If McCain attacks Obama on Bill Ayers in the next debate, what should Obama's response be?

[Quixote1818]

It sounds like the base is going to be real disappointed if McCain doesn't hit Obama with Ayers in the next debate. They are really putting the pressure on for that exchange along with the ACORN thing.

Will McCain be pushed into this attack? And if he does, what will be Obama's response? I suspect it will be good!

[Starbucks Anarchist]

1. "I was 8 in 1969, you were 58 when you met Keating."

[karynnj]

42. Nice line

I think another direct way to attack it, now that McCain has gone to putting it in an ad is to make a very simple commercial. The other people on that board are very mainstream people, including a minister. Either having them all in a group - or a series of photos with their titles or credentials.

[goclark]

48. Love that one!

[Shae]

55. Obama is culpable for Ayers' crimes . . .

McCain's association with Keating was a youthful indiscretion.

It's the Republican Way!

[FrenchieCat]

2. It should be the truth.......

There is no there there.

[AllentownJake]

3. Obama was ready for Ayers on Tuesday

The I dare you to say it pretty much says Obama is loaded for Bear on his response. Hell by now its probably already been focused grouped.

[Quixote1818]

5. Exactly! That is what I am thinking. They are ready to counter punch for a knock out

and I wonder what that counter punch will be?

[AllentownJake]

13. I think its one of those statements

that will make McCain throw a temper tantrum no matter how medicated he is live on TV and Obama can deliver it so cleverly that people will say what is John so upset about.

[Orangepeel]

4. McCain won't say it to Obama's face.

the weasel.

[aaaaaa5a]

6. He should bring up the AIP!

[Quixote1818]

8. I agree and perhaps Palin's minister who chases Witches. nt

[Dr Fate]

7. Perhaps a more interesting question: Should Obama bring it up first?

What if Obama challenged him to say it to his face before McCain could even get started?

"It" being Obama's rephrased version of the issue.

[Quixote1818]

9. Holy Shit! That could make McCain look like a pussy! That would be brilliant! nt

[Neutralator]

30. I was gonna say the samething. It is out there in the open. Barack should openly confront McCain but

..Only if the poll numbers seem to get worse in response to these attacks.

If the attack is not changing the poll numbers then let McCain drown in his own attacks.

[msongs]

10. "ya know John, unlike you I have NEVER cheated on my wife" nt

[Dr Fate]

11. McCain has claimed that the Ayers "issue" is "about honesty." n/t

n/t

[mainer]

18. I wish. But he's too classy to bring this up.

I'd love to see McCain's face if Obama ever said this. He'd probably go bright red and have a stroke.

[Sugarcoated]

12. The beauty of this is

with Barack (and Joe) calling McInsaneclown on his shit, to "say it to my face", the clown looks like a pussy if he doesn't, and if he does, Obama is ready for him. In front of millions of people. This is just too gloriously beautiful for me to take it. :bounce:

[Quixote1818]

14. Good point. nt

[Shae]

56. Obama and Biden . . .

are goading him into saying something.

Now he's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.

[Swede]

15. In the immortal words of Elaine Benes.

"I'll drop you like a bag of dirt,old man."

[BlooInBloo]

16. I'm so comfortable letting him make that decision, it's not even funny.

[Deliphus]

17. If it was me...

I'd say: if this was such an important issue for the American people, why did you wait until the polls showed you're likely to lose the election before you brought it up?

Let's see McDisaster talk his way out of THAT one!

[TooRaLoo]

19. AIP. "keep up the good work" -Palin, in March 2008 nt

[sunnybrook]

20. apparently he has some good comebacks prepared

because he and Joe are going around saying "why not say it to my face," obviously trying to force him to do that. They are definitely ready for this.

[PresidentObama]

21. "President Bush's family, and you vote with Bush 90% the time, has financial ties with Bin Ladens"

If it's guilt by association, let's play.

[Clio the Leo]

22. He should whip out his Blackberry and text the following to Joe....

"Boooyah! Our strategy last week worked! He's imploding right here on stage!"

[BlueIdaho]

23. McCain is playing checkers - Obama is playing chess...

What ever Barack says it will leave McCain about as dumbstruck as he was when Barack walked him into a corner and dropped the hammer on him about all the things he just couldn't "understand."

[theothersnippywshrub]

24. Obama should say: "John has been talking to his followers about this for many weeks. And yet John

and I have been together in these debate for those same many weeks and he has not brought these questions up to my face until now. If John really believed that these questions were related to the issues that are important to the American people, then why hasn't John brought this up before?

Maybe John now thinks that the American people don't care anymore about the economy. Maybe John now thinks that the American people don't care anymore about the value of their IRA and 401k accounts. Maybe John now thinks that the American people don't care anymore about losing their jobs. Maybe John now thinks that the American people don't care anymore about losing their homes. Maybe John now thinks that the American people don't care anymore about the cost or the availability of health care. Maybe John now thinks that the American people don't care about the cost of sending their kids to college. Maybe John now thinks that the American people don't care about the world they are leaving to their children. Well I care about all of those things. And I think the American people care about those things.

Maybe John is becoming fearful that he could lose this election because he has so little to offer the American people. All that John has to offer is the Campaign of Hate. I believe in a Campaign of Hope. A hope and a belief that we can work together and make America not just as great as this country has always been but even greater than anyone has yet imagined. Hope is better than hate. You know it. And I know it. And even John, late, late at night when he is finally being honest with himself, even John knows it.

That being said, John McCain is not only an un-American cock sucking piece of shit, he is an anti-American cock sucking piece of shit. The shit eating turd has no honor. The shit eating turd has no integrity. He lies more easily than most Americans wink. There is a special place in hell for John Sidney McCain III. Right next to his cock sucking anti-American ancestors.

(I might omit the last paragraph. But maybe not.)

[boppers]

25. ROFL at the last para

Nice work... little homophobic, but shocking.

edit: there's some underlying prejudices in there.

[theothersnippywshrub]

26. Prejudices n the last graph or in the preceding ones?

In the last graph I was trying to offend McCain and his supporters as much as possible. I meant it to be satirical. I tamed it down from the first draft, but I probably deleted more genderless specific insults than I left in. The first draft of the last graph was almost as long as the entire damn post. And I thought the post was too damn long.

[boppers]

27. Let me try to be clinical.

Okay, two things stand out.

'Shit eating': This is a fairly universal taboo, which prevents lower GI parasites from taking over upper GI spaces.

'Cock sucking': This, OTOH, is a fairly common behavior in both men who have sex with men, women who have sex with men, and (using metaphorical and literal phalluses) women who have sex with women.

Speaking as a man, I have nothing against such behavior, in fact, I quite enjoy it.

Speaking as an advocate of GLBTQA (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Trans(gender|sexual), Queer, and Allies), I'd note that using 'Cock Sucker' in a derogatory fashion often is used to alienate, and isolate, that who 'suck' upon 'cock' as being "different" or "outsiders".

I would suggest that 'Cock sucking' not only be allowed in the DU tent, but embraced (and enjoyed) by it, to such an extent that such a phrase is no longer a (often homophobic) slur, but a compliment.

[theothersnippywshrub]

28. LOL !

[boppers]

32. No retractions?

Are insertions preferred?

[Alter Ego]

52. A bunch of freepers IMed me during the 2004 debates to call me

unamerican scum when I called Bush a cocksucker.

It was pretty damn funny. One of them was like this sociopathic Hannibal-Lecter-meets-Jason-Voorhees type who was like "YOU KNOW WHAT THIS COUNTRY NEEDS? MORE BOMBS. LOTS OF BOMBS. WE NEED MORE BOMBS! BIG ONES!"

[Neutralator]

31. Brilliant!

McCain said he got this attack from Hillary but that was 6 months ago! WHY DID HE WAIT SO LONG??

[EffieBlack]

29. "John, you ignorant slut."

:spank:

[TexasObserver]

40. Ha!!

[alwysdrunk]

33. McCain won't bring it up

I really don't think McCain even likes all of this Ayers business. It was probably something the RNC made him do. He knows he's probably going to lose. He at least wants to keep some dignity and respect for himself. Do you think he really wants to be remembered as an angry, tantrum throwing old man would who try anything to win?

[PretzelWarrior]

34. It should be, "Fuck you, old man. You've been pwn'd"

or something like that.

[WCGreen]

53. That was my first inclination...

[rainbow4321]

35. AIP....

Besides KO's show, her AIP connnction has not been heard of alot in the MSM.

Especially given that public records showed that her husband was a party member til just a few years ago...and some of the party's heads anti USA quotes have been floating around the news.

[Essene]

36. Review campaign lobbyist ties, the rick davis lie and palin's AIP connection. Mock guilty by assoc.

and then IMMEDIATELY get back to discussing the economy without blinking, charlie.

[elizm]

37. Obama will know exactly the right way to respond. nt

[specialed]

38. McCain is trying to twist it to be about Judgment...

Then make it about Judgment. Tell how his association with Bill Ayers was for the an organization that promoted education and this shows how Obama's judgment related towards achieving a stated Goal. Then frame that with Iran / NK Missle talks and then contrast McCain's judgment by his associating with Singlaub & Keating. Where the ayers association was for the Good of kids and the community McCains associations with these two men was for subverting the constitution through Iran Contra and protecting a crooked banker from oversight and regulation.

[TexasObserver]

39. His response should be: "Fuck off, Grumpy! I'll beat you like a rented mule!"

[wvbygod]

41. I don't understand why Obama does not just throw ayers under the bus?

Anyone trying to blow up public buildings should be avoided at all costs.

[SoonerPride]

43. He already has. Months ago. Try and keep the fuck up

[Proud Liberal Dem]

45. Isn't Obama denouncing what Ayers did in the past good enough?

And for crissakes, REPUBLICANS served with Ayers on these boards and none of them (surely knowing SOMETHING about his checkered past) didn't feel the need to remove themselves from those boards or demand Ayers' resignation from any of them AFAIK so why should there have been any reason for Obama to have done so? The hypocrisy exhibited by the Republicans in regards to Obama's association with Ayers is jaw-dropping, especially when you consider not only the behavior exhibited by the kind of company THEY keep but the kind of company they allow WITHIN THEIR OWN RANKS(Newt Gingrich, Tom DeLay, David Vitter, Mark Foley anybody?). Republicans are setting themselves up for an even greater "epic fail" if they want to keep playing this "guilt-by-association" game of theirs and so far, it's not even working very well for them.

[AngryOldDem]

46. Why give this any more attention?

Obama was asked about, and he answered, his relationship with Ayers.

This is nothing but an irrelevant distraction trotted out by a candidate -- er, I mean HACK -- who knows he cannot intelligently discuss the issues anymore. I daresay that right now most voters couldn't give a rat's shit about Bill Ayres.

[Higher Standard]

44. "John, your priorities seem to be off."

"While the average American is seeing gas prices rise, mortgages that are choking them, the value of the 401Ks dropping like a stone, and are struggling to keep their families fed, you want to spend all your time discussing my casual acquaintances. The American people have heard all this before during the primaries. They heard and they didn't buy into it. But now, rather than being focused on the American people, your focus remains on me and these non-issues. John, don't you think people want a president who will focus on them all and not just on one political rival?"

[renie408]

47. I vote for this one. n/t

[demokatgurrl]

49. But hasn't Obama already answered this

a couple of times? By the way has anyone seen the sleazy ad?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081010/ap_on_el_pr/mccain

[Essene]

50. btw... mccain wont have the guts to bring it up at the debate...

He'd look like one of the biggest douchebags in the last century if he got up there in Obama's presence and yapped that nonsense. Obama was utterly destroy him and even the silent audience would ABSOLUTELY boo him.

Have no doubt, Mccain knows this is about baiting the MEDIA into a frenzy... not about actually pushing the substance of the charges.

[Higher Standard]

51. He already can't look Obama in the eye

How would it look if he brought all his filth up and still couldn't look him in the eye?

[Vinca]

54. First, he should pin McCain down. Make him tell him the evidence

that he is pals with Ayers. Then he should ask McCain if he's familiar with his own supporters the Annenbergs and talk about how they appointed Ayers to their board because he is now an expert in his field. If McCain doesn't STFU, he can inquire about McCain's associations with dubious groups and individuals and how he happened to select a VP candidate with ties to a secessionist group. If Rev. Wright is brought up he's got the witch doctor tape and Revs. Hagee, Roberts and Falwell to fall back on. Obama needs to preface the exchange by saying there are important problems in this nation today, so let's clear this up once and for all. After the exchange he should say, I now expect my opponent will be talking on the issues tomorrow and not engaging in Swiftboat tactics.