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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 03:54 PM
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NY Times: Palin: Obama made "secret deal" with Iraqi's to undermine our govt.
Ms. Palin portrayed the events in a darker light. “We learned this morning that Iraqi officials are saying Senator Obama tried to make a secret deal with the Iraqi government,” she said at a fund-raiser outside Cincinnati, although the article in The Washington Times does not make that specific claim.

“Obama apparently tried to undermine our government’s official efforts to reduce troops in Iraq,” Ms. Palin said. “If this is true, again, it is a stunning example of putting ambition above country.”

She repeated the attack line at a fund-raiser later in the afternoon in Cleveland, where the accusation was met with rumblings in the audience. “He tried to influence negotiations with Iraqi leaders in a way that would set back America’s cause there while advancing his campaign here,” she said. At both events, she described the allegations as “stunning.”


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/with-donors-palin-keeps-up-attacks-on-obama/#more-6589
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 03:56 PM
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1. McCain needs to "Say it to my face." That needs to be the response for all of this crap.
n/t
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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 03:58 PM
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What????????
"McCain needs to "Say it to my face." That needs to be the response for all of this crap."
Posted by Dr Fate
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:00 PM
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10. Exactly- Obama should say "McCain needs to say it to my face if he thinks this is true"
Edited on Fri Oct-10-08 04:01 PM by Dr Fate
It worked great on the Ayers crap. I think he needs to call out McLiar again in similar fasion.

You are right- my post does appear unclear at a glance.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 03:57 PM
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2. fuck her....
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PatGund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:03 PM
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16. Ewww
I wouldn't fuck Palin with Ann Coulter's dick
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darkism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:18 PM
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23. One of the few times...
...I've ever done an actual spit-take.

::gets cloth to wipe Diet Dr Pepper off monitor::
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 03:57 PM
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3. A "strategy" focused on REVENGE, not victory...
...and the "tactics" are reprehensible!
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 03:58 PM
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4. so pathetic....laughable.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 03:59 PM
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5. She's confusing Obama and the Iraquis with Reagan and the Iranians. nt
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 03:59 PM
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6. meanwhile the founder of her husband's separatist party, the AIP had a deal with Iran...
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 03:59 PM
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7. That's just BUNK! eom
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 03:59 PM
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8. Hey, Sarah! Why don't you and John go make your accusations directly
to Obama? Just look him in they eye, and say to HIM what you've been saying to your racist, hateful followers? Hmmmmmm?

If, as YOU say, your claims are truthful, then say it to Obama!

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:02 PM
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15. And that should be Obama's response...
Edited on Fri Oct-10-08 04:02 PM by Dr Fate
"McCain knows this is a false story, and I dont think McCain will have the courage to bring this up to my face next week..."
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:22 PM
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24. You go girl....
:loveya:
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:00 PM
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9. Wow..... that is weird and scary
that she would say such a thing.
It's hard to eve write something about this because it's so outrageous
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:01 PM
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11. He needs to tell McCain in person
to say it to his face. McCain will fumble around the statement but will never call him a terrrorist.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:01 PM
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12. That's a Moonie Times Story from today
Sludge has been pushing it.

At the same time the Bush administration was negotiating a still elusive agreement to keep the U.S. military in Iraq, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama tried to convince Iraqi leaders in private conversations that the president shouldn't be allowed to enact the deal without congressional approval.

Mr. Obama's conversations with the Iraqi leaders, confirmed to The Washington Times by his campaign aides, began just two weeks after he clinched the Democratic presidential nomination in June and stirred controversy over the appropriateness of a White House candidate's contacts with foreign governments while the sitting president is conducting a war.

Some of the specifics of the conversations remain the subject of dispute. Iraqi leaders purported to The Times that Mr. Obama urged Baghdad to delay an agreement with Mr. Bush until next year when a new president will be in office - a charge the Democratic campaign denies.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/10/obama-sought-to-sway-iraqis-on-bush-deal/

And you know what - the agreement shouldn't have been w/o congressional approval. Stupid that Chimpy could lock the next president in to his deal!
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:09 PM
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20. This is news only if you slept though American History and Civics:
From the Constitution:


Article II, Section 2:
He (the President)shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:01 PM
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13. Thought on Rachel's show a while ago, translation of Maliki (?) implicated Bush with political delay
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:02 PM
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14. Son of a Bitch! This shit was debunked months ago. Bastards!!! (eom)
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:05 PM
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17. So is this the big story they were talking about breaking yestersday?
They sent it down to Barbie?
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:05 PM
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18. Its my understanding that Bush Admin. officials who were with Obama debunked this
...trying to find the news article saying this.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:06 PM
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19. Suspect this story is PLANTED via U.S. agents both in Iraq gov and the Bush Admin
It is part of the campaign.
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Marsala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:53 PM
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31. No, IIRC the Bush administration actually helped debunk this story
It's pure, 100% wingnut bull.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:14 PM
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21. If you want to send a story to the likes of Olbermann, send this one.
McCrazy thinks he can get away with letting the Pig say anything. The worst thing for McCrazy would be if he were to required to start answering for the Pig's lies.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:15 PM
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22. No the real deal was in 1980 and it was w/ Iran
.... and H W Bush did w/ the Iranian in Paris to keep the Americans hostage.
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soccermomforobama Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:26 PM
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25. I posted about this last night also
(and was so lovely called a troll on more than one occasion)

Here is the ABC News article debunking what Palin is saying

Undermining McCain Campaign Attack, Republicans Back Obama‘s Version of Meeting With Iraqi Leaders
September 19, 2008 1:06 PM

Julia Hoppock

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Earlier this week, the campaign of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., seized upon a column in the New York Post that described Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., as having urged Iraqi leaders in a private meeting to delay coming to an agreement with the Bush administration on the status of U.S. troops.

"Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a drawdown of the American military presence," Post columnist Amir Taheri wrote, quoting Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, who told the Post that Obama, during his meeting with Iraqi leaders in July, "asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the U.S. elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington."

The charge -- that Obama asked the Iraqis to delay signing off on a "Status of Forces Agreement," thus delaying U.S. troop withdrawal and interfering in U.S. foreign policy -- has been picked up on the Internet, talk radio and by Republicans, including the McCain campaign, which seized on the story as possible evidence of duplicity.

The Obama campaign said that the Post report consisted of "outright distortions."

Lending significant credence to Obama's response is the fact that -- though it's absent from the Post story and other retellings -- in addition to Obama and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, this July meeting was also attended by Bush administration officials, such as U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker and the Baghdad embassy's legislative affairs advisor Rich Haughton, as well as a Republican senator, Chuck Hagel of Nebraska.

Attendees of the meeting back Obama's account, including not just Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., but Hagel, and Senate Foreign Relations Committee staffers from both parties. Officials of the Bush administration who were briefed on the meeting by the U.S. embassy in Baghdad also support Obama's account and dispute the Post story and McCain attack.

The Post story is "absolutely not true," Hagel spokesman Mike Buttry told ABC News.

"Barack Obama has never urged a delay in negotiations," said Obama campaign national security spokesperson Wendy Morigi, "nor has he urged a delay in immediately beginning a responsible drawdown of our combat brigades."

Buttry said that Hagel agrees with Obama's account of the meeting: Obama began the meeting with al-Maliki by asserting that the United States speaks with one foreign policy voice, and that voice belongs to the Bush administration.

A Bush administration official with knowledge of the meeting says that, during the meeting, Obama stressed to al-Maliki that he would not interfere with President Bush's negotiations concerning the U.S. troop presence in Iraq, and that he supports the Bush administration's position on the need to negotiate, as soon as possible, the Status of Forces Agreement, which deals with, among other matters, U.S. troops having immunity from local prosecution.

Obama did assert at the meeting with the Iraqis that he agrees with those -– including Hagel and Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., the ranking Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee -- who advocate congressional review of the Strategic Framework Agreement being worked out between the Bush administration and the Iraqi government, including the Iraqi parliament.

The Strategic Framework Agreement is a document that generally describes what the relationship between the two countries should look like over time.

According to one person present at the meeting, Obama told al-Maliki that the American people wouldn't understand why the Iraqi parliament would get to have a say on the Strategic Framework Agreement, but the U.S. Congress would not, especially since Bush is only months from leaving the White House, regardless of whether Obama or McCain succeeds him.

Morigi said in a statement that "Barack Obama has consistently called for any Strategic Framework Agreement to be submitted to the U.S. Congress so that the American people have the same opportunity for review as the Iraqi parliament."

It’s possible, Obama advisers believe, that either Zebari or Taheri confused the Strategic Framework Agreement -- which Obama feels should be reviewed by Congress -- with the Status of Forces Agreement, which Obama says the Bush administration should negotiate with the Iraqis as soon as possible.

Two officials of the Bush administration say that if Obama had done what the Post story asserted –- which they believe to be untrue -– Crocker and embassy officials attending the meeting would have ensured that the Bush administration heard about it immediately. If such an incident occurred in front of officials of the Bush administration, it would have constituted a foreign policy breach and would have been front-page huge news; it would not have leaked out two months later in an op-ed column.

Nonetheless, based on nothing more than the Post report, McCain senior foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann issued a statement earlier this week, expressing outrage.

“It should be concerning to all that (Obama) reportedly urged that the democratically-elected Iraqi government listen to him rather than the U.S. administration in power,” Scheunemann said, apparently not having talked to anyone with knowledge about the meeting in the Bush administration, the U.S. embassy in Baghdad, Hagel, or any Republican staffers on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

“If news reports are accurate, this is an egregious act of political interference by a presidential candidate seeking political advantage overseas,” Scheunemann continued. “Sen. Obama needs to reveal what he said to Iraq's foreign minister during their closed door meeting. The charge that he sought to delay the withdrawal of Americans from Iraq raises serious questions about Sen. Obama's judgment, and it demands an explanation.”

What actually demands an explanation is why the McCain campaign was so willing to give credence to such a questionable story with such tremendous international implications without first talking to Republicans present at Obama’s meeting with al-Maliki, who back Obama’s version of the meeting and completely dismiss the Post column as untrue.

-- Jake Tapper and Kirit Radia

source: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/undermining-mcc.html
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:42 PM
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26. Looks like Palin needs to talk to her own Repubs first as they are not backing her up
on this crap. Thank you Sen. Hagel for setting the record straight.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:50 PM
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28. yup... I'm rarely a fan of Hagel's politics--
--but I always respect the way he tells the truth. It must be so difficult to function in D.C. as an honest Republican, after eight years of the no-holds-barred atmosphere this administration has created.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:51 PM
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29. “If this is true, again,..."
Gov. Palin is jumpin' the shark, now. She needs to be challenged by Sen. Biden on this. She is now no longer amusing. She is a dangerous person that must be discredited in a harsh terms.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:47 PM
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27. How many unfounded charges can you make in a day?
This, Ayers, Acorn, ...

Do they think if they just make shit up fast, no one will check?
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:52 PM
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30. Sarah must've found Cindy's stash. nt
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:56 PM
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32. Pathetic attempt to distract from Palin's own legal problems today.
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