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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:41 PM
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A Perfect Response To Ayers Bullshit:
First, lay out the facts. The 'relationship' between those two is small. They knew each other, lived in the same neighborhood. Ayers and him served on an education board. And that's about as far as it goes. He wasn't "palling around" with Ayers.

Then if they STILL don't listen, and they won't, point out the fact check that CNN did that showed the McCain advertisements are lyings and mislead people about Obama's ties to Ayers.

If they keep it up, ask them this:

"Did you vote for George W. Bush?"

9 times out of 10 if they're bringing up Ayers, they'll say yes to this question.

Once they answer yes, ask them if they're aware that George W. Bush's family has financial ties with the Bin Ladens?

That should shut them up. I say should, but it probably won't.

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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:43 PM
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1. Bushes' financial ties with the Bin Ladins would be an eye opener to voters!
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:43 PM
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3. I was thinking of a proper response to the Ayers stuff, and that popped into my head.
The freepers LOVE Bush still.

They'll be speechless.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:43 PM
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2. Wasn't H.W. Bush having breakfast with Osama's uncle on the morning of 9/11? nt
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:44 PM
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4. Another point to present to them. Osama was a known terrorist, and the Bushs had ties to them anyway
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:45 PM
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5. The simplest would be to say:
Reagan was a close friend of Walter Annenberg. Annenberg asked Obama and Ayers to serve on his education committee. Annenburg gave Ayers $50 million for education programs. Are Annenberg and Reagan, by association, palling around with a terrorist?

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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:46 PM
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6. Tying Reagan into the mix will cause the freepers to melt down n/t
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:48 PM
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7. Isn't that what you want?
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:49 PM
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8. Yes, it is. The Reagan point combined with the Bush one will make their heads spin.
They see blood in the water. They're ready to bite. Let's bite back.
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mduffy31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:51 PM
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9. How about the Bush Family's ties to Hitler also?
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:54 PM
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10. The part I don't understand, is what would they have wanted Obama to do?
Not that it really matters because they'll find fault with whatever decision Obama made, but for the sake of conversation, what should he have done?

Research the history of other board members before accepting the position? Decide to not serve on the board even though it was for a cause he believed would benefit the community? Punch Ayers in the face? What?
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:54 PM
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11. perfect response is this
I met William Ayers almost 40 years after the events in question by John. 40 years. I was 8 years old. It is insulting to the American public to waste their time knowing there is no possible way I could ever have been active in William Ayers terrorist group. We can only assume then that my opponent objects to the charitable organization that both Ayers and I were members of. I think it's time John McCain answer to the American people what he has against educating our younth? We should ask what John McCain has against eliminating American poverty? Does John McCain reject these two goals that had bipartisan membership because he doesn't care about poverty and education or because he supports Americans being uneducated and poor? Which is it John? You talk up your bipartisanship. Are you to tell Americans you would not move past 40 year old mistakes if it gave young Americans an education, if it gave Americans a chance at the American dream. If it was up to my opponents we would still be at war against England. My opponents won't answer these questions because as we've seen in the past three debates they don't have the answers to any questions.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 11:15 PM
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12. Too wordy for people with low intellect and attention span.
Just say Reagan -> Walter Annenburg -> $50 million -> William Ayers.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 12:08 AM
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15. I disagree
you got 90 seconds to fill. You have enough time to point out how stupid of the Ayers question is and turn this Ayers question back onto John McCain. You have to turn the question back on McCain because it makes McCain look weak. What kind of leader would turn his back on a bipartisan chance to educate our youth? The same leader that is too afraid to meet the leader of Iran, too afraid to kill Bin Laden no matter where he may hide. You must address the subject this way. McCain's fear of the William Ayers (a 60 year old professor) is not something to be proud of, it's a sign of weakness. Do that on debate night and the election is over. People are smarter than politicians think. People didn't like McCain telling them they didn't know who Freddie and Fanny were. People know a 8 year old boy was not part of the weather underground. So turn the subject back on McCain. This stuff works. Repeating the same answer McCain is expecting doesn't work because he has a counter attack ready for his 1 minute response. McCain has no answer to why he's a afraid of 60 year old professor and why he doesn't want your kids to go to school and not fall into poverty. Attack and win the debate, simply responding to attacks makes you look weak.
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 11:19 PM
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13. No. It is a whole lot simpler than that.
Ayres and Obama were both invited on the board by Annenberg.

Walter Annenberg was a Republican, and a huge supporter of the GOP.

There were lots of Republicans on that board too. End of story.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/walter_annenberg_was_friend_to.html
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 12:13 AM
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16. And Annenberg contributes and supports
mccain. mccain accuses Obama of everything mccain is guilty of.
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 07:09 AM
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17. Exactly. Big McCain supporter recruited domestic terrorist for his board
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 11:50 AM
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18. Precisely the way that
went down. I'm passing it on.
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HamstersFromHell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 11:28 PM
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14. Push it right back on McSame and the government...
If they bring it up, ask them if they are implying that the FBI, the CIA, the Department of Homeland Security and the Secret Service were all so remiss as to NOT find this "obvious terrorist connection" for so long that Obama not only managed to get elected United States Senator, but has also ascended to a candidate for the Presidency of the United States?

Likewise, of McSame has information connecting Obama with a terrorist group, isn't he remiss in his duties as a former Naval Officer as well as Senator in not immediately forwarding such information to the proper authorities? (And isn't witholding such information in a "time of war" also in itself an act of treason on his part?)
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