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LiberadorHugo Donating Member (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:53 PM
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How is Keating 5 good?
4 Dems were destroyed; McDouche was exonerated.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:54 PM
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1. You know what? You're right. I don't think we can tie McCain to Keating.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:59 PM
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14. Of course you can, and take down a famous astronaut at the same time
The liberals will love it, but moderate Dems, not so much. Glenn being a national hero and all.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:00 PM
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16. Read the article.....
I should have used this. :sarcasm:
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:02 PM
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20. read it, lived through it, lost money and survivied it
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:16 PM
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28. When did you become pro "don't say anything about McCain"
Edited on Sun Oct-05-08 10:16 PM by FrenchieCat
Thus far you have reasoned that we can't go after Palin's anti American ties to the Alaskan Independence Party because Todd is an Inuit somewhere in his bloodline? Looks like a White Boy to me.

Now, we can't go after McCain's relationship to Charles Keating, because of Others involved who happened to have been Democrats?

What's next?

Can go after his mafia ties because that would make Italians mad?

Get the fuckatofhere.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:35 PM
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32. He was pretty anti-Obama throughout the primaries. I would just ignore him.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 08:22 AM
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59. I don't know who you all are talking to, because they are already on my ignore list, LOL...
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:01 PM
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17. I'm pretty sure the focus will be on McCain, not John Glenn. He won't even be mentioned.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:02 PM
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19. Sure he will. Not by Obama, of course, but he will be mentioned
and that can't be a good thing
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:12 PM
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24. So, you;re saying democrats shouldn't bring up the keating 5? Dems shouldn't fight back?
That's ridiculous. And it's also ridiculous to suggest that independents won't vote for Obama because John Glenn was involved in the Keating 5. Since when do people not vote for a candidate because he brings up something that involved an astronaut? No offense, but that's the stupidest thing i've ever heard.

I suppose people won't vote for McCain either because Oprah went to Trinity and McCain is bashing the church. So I guess it's a wash...
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:14 PM
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27. Not only that, but Obama IS a new kind of politician as well...
Hence the CHANGE theme. People get that.
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Cosmic Charlie Donating Member (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:35 AM
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40. I agree, we should forget winning this election. We must protect John Glenn!!!!
:puke:
:sarcasm:
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:56 AM
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43. SAVE JOHN GLENN !
Fucking Hilarious ....

Is HE running this year ????

:evilgrin:

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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:35 PM
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31. I think the idea is to make McSame retort with "John Glenn did it too"
So it will be him who is trashing a famous astronaut, not Obama.
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DeltaLitProf Donating Member (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 11:45 PM
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35. Yep, McCain would be impugning the reputation of . . .
. . . perhaps the most popular politician in the recent history of Ohio, John Glenn. He really might be stupid enough to do that.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 03:58 AM
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56. Yeah, but McLame TOOK MORE MONEY than any of the other Keating Krooks.
Also, it was McCain's wife Cindy who acted as "bookkeeper" for the entire operation and possibly faced slammer time herself, which is why, in the end, McCain ratted out the others and escaped punishment - he made a deal to keep her from being prosecuted.

McCain's wife was a biz partner w/Keating (just ask McCain himself - he looovvvvveessss that question!), as was her rich daddy. McCain ratted on the others to keep the family $$$$ from being confiscated by the feds. He barely saved their bacon, by agreeing to sing like a canary - AGAIN.

Cindy McCain has talked in interviews about how the stress of being investigated herself in Keating 5 is what drove her to stealing drugs and spiraling into serious drug addiction. She managed to break several federal felony drug laws in the process, which her politician hubby and rich, connected daddy ALSO managed to get swept under the rug.

The whole family carries a strong stench of corruption that goes waaaaayyyy back.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:09 PM
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22. Thanks for that one! Is this pork?
Edited on Sun Oct-05-08 10:11 PM by zidzi
<snips>

"Keep telling them that it wasn't that you were bought off but that Charlie Keating got special help only because he was one of the biggest employers in the state.

Just keep sitting there and staring into the camera and denying that Keating bought you for money and jet plane trips and vacations.

So what if he gave you $112,000? Just keep smiling at the cameras and saying you did nothing wrong.

Maybe the voters will understand you took those tiring trips to Charlie's place in the Bahamas in their behalf. Certainly, they can understand you wanted to take your family along. A senator deserves to travel on private jets, removed from the awful crush of public transportation.

You sought out a master criminal like Keating and became his friend. Now you've discarded him. It shouldn't be surprising that you are now in the process of selling out your senatorial accomplices."

Interesting!!

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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:11 PM
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23. It's worse than pork - it's bribes.
McCain used Keating to further his floundering political career. I absolutely love that article.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:12 PM
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25. Yes, So full of healthy
sarcasm:)
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:13 PM
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26. WOW... Pretty damning for McSame!
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 01:03 AM
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46. Alan Greenspan??!!?!?!??`
Oy vey.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 04:17 AM
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57. WOW!!
That's one hell of an article!! :wow:
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:55 PM
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2. Those 4 Dems aren't running for President.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:08 AM
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63. Bingo. (nt)
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:55 PM
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3. Where's that Damned popcorn smiley?
Ahhh.... Here it is...

:popcorn:


Oh! And in before the tombstone!
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:55 PM
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4. Guilt by association but dang it, Senator Mccain was sitting in that courtroom just like the rest of
them.

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TTUBatfan2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:55 PM
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5. He was exonerated in the same way OJ was exonerated...
if you know what I mean and I think you do. Most people realize he was up to his eyeballs in corruption during that scandal. There is no doubt about it. The fact that it was a scandal that led to economic hardship in America makes it even more harmful to him as a Presidential candidate during a time of economic hardship that has partially been caused by the Keating scandal itself.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:55 PM
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6. Yeah, so what. It's not going to hurt Obama.
I totally don't see it as a bad thing. If Obama did, he wouldn't do it either. They know what they are doing.
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:55 PM
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7. McCain wasn't exonerated. He simply escaped punishment.
It's not the same thing.
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nyhuskyfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:55 PM
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8. Obama was also exonerated
He was found not guilty of any of the Weathermen's activities.
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:32 AM
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39. Jury was swayed by that picture of him on a tricycle
at the time of Ayres' alleged malfeasance.

Looks pretty dangerous, doesn't he? Gawd he was a cute kid, and I don't like kids.


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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 03:31 AM
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55. Who is that?
I have to ask, because I'm confused.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:56 PM
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9. Just getting the word out that Mccain was part of a $500b savings and loan scandal is a big deal.
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:36 PM
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33. Exactly. I'm amazed there isn't more being said about this. Neil Bush was a
big part of that S&L scandal as well.(Silverado) it's the same old story with the republicans and it seems no one can remember a thing.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:51 PM
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34. An added piece of fun is that Cindy "lost" all the bookkeeping she kept for her husband. ..n/t
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 08:20 AM
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58. how convenient!
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:56 PM
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10. The idea is to let him talk about how he was exonerated, and try to get a debate question
Edited on Sun Oct-05-08 09:56 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:56 PM
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11. IBTL n/t
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:24 AM
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38. I don't see why it should be locked.
Edited on Mon Oct-06-08 12:24 AM by FlyingSquirrel
Opposing viewpoint, not necessarily a disruptive post.

It's true, McCain got let off extremely easy compared to the 3 (not 4) Democratic senators. John Glenn didn't really do anything particularly bad IMO and he also escaped serious repercussions.

However, just because McCain somehow weaseled out of serious trouble doesn't mean people can't smell something fishy and relate it to the current financial crisis.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:57 PM
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12. 3
John Glenn was reelected in 1992.

McCain may have committed no crime (just as Obama committed no crime by being on a civic board with Bill Ayers), but since he wants to make this all about associations and who "pals around" with who...

Keating and McCain were clearly once close.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:58 PM
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13. No, he wasn't exonerated. He was reprimanded and forced to admit guilt.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:59 PM
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15. sorry, being rebuked by the Senate Ethics Committee does not go by without a mention.
Plus, as Jonathan Alter said, the Keating 5 scandal would not be relevant if McCain had actually, you know,LEARNED from his mistakes. But, it just fits into the pattern of the type of people who he continues to surround himself with in his campaign and political career.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:01 PM
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18. they didn't investigate Keating enough
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:03 PM
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21. Well, they were fantistically musically gifted
I will admit that it's hard to listen to Michael these days, considering what's happened to him. But they really revolutionized R&B.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:20 PM
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29. He was censured. He was not exonnerated.
Edited on Sun Oct-05-08 10:22 PM by msallied
He accepted tens of thousands of dollars from Charles Keating, went into real estate deals with him, vacationed on his yacht and his place down in the Bahamas. They were VERY tight, those two. Thick as thieves, in fact. The fact that John McCain participated in deregulation meetings that ended up being directly linked to this scandal has significant historical relevance. It shows that John McCain has personally profited from deregulation of the banking industry, and that he clearly has not changed in that time. How can we not use that? Give me a break!
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Top Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:32 PM
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30. I hope this rips the bastards into
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 11:56 PM
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36. Wrong. Plus it is so timely..
it looks like it could have been written today, no?

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1989-11-29/news/mccain-the-most-reprehensible-of-the-keating-five/1

McCain: The Most Reprehensible of the Keating Five
The story of "the Keating Five" has become a scandal rivaling Teapot Dome and Watergate
By Tom Fitzpatrick
Published on November 29, 1989
You're John McCain, a fallen hero who wanted to become president so desperately that you sold yourself to Charlie Keating, the wealthy con man who bears such an incredible resemblance to The Joker.


Obviously, Keating thought you could make it to the White House, too.
He poured $112,000 into your political campaigns. He became your friend. He threw fund raisers in your honor. He even made a sweet shopping-center investment deal for your wife, Cindy. Your father-in-law, Jim Hensley, was cut in on the deal, too.

Nothing was too good for you. Why not? Keating saw you as a prime investment that would pay off in the future.

..although I have to admit a couple of billion is chump change compared to today's fraud standards..
More than 21,000 mostly elderly investors lost their life savings. This total came to about $285 million. The federal government was liable for $2 billion to cover Lincoln's losses when it seized the institution.

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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:16 AM
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37. McCain: the role he played in keating 5 is what matters, if he got away with it, it would
have been a totally didn't outcome. if you don't get caught? it's cool, - if you do get caught? it's, my God, what have I done? which is why Obama never took Keating off the table.
The American people are entitled to know everything about the Keating 5 before they cast their vote.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:38 AM
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41. McCain is running for president, and he was DIRTY in the Keating Five.
Are you sure you're on our side?
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:52 AM
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42. It's an act of genius.
Since we know the media's already getting bored with last week's events, bringing up Keating 5 aggressively simultaneously attacks McCain as a crook, and paints a picture of what's happening with the economy right now by comparing it with the savings-and-loan shitstorm that was quite similar, and that McCain was directly involved in.

McCain's gonna have to scramble to keep his campaign from losing another ten points in the polls...
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Ramius Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:59 AM
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44. It's true legitimate and RELEVANT history of a candidate. Nothing More
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 01:02 AM
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45. this is why Keating matters:

(some of this from others' posts)

"In 1989, the Senate Ethics Committee found that McCain exercised poor judgment when he interfered with the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB) in their investigation of failed Lincoln Savings and Loan Association and its chairman, Charles Keating.

In 1987, McCain and four other Senators pressured the federal regulators to ease up on the bank. In 1989, the FHLBB seized control of Lincoln and more than 21,000 investors, mostly elderly, lost their life savings. When it seized Lincoln, the federal government also had to assume $2 billion in debt. It is not clear how much, if any, of these losses could have been avoided if the Senators had not pressured regulators.

Not only did McCain get over $100,000 in campaign contributions from Keating, but his wife and father-in-law invested in a Keating business, and McCain and his family took nine trips at Keating’s expense, including vacations to Keating’s Bahamas retreat. Unlike McCain and a fellow tarnished hero, former astronaut John Glenn (D-OH), the other members of the Keating Five had the decency not to run again.

Charles Keating helped McCain’s father-in-law buy McCain his seat in congress in 1982. Keating and Cindy McCain were partners in a shopping mall venture which McCain only cashed out (at a million dollar profit) when Keating was jailed in the late 1990s. (3) Keating was obsessed with obliterating pornography while he was using his corporation’s money for wild drunken parties, at least one of which McCain attended.

McCain hid from Congress that he had taken 9 trips on Keating’s jet. These included three vacations at Keating’s mansion on Cat Cay in the Bahamas that McCain and his wife shared with Charlie Keating and his family. McCain got more money than any of the other four politicians at the heart of the Keating scandal. When asked if he was buying or influencing McCain with his gifts and money, Keating replied, “I want to say in the most forceful way I can, I certainly hope so!”

Charlie Keating was running a series of shell corporations to hide cash he moved illegally from Lincoln Savings and Loan. Lincoln became the largest S & L to collapse and cost US taxpayers thousands of millions of dollars for a bail out. When Federal bank regulators, led by Ed Gray, tried to limit Keating’s worst excesses, Keating sent a letter to McCain describing the bank board (FHLBB) as a police state under a mad dog’s leadership.

And then McCain had one of his melt downs.

This was the key moment in McCain’s Keating Five scandal and it occurred at March 19 1987.

Keating asked McCain to pressure bank auditors not to enforce the law against Lincoln S&L. McCain told Keating he was uncomfortable strong arming the nation’s financial regulators. Keating taunted him, “McCain’s a wimp.” At 1:30, in his senate office, McCain exploded into fury, “One thing I’m not is a coward.” McCain screamed at Keating that he hadn’t lived in a box for five years to have his courage questioned. McCain’s aides were very surprised by McCain’s tantrum and even Keating begged him to calm down.

McCain didn’t back off. He shouted that he knew it was not appropriate for him to negotiate on Keating’s behalf with regulators who were looking into the illegal activities at Lincoln Savings and Loan. Keating told McCain that he should not bother going to the meeting. McCain was still mad and replied, “No, I’m going to that meeting.”

Later that day, Keating boasted that he “knew how to get McCain’s attention.”

McCain met Ed Gray on April 2, 1987. Against all protocol, McCain didn’t allow Gray to bring any staff or attorneys to the meeting and also excluded his own aides. He later said this was because he wanted to be able to deny everything. McCain tried to force Gray to ignore a banking regulation that affected Keating’s Lincoln S&L. McCain kept referring to Keating as, “my friend.”

Seven days later, bank regulators were summoned to the Senate for an unusual late night meeting. McCain wanted the auditors to let Lincoln continue making real estate loans without carrying out credit checks, a clear violation of the law. This is also the practice that has led to the current US economic crisis. When asked by his aides about the meeting, McCain whistled through his teeth rather than answer their questions.

Here it is in a nut shell:
In 1987, McCain tried to force bank regulators to ignore the law for his friend and benefactor, Charlie Keating. McCain knew this was improper but plunged recklessly into the meetings after Keating taunted him for being a coward.

McCain almost destroyed his career by accepting bribes and letting mere words goad him into knowingly breaking the law.

If he was President, what else might McCain’s temper destroy?


(1) http://www.slate.com/id/1004633 /
(2) Extracted from Trust Me: Charles Keating and the Missing Billions by Michael Binstein and Charles Bowden, Random House 1993 http://tinyurl.com/3r25xs
(3) http://tinyurl.com/42vpx3

"In case anyone wants to cross check my report with the Trust Me book, here are my rough notes with page references. There is no index in the edition I own and these notes were gathered over a period of some weeks of reading:

226-227 Keating first met McCain at a navy league dinner in 1981. McCain made his first run for the house in 1982 and McCain called Keating to ask for money for his campaign. Note McCain called Keating and NOT vice versa. Keating sent substantial (for the time period) money in McCain's direction and arranged fund raisers for McCain in 1984, 85 and 86. McCain and Keating took vacations together with their families at Cat Cay in the Bahamas, Keating's mansion house retreat on the islands. During this period, McCain and Keating meet up every few months.

Keating's parties, obsession with porn and weird religious beliefs are referenced throughout the book. The party which McCain attended is described early on in the book but I don't have the exact page on my notes. I can find it if anyone really needs it. There is presented some evidence linking Keating to the assassination attempt on Larry Flynt which left him without the use of his legs, This might explain Flynt's visceral dislike for McCain.

227 - McCain got $110,000 from Keating. *Other reports put this at slightly more and so this may be a rounded figure.

252 - July 31 1986 Keating sends a letter to McCain that the FHLBB were turned loose in a police state under Ed Gray, a mad dog.

276 - February 18 1987 Keating met McCain in DC

281 - Thursday March 19 1987 Keating goes to McCain's office to discuss Ed Gray and asks McCain to fly to San Fransisco to confront Lincoln's auditors. McCain was uncomfortable about meeting the auditors. McCain asked a Keating aide, "is this for Charlie? Is he going bankrupt?" The aide said yes. Keating said to Senator DeConcini that McCain was a wimp because he sensed McCain was hesitant on meeting the bank board officials. Aides repeated the "wimp" comment to McCain.

282 - At 1.30 on Thursday March 19 1987, Keating was confronted by McCain at McCain's senate office. McCain was furious, "One thing I am not is a coward." McCain also said he didn't live in a box for five years to have Keating question his courage. McCain's aides were very surprised by his outburst. Keating begged McCain to calm down. McCain said he knew it was not appropriate for him to negotiate on Keating's behalf with regulators who were looking into illegal activities at Lincoln Savings and Loan. Keating said, "Hey John. I don't want you to go to the meeting. I'm sorry we even brought it up." Keating then prepared to leave. McCain replied, "No, I'm going to that meeting." Later that day, Keating boasts that he knew how to get McCain's attention.

284 - Evening of April 2 1987 - Ed Gray of the FHLBB meets with McCain and three other members of the Keating 5. Against protocol, Gray is not allowed to bring staff or staff attorneys. McCain barred his senate aides from the meeting. McCain wanted to be able to deny what happened at the meeting. McCain and the others refer to Keating as our friend. McCain et al. then demanded that Gray withdraw a bank regulation that was limiting Lincoln's investments.

288 - 289 April 9 1987 6pm, Bank regulators are called to a meeting with McCain and the four other Senators at their Senate offices. Bank official Bill Black took copious and exact notes. McCain said he was attending to help his constituents although he was an Arizona Senator and Lincoln S&L was a California company. Lincoln were making loans without checking any credit reports first.

290 - Michael Patriacha, head of the SF regional bank regulators told McCain and the others that Lincoln were violating the law and regulations. Later, McCain whistled through his teeth rather than telling his staff any details about the meeting.

362 - April 1989. Keating at a press conference answered the question of whether he was trying to influence or buy McCain's support with gifts and money states: "I want to say in the most forceful way I can, I certainly hope so."

An interesting aside from page 393. Carl Linder (another multi-billionaire) founded AFC with Keating. Linder is a major major donor to McCain today. Linder's son Keith runs Chiquita brands which admits giving 1.7 million dollars to AUC, a paramilitary group in Colombia that are listed as terrorists by the Bush regime.

Details:
http://www.mediabistro.com/bbs/cache/t39875_1.asp

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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 01:09 AM
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47. Hmm....4 dems and 1 lone republican? All named Keating?


...whoops they're the Keatons. Never mind.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 01:12 AM
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48. Guilt-by-association is the name of the game.
McCane-Failin' bought Milton-Bradley on this.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 02:06 AM
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49. I think he's guilty, and not just by association.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 02:10 AM
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50. The De-regulatin' Mavrck is certainly guilty of his past crimes
Does he have anything to do with today's troubles?

Is he even awake enough hours of the day? Probably not.
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 02:12 AM
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51. He was acquitted, but he was charged with impaired judgment
Bad judgment on banking failures = failure President

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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 08:59 AM
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62. Legally, yes he was acquitted. However, in the court of public opinion...
Hopefully, in November, he will have the book thrown at him.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 02:15 AM
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52. Some puking going on today...
:puke:
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 02:20 AM
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54. Some people are ignorant of history, that's all.
Edited on Mon Oct-06-08 02:21 AM by quantessd
Maybe a little :puke: here and there, but for the most part, the young ones don't know it's important because the MSM doesn't talk about it. They don't understand that history from 20 years ago is already being scrubbed.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 02:16 AM
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53. You're right.
Best not to play that card. EVER!!!11111

:rofl:

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 08:24 AM
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60. he wasn't exonerated, don't try rewriting history
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 08:25 AM
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61. Your right...its mean politics
and it will make Republicans cry....we don't wanna be too mean to them. Let them keep raping the US constitution, the middle class, the military, The US reputation and the future of our young ones because we dont wanna be mean.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:08 AM
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64. How are you not frozen pizza yet?
Got incriminating photos of Skinner?
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:10 AM
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65. He was not "exonerated"
In fact, he was censured by the Senate
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