 21 in 1971, when many peers chose to go into the private sector to earn more. That was when a h.s. grad could go to work for Beth Steel and make more than I (at $6700). So now, 37 years later, I'M the one in the "unfair" position?
Bwahahahaha!
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:57 AM
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17. mine was not quite as bad as I anticipated
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:05 AM
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18. Huh?
It seems unfair that most government workers actually still have a pension plan and other excellent retirement benefits. Many government workers still belong to a union. Remember unions? Unions were organizations that were supposed to protect worker's rights in the face of business owners that only wanted more profits for themselves. Now only a very few people belong to unions, mostly government workers. Members of U.S. Congress have a great pension plan and health care benefits for life. The citizens these Senators and Representatives supposedly work for have limited or no health care plan and destroyed 401(k) plans.


Thanks to 666, Ronald Wilson Reagan, the repukes effectively GUTTED the Fed. gov't retirement plan by dumping CSRS and replacing it with FERS, which is essentially Social Security and TSP, the equivalent of SS and a 401(K). Anyone on board before 1984 have the old plan and a few on board from '84 - '86 are in the transistion "CSRS-offset" plan, but the rest are under FERS. This was all part of the "less government" (read "no government") Raygun elimination of the Civil Service system. And except for those who opted to put their TSP in bonds (which have been +5%), anyone with a TSP in any sort of stocks or mutuals have consistently lost from 20 - 30% of the original TSP value through September and I'd hate to see what it will be for this month.

The Federal gov't is now so in the bed with business that it will look to business and their cuts and then implement such for gov't workers... And then business looks at the reduction in gov't benefits and inturn reduces their own employee benefits even more. This is followed by gov't looking at that and cutting back again.... and this goes around and around in a circle until the rank and file workers EVERYWHERE are screwed, and the political appointees and contractors, along with the CEOs and their minions, take all the cash and run. It boggles the mind.
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