Why losing will be good for the Republicans

[AzNick]

Sincerely I am hoping for the GOP to hit rock bottom, and this not because I root for the other team.

I think they need to go through a big soul searching experience as well as a big reform so that the new generation steps up to the plate, with people like Jeff Flake (my representative, see below) among others, to bring back some common sense to this party, because we need two strong parties

By cheating in two successive elections and resorting to the same dirty tricks over and over, the GOP has become lazy and weak, therefore unfit for command.

Even as a Dem, I feel we need a strong and sensible counterpoint in the GOP. They need to clean up their house, kick the neo-cons, and stop with the presidential puppetry (which means putting Caribou Barbie back in her box, put her in storage and throw away the key).

They need to stop with the dumbing down of their rhetoric, they need to stop being the party of talking the talk and running away in the opposite direction of the walk, by preaching their Christian values but sinning at every occasion (lie, greed, false icons -in the dollar bill-, divisiveness: everything that Jesus preached against).

We need the fiscal conservatives to prevent the liberal spenders from going overboard, and we need intelligent debates. It seems that most Americans, consciously or not, agree with me.

I did not really know who Jeff Flake was until I saw him on Bill Maher last year. Why would Bill, out of 435 representatives, pick a Mormon Republican from Arizona's 6th district to speak about the issues of the time (the war in Iraq was the big one issue back then -Flake was first for it, then against it, so common)?

I guess that's because he saw that he represents the next generation of Republican politicians, with strong, honest values and also quite a bit of common sense. You need to give that one to the LDS people: you may not share their belief, they are very conservative and borderline racist, but they are honest people, true to their word (yes, I work with many, I live by many).

Don't get me wrong: I will vote for the democratic candidate, Rebecca Schneider, knowing well that he will pass anyway, with the intent to show how strong we Dems are in the Mesa-Gilbert-Chandler-Apache Junction area (probably the most middle-class area in the State).

But I would not feel as bummed, were he to win, as if John Shadegg were to win.

Jeff Flake at project Vote Smart:
http://www.vote-smart.org/bio.php?can_id=28128

[Bicoastal]

1. Call me crazy, but I too believe a one-party system would be to our nation's detriment.

'Cause if anything goes wrong--and something always does--the ones in charge get all the blame in addition to all the credit. Problem is, who's gonna provide the Democrats with Checks and Balances now? Come 2009, it ain't gonna be the Republicans.

THE REVOLUTION STARTS WITH RON PAUL!! :rofl:

[midnight]

2. They need to loose because they lost..... They lost the last

two presidential elections, and had it not be for the supreme court "Gore VS Bush" stepping in and stopping our right to count the vote-we would have been spared this corruption. They are not lazy, but driven to cheat. They need to go home and stay there. and write down for the next twenty years that cheating is wrong........

[AzNick]

4. Cheating is yet another sin

I may sound like a Christian (which I am not) or a religious zealot, but they have acted against their own system of values, or at least the system of values which they pretend they have.

What happened to the "Moral high ground"? Flooded by Katrina.

[iiibbb]

3. I just hope winning isn't bad for Democrats...

... I think Obama understands... but Democrats should be pretty careful how they treat their mandate.

1) Economy
2) Energy
3) Health care
4) War

If they get bogged down passing crap like gun control etc, and don't manage to make inroads on all 4 of these things, they could find the swing to the left short lived, especially if the Republicans actually do learn and bring forth a popular candidate in 2012.

[invictus]

5. I believe in the two-party system, however I think the Republicans should be kept out of power for..

... for at least 20 years in order to get rid of all the racist, ultra-nationalist, anti-abortion, anti-evolution, pro-war extremists who have taken over their party.

[iceman66]

6. It would be nice

if we had two reasonable parties to chose from, because reasonable minds can differ on the issues.

The way I see it, however, the (present) Republican party is more of a crime syndicate masquerading as a political party than an actual party.

[AzNick]

8. Soul Searching is the keyword

The problem is that many people have been brainwashed into that mindset, by all the Limbaughs and O'Reillys out there.

It is going to be a long, very long walk for the GOP.

In 2012 most of their gimmicks will be gone. Obama will have not attended a service at a mosque, will have attended a Christian church regularly, will not have destroyed America from the inside as he would have done had he been the Islamic terrorist some have come to think he is, freepers will not have been sent to concentration camps or turned into lamps, so all that silly rhetoric will be gone.

It will be back to the basic: social and economic debates, and the balance of powers.

[Cosmocat]

20. No it won't ... The Rs are the Rs, and they ain't going to "evolve" ...

The republicans are the republicans.

Sorry, but this is the party that rose to power, at least in presidential politics, but electing a man who spent three decades honing a message of "the eleven worst words you can hear are, "I am from the government, and I am here to help you." He got in in great part because of a back room deal with the Iranians to hold the hostages, then got into Iran Contra other crape.

Clinton won the presidency, and these crazy A MFers spent his entire presidency attacking him, trying to say he dealt drugs and had Vince Foster killed, with control of the house investigated him almost 50 times for nonsense like the fan mail to their freakin pet dog, then had him all but inpeached for lying about a gall darn blow job.

Sorry, but I follow this stuff pretty serious, and who are the "young" leaders in the House Adam Putnam and Eric Cantor - these two are cut WHOLE CLOTH from Tom Delay, cut throat, deranged partisan lunatics. And, all losing is going to do for Rush and Hannity and the LEGIONS of radio whores is give them the moral indignation of being out of power, this is where these lunatics LIKE it.

Sorry, but do not think they will just step back and rationally reconsider their party - they are incapable of that, they have LONG lost all sense and reason to the nonsense they spew. And, GOD WILLING BO wins, 2012 is NOT going be reasoned debates on issues. SOMETHING, some THINGS are going to happen and they WILL tie into it like maniacs.

What if there is another big terror attack? They won't be reasoned like the Ds were in 2001 and be all "we are all americans" NO FIN WAY, the NEXT DAY Hannity and all will be RAILING about how they warned us about it, and how Obama failed. They will lie, make things up, whatever they need to do find some toe hold for some moral high ground to beat the shiite out of him and Ds.

NOW - there is one mitigating factor here, and that is demographics. The clock MAY be running out on Rs based on increasing numbers of minorities.

BUT, make no mistake, these MFers are the scorpions riding the frog, they are who they are, it is their nature, they have been doing it my entire life, and even if they slid into the margins a bit because of numbers, they STILL are going to be flag waving, bible thumping, righteous lunatics with NO, ZERO sense of reason.

[nam78_two]

7. Even as a Dem, I feel we need a strong and sensible counterpoint in the GOP

You make a great point and I have always felt that the Dems should not have that inherently undemocratic idea of a "100 year rule" or whatever it was that Gingrich called it back in the 90s. Ideally I wish we had a multiple parties with a shot and IRV. But while there is a two-party system, while I know philosophically I would probably never agree with cons, I wish we could move away from our current reality, where the GOP is basically the mob with a crazy fascistic religious insanity streak thrown in.

It would be nice to have an opposition party where even if you disagree with them completely, at least you could have some respect for them as opponents and some clues that they were generally well-meaning and not crazy/racist/homophobic looters. Basically, I wish we didn't have to start considering moving to another country every time these nuts come in power.

[dbackjon]

9. so obviously equal rights for all Americans is not a priority to you.

[AzNick]

10. How exactly did you come to this conclusion?

Not everybody agrees with you.

I am LGBT myself (I am a B).

I am for Gay marriage, but a majority of Americans are still against.

Proposition 102 is likely to pass in Arizona and eventually it will be State right versus the Constitution and that is why we need to win, as 3 Supreme Court Judges are likely to step down due to old age, and expect Hillary Clinton to get a seat.

In 10 years from now, we will have Gay marriage.

But you need to compose with the opposition, and in order to do that, you need them to have sensible representation, not an extremist raunchy crowd of "kill him" yellers.

We will always have to face the "kill him" yelles at one point or another, but their representatives need to be able to turn towards them and calm down their feelings while promising to represent their points of views and worries, instead of exploiting their negative feelings, by regularly adding fuel to the fire.

Do you still think I am against equal right?

[dbackjon]

14. Flake is rabidly homophobic and anti-gay

The Mormon Church is leading the charge on this.

I don't care about his other good qualities - this trumps them all.

[AzNick]

16. I know that...

But you cannot change people's mind, sometimes, but at least get them to compromise.

That's what leading is about.

[dbackjon]

21. They will never compromise on the issues that are important to me

[Johonny]

11. Just maybe the fiscal conservative republicans will run

someone for an office. I mean what happen to that part of the party?

[WeDidIt]

12. This loss could end their existance as a party

If Bob Barr can tick up enough to qualify the Libertarian Party for federal matching funds, we could actually see the rise of the Libertarians and the demise of the Republicans.

[Jennicut]

13. Jeff Flake is a good guy even for a Rethug.

They really need to go back to being the fiscally conservative/ not so socially conservative party. The party of Lincoln/Truman has ironically become the Dems at this point. Old time Republicanism is all but dead.

[chiefofclarinet]

18. I'm assuming you mean Lincoln/T. Roosevelt or Lincoln/Eisenhower

Truman was a Democrat.

Otherwise, I agree with what you said. I want the opposition to differ with Democrats strictly on the issues at hand, not legality of their actions.

[Bake]

15. Because it will get them OUT OF OFFICE!! That's why.

Out of office, and unable to continue their life's work of trashing the Constitution, bankrupting America, widening the class gulf, etc.

Bake

[AzNick]

17. Yes, but a one-party rule is not necessarily good

Because in our party, we have several components, just like the GOP does.

Eventually we could end up with bitter inner-fights, like the LGBT issues that "came out" last week, for instance.

Adversity against one common opponent is what creates party unity.

Look at our party after the primaries and now just before the generals.

Broken, then reunited.

[Bake]

19. True enough.

But they've had more than their share of one-party rule for the last few years. It didn't take nearly as long to corrupt them as it did the Dems. I hope we LEARNED something while we were out of power.

Bake