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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:35 PM
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Whoa! Check out the LAT! Mishaps mark John McCain's record as naval aviator.
Mishaps mark John McCain's record as naval aviator
Three crashes early in his career led Navy officials to question or fault his judgment. A Times review of his record suggests he was cocky, occasionally cavalier and prone to testing limits.

By Ralph Vartabedian and Richard A. Serrano
Los Angeles Times Staff Writers

6:49 PM PDT, October 5, 2008

John McCain was training in his AD-6 Skyraider on an overcast Texas morning in 1960 when he slammed into Corpus Christi Bay and sheared the skin off his plane's wings.

McCain recounted the accident decades later in his autobiography. "The engine quit while I was practicing landings," he wrote. But an investigation board at the Naval Aviation Safety Center found no evidence of engine failure.

The 23-year-old junior lieutenant wasn't paying attention and erred in using "a power setting too low to maintain level flight in a turn," investigators concluded.

The crash was one of three early in McCain's aviation career in which his flying skills and judgment were faulted or questioned by Navy officials.

In his most serious lapse, McCain was "clowning" around in a Skyraider over southern Spain about December 1961 and flew into electrical wires, causing a blackout, according to McCain's own account as well as those of naval officers and enlistees aboard the carrier Intrepid. In another incident, in 1965, McCain crashed a T-2 trainer jet in Virginia.

After McCain was sent to Vietnam, his plane was destroyed in an explosion on the deck of an aircraft carrier in 1967. Three months later, he was shot down during a bombing mission over Hanoi and taken prisoner. He was not faulted in either of those cases and was later lauded for his heroism as a prisoner of war.

As a presidential candidate, McCain has cited his military service -- particularly his 5 1/2 years as a POW. But he has been less forthcoming about his mistakes in the cockpit.

The Times interviewed men who served with McCain and located once-confidential 1960s-era accident reports and formerly classified evaluations of his squadrons during the Vietnam War. This examination of his record revealed a pilot who early in his career was cocky, occasionally cavalier and prone to testing limits.

In today's military, a lapse in judgment that causes a crash can end a pilot's career. Though standards were looser and crashes more frequent in the 1960s, McCain's record stands out.

"Three mishaps are unusual," said Michael L. Barr, a former Air Force pilot with 137 combat missions in Vietnam and an internationally known aviation safety expert who teaches in USC's Aviation Safety and Security Program. "After the third accident, you would say: Is there a trend here in terms of his flying skills and his judgment?"

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http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-aviator6-2008oct06,0,5446252.story?track=rss
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:38 PM
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1. McNutbag sounds like a real assclown.....pathetic record.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:42 PM
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2. John McCain couldn't even fly an airplane, much less win a war.
He's been a disaster his whole life.
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:43 PM
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3. Looks like McCain's camp just opened up a can of worms.
Fling mud around, expect to get covered in it yourself...
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:45 PM
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4. Curious what people think of the LA Times. I used to read NY Times more often
but have been appalled at how often they're wrong or biased. Seems like LA Times has done some good investigative reporting lately, e.g., the anthrax story.

What do DUers think of LAT?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:49 PM
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7. I haven't found my town paper to do much in the way of serious
national-level investigative journalism in recent years. They will do local investigative stuff, or nonpolitical stuff, but I swear they lean Republican more and more.

Then they come out with stuff like this and I just shake my head in amazement.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:07 PM
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8. Thanks for that. I bet newspaper journalism will be quite different in a short time...nt
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:31 PM
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14. Same new owner Zell, and trend as Chicago Tribune (already conservative tilt)
Lost good editorial staff at Tribune.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:48 PM
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5. K& (5th) R!
I hope this gets some coverage. :hi:
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:48 PM
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6. I heard someone quip "The Iraqi Air Force doesn't crash as often as John McCain"
snark.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:08 PM
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9. SAVED by his 4 star admiral grandpa and father - he is still trying to please them at 72 yrs old nt
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VADem11 Donating Member (783 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:11 PM
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10. This confirms what I think of McCain
He's an arrogant and reckless fool who would ruin this country.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:15 PM
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11. Sure, conventional wisdom says "you land on the aircraft carrier"
but you can't put rules on a Maverick!
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midnight armadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:21 PM
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12. who's a maverick?
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:27 PM
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13. There's that word again
...judgment....
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:43 PM
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15. To be fair...
he's never been an astronaut.



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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:57 PM
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16. McCain had a lousy record before he ever even flew -
he nearly got himself thrown out of the Naval Academy for being a jerk, but the Comandant of Anapolis reduced McCain's demerit list and enabled him to graduate, all because of his father and grandfather's positions in the Navy.
McCain would have lost his flying status or even been discharged from the Navy if not for his high connections.

His entire life has been one long episode of bad judgement, and he has not learned anything from it.

mark
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 11:02 PM
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17. Looks Like The LA Times Reporters Got Their Copy Of 'Rolling Stone'


:rofl:


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Born_A_Truman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 11:22 PM
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18. How scary is it that even GWB was a better pilot?
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