Prez Obama vs Gov Palin in 2012?

[kennetha]

Watching last night's debate, it struck me that Sarah Palin is really lovin' (to talk like her) her time in the national spotlight. And I suspect that when McCain loses -- which he almost certainly will -- she's plotting to position herself to be the presumptive nominee of the Repugnants for 2012 -- that's part of the reason she doesn't want to give up on Michigan. She wants to plant her own personal flag there.

Indeed, I think the only thing she really accomplished last night was to rehabilitate herself with the Repugnant base. That means that when McCain loses, at least the base won't hold her personally responsible for causing McCain's defeat. When he loses, she doesn't just slink offstage. She goes back to Alaska, gets her pipeline actually started, bones up on all the issues she knows nothing about, campaigns for repugnants around the country. and emerges as the favorite for the repugnant nomination.

I don't want to get ahead of the game, but I'm now utterly confident that we're going to win this one. I used not to be. But between the the threat of economic collapse, the utter and complete discrediting of all things Bush, McCain's own erratic and impulse driven behavior on many fronts, and the bizarre choice of Palin, I think we've got this one pretty much in the bag. (And to think that I used to believe that Obama was the only dem that even had a ghost of a chance of losing to a the Republicans and McCain was the only Republican that had even a ghost of a chance of beating the Democrats.) We can't lose unless we just totally drop the ball again and again.

[Seen the light]

1. She'll have the nomination if she wants it. Other contenders will include Mittens and Jindal

If Palin runs, she wins the nomination. If Jindal runs and Palin doesn't, he'll win. The only chance that Mittens will have is if neither one of them run.

By the way, I think your Michigan assessment is dead-on.

[mother earth]

2. She may run in 2012, but why would anyone want her after the

joke she's become? I think her governor-ship may be in trouble after the spotlight goes out. Troopergate may be more than she can smile & wink her way out of, doggone it.

[TheWraith]

3. He'd vaporize her and carry around her glasses as a trophy.

Even if she got the nomination--mind you, the public isn't sympathetic to people who've had the number 2 slot on a losing ticket--he would clobber her.

[GodlessBiker]

4. Dan Quayle tried to get the nomination, too.

[kennetha]

5. Yeah but Quayle never excited anybody

The fundies love Palin and I think she at least reminded them of why last night. (That's actually all I think she did -- rev up a base that was threatening to become catatonically demoralized.)

[Bucky]

11. Her run will get results like Pat Robertson got in 2000 (or was it 1996?).

She'll have a core of support. But four years from now the electorate will be reacclimated to having leaders who address them like they're grown ups. Leadership matters so much in this regard. Four years from now Palin will be a cue for most Republicans to cringe--like it's the Inuit word for "Dukakis."

She may yet rehabilitate herself. It won't be in just four years.

I wonder if she'll pull a Romney and not seek reelection, assuming that the notoriety of celebrityhood beats having to defend an actual track record.

[Kerrytravelers]

6. That might be circling in her dizzy little head, but being a pitiful and criticized part of a losing...

campaign and to have made such an international fool of herself, I seriously doubt that she will will a Republican primary against able candidates like Romney, Huckabee, possibly Jindel, Ridge and others. I really doubt it. Serious candidates who can speak intelligently (although we might vehemently disagree, but intelligently) on the issues will clean her clock (a little folksy cliche there, for 'ya, dog-gone-it,) during the first primary debate that will end any hopes of an actual legitimate run.

The bar for her was set so low, and everyone knows it. She knows nothing. I can pontificate more on the issues than she can- and really, that is sad. Everyone knows that she rattled off talking points. The fact checks have found a ton of errors, misfacts and outright lies. She is a one trick gimmick. Everyone knows it. She knows it.

She'll never be any closer to the White House than she is right now, and according to the polls, it is approximately 7% points (and growing) and about 100+ EV (and counting.)

It's over. And, I would also bet that she is on her last term of Governor, as the people of Alaska are embaressed by her, they're learning more about her than they ever had before and, as we speak, her negatives in Alaska are growing and her positives falling.

[kennetha]

10. I take your point

But you got to admit that the fundies do love her and they decide Repugnant nominations. Plus she's got four years to actually learn something and perfect her style. If she had more gravitas and combined it with even a smidgen of knowledge, you could see her selling herself as a female version of Ronald Reagan. And you know how the fundies feel about him.

[dancingme]

7. She's too famous in a joke way

She's the new Brittney and Paris.

[kennetha]

12. Not with the Repugnant base.

I don't think she'd stand even the slightest chance in a general election -- unless we screwed up as badly as Bush has, but fat chance of that. But the repugnants have been known to nominate some weird dudes -- look at the Shrub.

[blue_onyx]

16. I know this isn't a popular opinion here...

I LOVE Britney. She doesn't deserve to be compared to Palin...that's just mean, lol

[dogpatch]

8. you have a point about Palin

Hard to imagine she could rehabilitate herself but I remember as a kid thinking Reagan was a total freaking joke in 76 and then look what happened.

[JeffR]

9. She won't even be Governor of Alaska come '10

so I don't see this happening.

[blue_onyx]

13. I think she will run in 2012 for sure

She is the star of the Republican party. But I think, as of now, it's Mitt Romney's nomination to lose.

[BeyondGeography]

14. Say hello to two terms in that case

[Cha]

15. Alaska needs to get rid of her power abusing ass

when she goes back to face Troopergate and all that's been revealed since that burst wide open.

[WeDidIt]

17. That is actually highly likely

They will need a sacrificial lamb in 2012 and whomsoever they put up will end their political career for all time.

So if she maintains any sort of a national presence at all after this year, the neo-cons may support her in order to destroy the monster they created.

[gravity]

18. She will have to have a successful interview with the media first

There is no way Palin will make the top of the ticket. She is just a prop

[kennetha]

20. Does Fox Count?

[kestrel91316]

19. Nah. Especially not after the authorities in AK get done prosecuting her sorry ass.

And I STILL think they ought to look close for evidence that some of her assets come from one of those 42 meth labs in Wasilla.

[TlalocW]

21. Oh, god, imagine the republican debates

If some of the ones who ran this year come back...

Giuliani: Noun verb 9-11.
Palin: 9-11, you betcha!
Huckabee: Romney was for abortion before he was against it.
Palin: Okay, den, you can't be doin' that, all right?
Romney: I'm the only one onstage who has run a successful business.
Palin: Oh, dere you go again, Mitt.

TlalocW

[snake in the grass]

22. I'm not so sure.

After her humiliating defeat in November, she will return to a state where her ratings are going down. A judge has allowed the troopergate hearings to proceed and I think by the time this is all over, Palin will be so radioactive that she wouldn't get elected dog catcher. Remember, she has also made enemies in her own party in Alaska and these people are sharpening their knives.

[Window]

23. I'm trying to picture Palin and Hillary both running in 2012. LOL!