MSM notices: Independents turned off by folksy Palin

[Greyskye]

Watching a really good Bill Moyers Journal on PBS right now. One of the guests (non-partisan academic type) noticed the same thing that a number of us saw during the VP debate. Watching the CNN Undecided voter reaction meter, both men and women had negative reactions to Palin getting folksy.

You betcha.

[MrModerate]

1. And they *really* hated the term "maverick" . . .

There was a strong downturn everytime she uttered the word.

[Cali_Democrat]

6. They also ABSOLUTELY HATED the "white flag" comment

I think Palin got the biggest downturn of the night with that remark. The rethugs are so stupid. The don't realize that the country doesn't give a shit about the surge. Americans want out of Iraq.

[krkaufman]

10. But what's especially foolish of the McCain campaign ...

... is that, in an election where their opponent is trying to frame them as an extension of Bush/Cheney, they're choosing to recycle all the same, old tired and worn-out slogans of the past 7 years. They're literally demonstrating to the voters that they're more of the same.

Thus the especially negative number when they drag out the Bush lexicon.

[vaberella]

13. Those are independents? I felt the real issue was the "joke" she made of the debate.

I think every Independent sat up and took notice to see what she was doing.

1. The winking.

2. The shout-out.

3. Folksy-ness is one.

4. When she said, "She would NOT answer the questions."

Also they might---because I did take note of her rather disrespect for Sen. Biden.

1. The comment of implying that as man and Senator he wouldn't understand difficulties the families in America face.

2. The statement about his teacher wife, "her reward is in heaven." <---Independents will take offense to such things---even as a religious term it's uncalled for in a debate.

It's the fact she turned the debate into a circus show.

[Strelnikov_]

15. 'Maverick' or 'Mavrik', at least he's not a 'Socialest'

[Frumious B]

18. I wish "maverick" could be formally stricken from the English language at this point.

I have a serious case of maverick fatigue.

[opihimoimoi]

2. We tried Folksy already twice and it fuckin SUCKED...BUSH Proved Folksy don work in Govt

[anigbrowl]

3. Yup. Yup. It really dived when she said 'hockey mom' the first time.

The 'white flag of surrender' didn't go down too well either.

[smoochpooch]

4. And that's why they now have no choice but to smear, smear, smear.

and lie, lie, lie. and frighten, frighten, frighten.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

16. No one wants to be considered a cliche. Hockey, soccer moms and "joe six-packs".

It's downright insulting.

[Shine]

5. Doggonit !

:eyes:

Independents are smart. You might even say they're MAVERICKS.

[Median Democrat]

7. Palin Is Her Own Caricature - A Walking Hyperbole - Listen To The Tape Of Her Sportscast

How did Sarah Palin become more folks and down to earth since her days as a sportscaster? Normally, people become a little more polished. Palin become less polished, which suggests that she is now inauthentic. If Palin was not that folksy during her days as a sportscaster on Alaskan news, or during the Alaskan debates for that matter, then the folksiness itself is contrived. When they say, let Sarah be Sarah, does she even know who that is?

[krkaufman]

11. I'd thought about the same thing, having watched the debates and ...

... the Charlie Rose interview, a few weeks back. And Andrew Sullivan appears to think the same.

The accent has been ramped-up, heavily, and all the extra-ridiculous folksy terms have been added.

[frylock]

8. if by turned off they mean kicking-in-the-tv pissed..

then yeah, that's how this indy feels.

[Mariana]

9. Who wants to vote for someone who talks like Gomer Pyle?

[vaberella]

12. Independent here...I'll give a bit of insight: Deliverance, the film says it all.

We base a lot of our thinking on rationality. Actually we would probably consider ourselves rational animals.

We understand the bipartisan nature of the United States and even though we may empathise with the Green Party or the Libertarians (some of us do, don't ask) and several others we will not waste our vote. We just will not, because we want our vote to count.

Secondly because of this sense of rationality we don't succomb to the rhetoric of either side but focus on the substance. Last night, I was appalled by ANY one who said Sarah Palin did well. She did not. She did not stand well in the debate and she did not answer a SINGLE question, plus her energy plan---if she had one was shit, because in essence she didn't have one. No Independent will see that "interview" and they were leaning McCain would vote for McCain. Our whole stance is looking at things rationally and ONLY Biden seemingly answered the questions fairly. He added some sparkle here and there but in essence kept on topic of his criticisms.

We are very arrogant and condescending people. I have been known to be...Bill Maher made his career on being that way. Even Amy Holmes, the twit, sustains that sense of "we don't fall for blather and flare". Hence the reason on her position of McCain winning the last debate, I semi agreed with her however I felt Obama was extremely knowledgeable and my only critique didn't criticize McCain when he could (I do understand why).

In any event, Sarah Palin came off like a character from Deliverance. Uh...no Indpendent conservative or liberal will tolerate that. We would NEVER accept someone like that going up there.

I understand and know many Independents were teetering on whom to chose before the Veep choice. The Veep choice had a lot more leaning towards Obama, but when McCain came out with his, they all moved to Obama. Those poll numbers post the RNC I always thought were skewed because "true" Independents would NEVER see her as a viable candidate. And if any INdependents are still unsure or are leaning McCain----they are NOT Independents.

[No Elephants]

14. No one is totally non-partisan, though not all have party allegiances. Some can bring themselves to

speak somewhat objectively though--or at least sound as though they are speaking objectively.

Sorry to be so cynical, but that's what I believe these days.

[Kahuna]

17. They also hated it when she dissed Obama. Whenever she mentioned

his name and made negative comments the meter went into negative territory. :applause:

[Pharlo]

19. Folksy worked for George Bush because of

Bill Clinton's legacy - a strong US peace based economy coupled with a stong standing in the global community.

Folksy is NOT working for Palin because of the Bush legacy - US in a war we never should have been in, economy failing further every day, and the US is a mere shadow of itself eight years ago in its global standing.

People don't want 'folksy'. They want someone who is visibly intelligent. Someone who can intellectually address the difficult issues that are facing us now and in the immediate future. Republican campaign strategists are missing the target big time on this one.

People are scared. They don't really understand what is happening with the economy. They want someone in a leadership position who has shown an intellectual capacity to deal with the situation. The war, health care, the economy, job loss, energy crisis...

Good natured folksiness is NOT going to turn the heads of the independent voters this time like it has in the past.