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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-08 09:34 PM
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A Few Questions For Obama After The Debate - from a freeper
1. You were defending your idea to fine me if my daughter isn’t insured. What is the fee? And who told you that health insurance for a child is relatively inexpensive? My daughter’s insurance cost more than mine.

2. You asked why we invaded a country that had nothing to do with 9-11. Less than five minutes later, you said we had a moral obligation to stop genocide in other countries. If those countries had nothing to do with 9-11, how do we stop the genocide? And why was Saddam Hussien’s genocide not important?

3. Why is killing Bin Laden your only war on terror policy? Is he the only terrorist on the planet?

4. Didn’t North Korea cave?

http://thenewpundit.com/2008/10/07/a-few-questions-for-obama-after-the-debate/
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:17 AM
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:19 AM
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2. Bye freeper. Obama is able to answer any and all questions, and will take all comers.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:21 AM
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3. Why don't you have gramps say it to his FACE?
Because like you, he's a chicken.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:22 AM
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5. Asshole - there IS no fine. McCain made that up you stupid shit
:eyes:
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:34 AM
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9. Hey Freep--did you know that McCain associates with "terrorists" too?
http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/10/is_john_mccain_supported_by_te.html

Face it dude all your arguments agaisnt Obama are bogus
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:46 AM
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14. I'm more than happy to answer the questions, since they are not hard at all:
1. You were defending your idea to fine me if my daughter isn’t insured. What is the fee? And who told you that health insurance for a child is relatively inexpensive? My daughter’s insurance cost more than mine.

Unfortunately, John McCain made the "fee" bit up. You can read the details of Obama's health plan yourself. Since the notion that a family would be fined for being unable to afford health insurance for their child is completely false - as in, a lie - there's nothing to explain.

2. You asked why we invaded a country that had nothing to do with 9-11. Less than five minutes later, you said we had a moral obligation to stop genocide in other countries. If those countries had nothing to do with 9-11, how do we stop the genocide? And why was Saddam Hussien’s genocide not important?

That's not exactly what Obama asked. He asked why we invaded Iraq as part of the war on terror when it had nothing to do with going after the terrorists who attacked us. That's a pretty reasonable question. Stopping genocide wouldn't be a unilateral military invasion and occupation of a country. A moral obligation to stop genocide would include working multilaterally with the international community to jointly adopt peacekeeping actions, likely through the United Nations, working together to respond to refugee crisis, etc. There's nothing about a peacekeeping humanitarian mission that is about political occupation.

Saddam Hussien's genocide was not happening at present. He was a bad dictator, not unlike N. Korea's. But his gassing of the Kurds was decades old news - more importantly it was done with the approval and support of the United States. Saddam Hussien was "our guy" back during the height of his most vicious and horrific actions. Back then, I would have agreed with you - why didn't we do more to stop him when it was happening? You'd have to ask Reagan.


3. Why is killing Bin Laden your only war on terror policy? Is he the only terrorist on the planet?

The rest of your questions were at least somewhat sincere. Then there is this one. He isn't afraid to actually talk about the guy responsible for 9/11 and why we haven't done what we should have done to apprehend him. Unlike this current Administration and McCain who talked tough about Obama as political horse crap to cover their interests in invading Iraq and never did anything about it.

Obmam's plan for redeploying of troops into Afghanistan - where the fight always was - is a little more complicated than "killing Bin Laden" and it represents about ten times more of a terror policy than McCain's "Bomb bomb bomb Iran" senility.


4. Didn’t North Korea cave?

You don't keep up with current events much, do you?
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JohnMcCant2008 Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:21 AM
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4. I am SO happy I was able to turn one of your racist friends into the Secret Service this morning.
Have a nice day Freeper.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:25 AM
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:27 AM
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7. Your existence is an insult.
Get stuffed...
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:29 AM
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8. So answer me this - why does McCain consider Dave Ifshin, a man who went to North Vietnam to......
denounce the United States, a good friend of his?

http://www.nysun.com/editorials/mccain-and-ifshin/32880/
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:35 AM
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10. Here's an answer!
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:36 AM
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12. Freepers are too stupid to understand the answers anyway....
why waste the time on them.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:36 AM
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11. A few answers
Edited on Thu Oct-09-08 10:37 AM by nini
1. "And who told you that health insurance for a child is relatively inexpensive? My daughter’s insurance cost more than mine." -- that's the point numb nuts - that it's too HIGH and wont' be under a real plan.

2. This question doesn't even make sense.. You need to try and make genocide and 9-11 dependent on each other to make some kind of point? So, what is it? Did we go into Iraq because of 9-11 or are you now saying it was because of genocide? Please let us know when you guys decide what the real reason is we went there (OIL).

3. Obama never said killing bin Laden was the ONLY fight in the war on terror. If you had listened you would have heard that this is a worldwide problem with many issues involved. Going to the top is the first priority though.

4. North Korea backed down to a point AFTER WE TALKED TO THEM, yet are still a threat on many levels.

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:37 AM
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13. Saddam's genocide? HA! That's rich!!!
Two mass killing incidents both occurred during Republican administrations. The former occurred BEFORE Rumsfeld went to Baghdad and shook Saddam's hand and BEFORE the US supported Iraq in the Iran/Iraq War.

The second took place when the US encouraged the Shia to rise up and revolt against Saddam after the 1991 Gulf War and then stepped back and did not offer any support and they were slaughtered by the Republican Guard.


So, asshat Freeper, answer us why your beloved Reagan and Poppy Bush allowed those to happen!!

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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 11:17 AM
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15. The questions are bogus, but what the heck
(1) When more people are in an insurance pool, the risk is spread and the prices come down. The fine will be modest and ONLY for covering children who are cheaper than adults to cover.

(2)See photo of Bush's friend Donald Rumsfeld shaking Sadaam's hand. Talk to your older friends who may remember, as I do, when Sadaam was the US' friend, keeping Iran in check. We knew Iraq was their mortal enemy, so we supported Iraq, even when we knew Sadaam was a despot. Democrats were complaining about the USA supporting Sadaam the ruthless dictator, but were told by Bush Senior, Cheney and Rumsfeld that we needed to support him because he helped control Iran.

When Sadaam stepped out of line and entered Kuwait, W's dad attacked him to push him back inside his own borders. But W's dad didn't go on to depose Sadaam. He wanted Iraq to stand tough and keep Iran in check. Even when the Kurds were expecting Bush Senior to help them and Sadaam was attacking them, Bush Senior pulled away and let that massacre happen.

We were chasing Bin Laden along the Afghan border when the troops were called off from that effort to go invade Iraq, even though there was no Iraq connection with 9/11. Even though our intelligence agencies told us Bin Laden hated Sadaam because he was an infidel. Sadaam let women drive and not wear scarves and work outside the home, so fundamentalist Muslims hated him. But W. wanted a war for oil and decided to take out Sadaam, even though for 20 years we'd been using Sadaam to keep Iran in check.

The Democratic war on terror would have stayed on the mission to eliminate Bin Laden and those who helped him attack NYC. We would have worked with our allies to eliminate Al Qaeda wherever they appeared. But a lot of the work would have been stealthier-- quiet but swift. We would have worked more closely with moderate Muslims to combat the extremist fundamentalists.

Conducting a more stealthy, precise and modern war on terror would free up our troops to respond to genocide when we and our allies decided help was required. Continuing the occupation of Iraq, long after they wanted us to leave, has drained our military resources to a dangerous level. So low that we have to hire mercenaries to perform difficult jobs better done in-house and accountable to Congress.

BUT ALAS, Bush eliminated Iran's biggest enemy by smashing Iraq, so now we need to worry more about the threat from Iran than we did before.

And even if the attack on Iraq was made on false pretenses (Yes we have clips of Bush and his team admitting there were no WMD), if Bush and Rummy had followed the advice of their generals on the ground long ago and used many more troops at first and left sooner, Iraq would be much stronger by now to return to its role of balancing Iran and being a less fundamentalist state in the region. But we stayed too long and crossed the line with Abu Ghraib and created lots more enemies there. Utter failure.

(3) I'd turn that question around. Why was it just fine with you that Bush didn't bother catching Bin Laden? You know Democrats don't think Bin Laden's the only terrorist. They've said so. But many Democrats believe the Bush administration's assertion that he was in charge of bombing the World Trade Center in 2001 and should be killed. Are you fine with Bush NOT catching him?

(4) Sorry, no on North Korea too. Bush error. Complete dud. When Clinton was talking with the North Koreans, they allowed us to film their nuclear facilities and suspended their weapons work. There were quiet talks going on on different levels. North Korea and South Korea were doing some family reunions which opened up North Korea a bit more too. I was watching those moves on international news. Things were proceeding quietly but positively toward opening up the rigid North. But then Bush boldly declared them members of the Axis of Evil, so North Korea clammed up again, they shut us out and returned to building weapons. Another huge failure.

(5) Iran. As stated above, Bush eliminated their biggest enemy in the region, so Bush helped the fundamentalist government in power. Some diplomats recommended quiet work on encouraging democratic elements in the country with a longer term quieter strategy. That has a better chance of success. Better to seduce countries with the pleasures of capitalism rather than try to bomb them into freedom.

But Bush's bombastic ways have set back our efforts by many years. They've reinforced the fundamentalists message about the USA being an evil enemy of all Muslims. Instead of making friends with the more democratic elements and quietly building up the more moderate elements.

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