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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:30 AM Original message |
McCain and Palin Have Gone To Far. They Need to be ARRESTED! |
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BklynChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
1. I agree with you. What can we do to help in that effort? To whom would we write letters? I want |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. A number of DUers have called the Secret Service already. I'd like to see Local Law enforcement |
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BklynChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:35 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. on the phone w/Senate Ethics Committee right now. Anyone have number for secret service? |
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grannie4peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #1 |
14. i called the secret service-- google them---their phone # is posted |
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grannie4peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
2. i called the senate ethics committee this a.m. |
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BklynChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:33 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. thank you I'm gonna call right now. but what can they do? If anyone has other ideas, numbers pleas |
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grannie4peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. they said we can file complaints but that they cannot control the campaigns |
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CADEMOCRAT7 (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #2 |
60. I called just now, they said there is nothing they can do. |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #60 |
79. they'd sure do something if someone yelled out Kill Him and meant McCain. |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
4. I agree. |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
7. STOP IT! |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. NO! What they are doing is NOT Protected by Free Speech. They are inciting a Mob |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:46 AM Response to Reply #10 |
21. You clearly have no idea what the legal defintion of incitement is. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Fascism is one thing, inciting a crowd to hurt someone is another |
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Phredicles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Oh please. If it's legally acceptable for the MkKkrash campaign to incite |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #13 |
58. I prefer to leave my head firmly stuck in the Constitution |
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xiamiam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:41 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. I agree with you but..as paid public servants, inciting people to hatred seems a little more than |
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grannie4peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:41 AM Response to Reply #7 |
17. i'm sorry---we are not inciting riots!!! |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:44 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. A bunch of dickheads yelling epithets is not a riot either |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:46 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. No, but it's definitely a mob. |
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grannie4peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #19 |
36. comparing the two is like apples to oranges |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #7 |
18. The question is whether McCain/Palin's speech creates a clear and present danger. |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:47 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. ah yes, the "bad tendency" rule |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:49 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. They've incited an ANGRY mob into believe Obama is a terrorist. |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:50 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. So making people angry should be illegal? |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #28 |
40. The point here seems to be that it should be illegal for black people to run for president. |
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taddles (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:09 AM Original message |
You seem to conveniently forget that the guy who yelled "KILL HIM" |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
57. "uninformed whining about free speech" |
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taddles (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #57 |
85. My apologies to you and Viking if I came off as shrill. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. It's okay - It's "Silly Season" again |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #85 |
89. Apology accepted. |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:50 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Then complain to the Supreme Court. |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. ..and, thankfully, the Supreme Court abandoned that rule 80 years ago. |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #29 |
87. Nonsense. |
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grannie4peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:00 AM Response to Reply #18 |
37. amen!!!!!! |
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ceejdre82 (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #18 |
98. I agree... |
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taddles (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #7 |
41. Inciting violence IS NOT FREE SPEECH. |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:09 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Wow, what a literate retort. |
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taddles (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Please, your ignorant high horse shit is weak. |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. LOL. I guess I was bedazzled by all of the relevant Court cases you cited |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Another thing these people don't understand is against whom these cases are normally brought |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #59 |
90. Precisely. Under the doctrine advocated by many posters here, 1/2 of DU would be in jail |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #7 |
63. You're on your own, tiger. And you might want to learn the first 5 words of the 1st Amendment, too. |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #63 |
96. WTF does the phrase "Congress shall make no law..." have to do with any of this? |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
74. Inciting riots IS against the law and NOT protected by the First Amendment. n/t |
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alwysdrunk (908 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #74 |
91. McCain incited a riot? Really? |
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Crooked Moon (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #7 |
93. thank you |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
8. not in the USA |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:49 AM Response to Reply #8 |
25. The lack of understanding of relevant First Amendment principles around DU is disquieting |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:55 AM Response to Reply #25 |
33. It's disgusting isn't it. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. It's understandable |
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taddles (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #35 |
52. Please enlighten us |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:19 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. You think every investigation results in an arrest, or even a conviction? |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:52 AM Response to Reply #8 |
30. What would happen to a dark-skinned person in an airport if someone yelled: "He's Got a Bomb!"... |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:01 AM Response to Reply #30 |
38. Hardly |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:56 AM Response to Reply #8 |
34. Another voice of reason. Thank you. |
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symbolman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
9. In another thread I urged everyone to write or call Congress |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
16. If anything happens to Obama, all hell will break loose. |
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demokatgurrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #16 |
76. With that I agree 100 percent. They don't want to see |
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Billy Burnett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
20. Pretty much the way the world thinks about the USA threatening and endangering everyone. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
23. Agreed, Distracting us from National Security Concerns is Treason. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #23 |
67. another constitutional scholar. NOT. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #67 |
92. LOL, who switched your coffee for decaf? Your one note is "sour" today... |
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meow2u3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
31. Threats against Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates are a Federal felony |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #31 |
45. Ah, good a statute... |
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blue-kite (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:21 AM Response to Reply #31 |
55. Then McCain/Palin are not guilty then...? |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
32. MEDIA BOYCOTT of their events would be a big help too. |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
39. Nonsense. |
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ObamaKerryDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Not when they're threatening someone elses' safety, they don't.. |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. I support people's right to hate. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:12 AM Response to Reply #44 |
51. What? No thought crime? |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. FYI, hate speech is not illegal nor should it be. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. A lot of folks here think it is... |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:32 AM Response to Reply #50 |
69. of course, a lot of those same people would be guilty of it, if it was illegal |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. When Cindy Sheehan called Bush a terrorist, was that also "hate speech"? |
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ObamaKerryDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #49 |
61. I've never heard Cindy Sheehan or her sympathizers actually threaten Bush's LIFE, though.. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. And you heard Palin do this? Or McCain? |
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ObamaKerryDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. No, but by invoking such sentiments from their supporters.. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:34 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Sheehan refers to chimpy as a terrorist |
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ObamaKerryDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #70 |
75. I didn't say that. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #75 |
80. i agree fully that they can and must be called out politically for this |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #68 |
77. I absolutely agree with you on the moral and political aspects of it |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
43. I don't know about that. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:21 AM Response to Reply #43 |
56. Bingo |
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Az_lefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #43 |
72. Yep, Obama is the one coming across as positive and attracting swing voters... |
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daggahead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
62. I said this in another thread ... |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
64. speech would need to incite "imminent lawless action", otherwise it's constitutionally protected. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
66. McCain/Palin are only successul in bringing themselves farther out |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #66 |
81. It's the campaign death rattle |
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CADEMOCRAT7 (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
71. Focus on abuse of power and holding accountability. |
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xiamiam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. good point..reckless abuse of power...and influence..nt |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #71 |
82. Ties in with the theme Obama hit of intemperate comments like 'Bomb Iran" etc. /nt |
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CADEMOCRAT7 (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #82 |
97. Exactly ! n/t |
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Generator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
78. I'd prefer public flogging |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Aha - see - now you have made a "threat of bodily harm" to a candidate! |
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workinclasszero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
83. Palin and McCain rallies are becoming more like nazi brownshirt hate fests everyday |
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ceejdre82 (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #83 |
99. simple and well said!!!! |
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Rocknrule (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
86. But in Bush Amerika, the law doesn't apply to Republicans |
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mscuedawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
94. McCain Rallies: Domestic Terrorism....alive & well in the US of A |
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nini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-10-08 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
95. I think their secret service guys should turn to them and say |
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