What will Happen if Obama Loses?

[Hellataz]

So, not to be a "negative nancy" here, and I'm pretty sure it's a done deal for Obama, but as I had mentioned in a previous thread a couple of days ago (and was so quickly dismissed) CNN's analyst have brought up the same issue tonight...RACE. One CNN Analysts said to not get to cocky because of several survey conducted that showed we might be in for a tighter race then we suspect because (again as i mentioned) A lot of people say they are voting for Obama, but will ultimately vote for McCain when they are alone behind the voting curtain. We should never discount the many people out there that want to look "PC" ad say "I'm voting for Obama" while secretly surrendering to their old fashion culturally instilled racism. Again I'm not trying to be a "debbie downer" nor bring up an issue that we already discussed, but I did want to discuss what this analyst said at the end of his comments. He implied without fulling stating it, that if race becomes an issue and come Nov and Obama is ahead in the polls and still loses, then we as a country are in for a world of trouble. Now I first thought he meant that we were gonna go through another Bush/Gore recount fiasco (which may still happen) but when i thought about the way he said it, I realized he might have meant that if Obama loses when everyone is so sure he will win, it could cause a race riot, or at least a huge divide in our country followed by a lot of hate, anger and suspicion.
This would be really bad.

I hadn't thought much about it till i watched an episode of 30 rock and Tina Fey's character "Liz" said she was supporting Obama but would be secretly voting for McCain. I know it was a joke on Tina Fey's part, but it made me think I wasn't too off base to have had this thought, especially if it was so common place that she would use it as topical humor on her show.

Now I am pretty confident this wont happen and Obama will win and all will be right again, but I always prepare for the worst and McCain does have a month left to pull some stunt as well as fuel the racism fires he and Palin have already started in their rallies. So I am really hoping that this Race issue that is being brought up will not turn into an problem because it wont just be bad for us democrats to not have Obama in office but also it will really hurt all the progress we as a country have made toward tolerance and equality if ever the question arises "Did Obama lose cause he's black?"

I'm with Obama's Campaign and am going to remain non-cocky till the end of this month.

[Whalestoe]

1. The Bradley Effect doesn't exist. It didn't exist during the primaries for Obama either.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/08/persistent-myth-of-bradley-effect.html

Obama out performs himself a majority of the time. Just keep working. There is no IF Obama loses; we HAVE to win!

[Hellataz]

7. Thank you for the article, that helps. but...

There's still the "what if" factor, with dirty politics and shady voting...It's a serious concern if Obama loses that Race will become a larger issue in this country.

[Whalestoe]

12. "What if"

What if a Super Volcano explodes before the election? What if a black hole sucks us into where ever they go? What if we get nuked? There would be no election. Who gives a fucking about the what if factor: just keep working. Race is and has been a large issue in this country forever.

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[Hellataz]

4. Not sure what that means, but I have a valid point.

At Least Obama isn't as cocky as some people around here. And good for him.

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[truthisfreedom]

3. We appreciate your concern.

Your concern.

[vaberella]

5. I approve this message. n/t

[alwysdrunk]

6. People will stop voting

One thing I think will happen is a lot of people who don't usually vote, or when they do they only chose the lesser of two evils, will never vote again. I mean if we end up with a Bush-type republican after all of this, then there really is no nope. I might still vote but I will never donate to campaigns again.

[TexasObserver]

8. Thanks.

I'll add you to the "watch" list.

[Hellataz]

Thanks back..

For taking a valid point discussed tonight on CNN as a way to determine i'm unstable just cause I reposted it.

[Hellataz]

double post. *delete*

[FrenchieCat]

9. Don't worry. Folks are being allowed to be racist to a maximum

if you hadn't notice. There is no PC this election season. The Black guy can be called a terrorist, "that one", uppity, folks can scream "Kill him" and anything else in the book. To top it off, folks can either choose to vote for a war hero or a Woman if they want to.

So why would anyone lie about who they will be voting for? Who are they hiding it from? :shrug:

If anything, it appears that some folks are most likely hiding the fact that they will be pulling the lever for Obama once they get in the booth. But because they are afraid of having their signs stolen, or argued down with folks accusing him of being a Muslim, folks will say they'll vote for McCain, but not really.

Maybe you hadn't noticed, but being a rabid racists has been made cool again.

[Whalestoe]

11. You reminded me

Of all the reasons I hate McCain and Palin. Some people tell me not to make this election too personal, but every time they say those things about Barack--they are saying it to me, to you, to all of us who have done something for his campaign. He represents us and they're calling our representative a terrorist? I fucking want to explode. Thankfully, Barack is cool and doesn't represent that side of me!

[rebel with a cause]

15. It's enough to make a grown woman cry....

I hate the way this country has fell backward in the last years. And it has been going on longer than the last eight.

If Barack is cheated out of the presidency, I don't see how the people will take it calmly. He is the last hope we have at the moment and if you take away the hope from the people now they have nothing left to hold on to.

This is off subject, but there has been talk on here today about fearing for Barack's life because of the things that mccain and palin are doing in their stump speeches. I fear for him, but somehow I have a feeling that the person who might be in more danger is palin herself. Why would I say this? I am in no way threatening her, or wishing harm on her in this way. But it is because there are a lot of people who fear her, and when she begins inciting riots at these speeches, that fear is going to multiply and that is when it becomes dangerous. If I was her I would be worried because she is not everyone's darling, only those of the right wing that think she is their Messiah. And that radicalism worries a lot of people right there.

[and-justice-for-all]

13. We will be instead living in the Fascist States Of Amerika....

or Jesusland for short.

[PretzelWarrior]

14. I'm not worried about it. Obama outperformed polls in a number

of states. So don't sweat it. He will DOMINATE the swing states and rack up well over 300 electoral votes.

[Lil Missy]

16. Thanks. I think you have a valid point.

I DO think race is a factor for some, and particularly with the repuke base. Most of them would vote a straight repuke ticket anyway. There are probably also some repukes that don't care for McSame, but will refuse to vote for Obama because of racist views.

So what? It's the Independent voters, undecided voters to watch, and they are overwhelmingly for Obama. (Not to dismiss the Democratic response and major increase in new voter registrations for the Democratic party.)

I don't think this "bait and switch" effect that you refer to is a factor. Obama transcends race, and has proved himself as effective, deliberate, level-headed, and Presidential on many levels.

And, welcome to DU! ;-)

[barack the house]

17. I think the circumstances are just hurting too much for it to turn out that way.

[barack the house]

18. It's the Democratic party we can't celebrate till the last second that is the way it goes really.>

Things are no more less difficult than they were under Kerry or Gore really. We just keep going no point in dwelling on any race issues, it's just defeatist.

[Sodan]

19. If so - the people will get what they deserve.

[votetastic]

20. The Reverse Bradley Effect

is what McCain should be worried about. All the Republicans who wouldn't dare admitting they support Obama, but will vote for Obama privately in the voting booth for self-interest.

[parabolabear]

22. WOW - i had never thought of that n/t

[JohnMcCant2008]

21. For starters, I will move to Costa Rica - no way I'm hanging out for Bush III.......n/t

[seabeyond]

23. so you have done two threads with so little time here, both neg nancy about obama losing when

all evidence is he will win at this point and all the rest to talk about.

i dont come into these threads, and almost never read or post. i didnt read

but an absurd post

[Hellataz]

25. I have done several of positive threads and posts as well

I just am one who is willing to bring up an unpopular but valid scenario for discussion purposes so as to not get too cocky or be prepared for what might happen to this country if the GOP does try and steal this election. I'm all far Obama praise and have posted a lot in support of that, but it's a bit nuts that a topic like this can't be rationally discussed without people freaking out and thinking I'm trying to threaten their "Obama leads the polls" High.
Thanks to everyone else who thought about what i said and tried to add to the discussion instead of making snarky remarks.

[Medusa]

24. The Bradley effect is estimated to be about 5%

so deduct 5% from every poll you see to get the true number. The good news? In many states, Obama is polling well outside the "Bradley" effect.

[alcibiades_mystery]

27. The Bradley Effect is bullshit

And it is increasingly the bullshit used by troll idiots.

[Bucky]

26. My ass would hurt a lot. Those monkeys have rough scratchy wings.