If you're against the Democratic ticket, get out of the way.

[PresidentObama]

We have a month to win this thing.

And the polls are showing us winning, and winning big.

I too gave criticism of Barack Obama--but there is a time and place for that. And it's not now.

No campaign is perfect, nor is any candidate.

Obama is our best hope, and incredible candidate. He'll made a phenomenal President.

So either work for us, or against us. But get in line.

We have a month. Save all bitching and moaning for November 5th.

[Curtland1015]

1. I'm with OP on this one.

If you want to complain, fine. Everyone needs to let off steam every once and a while. But if you are honestly not going to support Obama/Biden then do us all a favor and get the f*ck out of here.

[PresidentObama]

2. Bingo. In the final month, all criticism should stop and we should all work. It's crunch time.

We don't have time to bitch and moan.

Save it for November 5th.

[GarbagemanLB]

3. For all the idiots threatening to not vote or vote third party, just look at the Supreme Court and

ask yourself who you'd rather be in charge of nominating future justices. McCain or Obama?

[rvablue]

11. Agreed. The 3rd party sycophants

are responsible, IMO, for bringing us 8 years of disaster.

Ralph Nader is a narcissitic crazy old man that wants to be king not president.
He's right and everybody is wrong, but OH! WAIT!, he also told us last time around that Kerry was worse than Bush.

Yeah, right, go ahead and vote for him because Obama has ONE policy you don't like.

[PresidentObama]

17. Exactly. I don't agree with Obama on everything. But on the core issues, he's dead on.

We can't afford McCain getting into office.

Obama will do an incredible job in the White House!

[EstimatedProphet]

20. Who is threatening that?

[unfrigginreal]

4. Amen Brother!

We've disagreed plenty before but K&R for you.

[tekisui]

5. KNR!

[elocs]

6. Here's a Rec. On Nov. 5th we can either be bitching and moaning about Obama or McCain.

I prefer that if I have any bitching to do that it would be about Obama because at least he will listen. There is not now, nor will there ever be the perfect candidate. Obama is not perfect and he would be the first to admit that he is not. The bailout bill is passed and signed, so let's get on with the business of electing Obama.

[Kerrytravelers]

7. You're either part of the movement or in the way.

Obama has said from the beginning and repeatedly that he is not a perfect candidate and won't be a perfect president. When we disagree, he wants to hear from us. And it is this very humulity that draws me to him. Been a while since we're had that in a leader.

[crankychatter]

8. due to the impecably horrible timing, motivations for criticism are very questionable

I'm not in charge

I trust these moderators

stopping them could conceivably lead to greater schism

nevertheless, their motives are HIGHLY questionable

I don't think it falls into the category of "constructive criticism" at this time

k/r

[bunnies]

9. no....

save the bitching for November 6th. We get a day to celebrate! :bounce:

[unfrigginreal]

10. lol...hear hear

I'll go along with that. Will probably be hung over on 11/5 anyway.

[secondwind]

12. Amen!

[WI_DEM]

13. yup, put very well.

[Maureen1322]

14. Completely agree. Let's do this.

[1corona4u]

15. I agree!! There IS no better option anyway.

[sandnsea]

16. And off this board n/t

[PresidentObama]

18. Agreed n/t

[FrenchieCat]

19. See....that's what I'm talking about.

Those Bitching and Moaning move to the side.....

We'll see you after November 4th!

[PresidentObama]

21. Bingo, let's elect him first.

He won't be perfect, but he'll be an incredible improvement over the last eight years--and better than the four McCain is offering.

[Wednesdays]

22. K&R

:kick:

[mzmolly]

23. Hear hear!

:toast:

[PresidentObama]

24. Larry giving you any trouble, mzmolly?

;) You're still one of my favorite posters, by the way.

[mzmolly]

31. Who?

;)

And ... thank you! :hi:

[TexasObserver]

25. K&R! Anyone who can't stand firm the next 30 days should take a break.

Jesus Christ in the morning! Is it too much to ask that intraparty pissiness stand down?

[SwampG8r]

26. you are so making me proud of you!

nov 6th we can all bitch and moan and even piss if we want to

[rebel with a cause]

27. I am with you.

Some of the people here need to take a break from blogging, look at things realistically, and if they cannot do that then they need to take a long walk on a short peer. I have little patience these days with the nay sayers.

By the way, Bryan Williams can take one of those long walks on a short peer tonight as he kisses up to the mccain ticket. Couldn't stand the man before and even less now. :puke:

[kid a]

28. YES! Some sanity..K&R

[greenbriar]

29. see my challenge

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7308802

[Deep13]

30. On Nov. 5 we won't be bitching or moaning.

We will be wondering if this is what victory feels like.

Let me practice my election chant: "We won. You lost. Get over it!"

[donheld]

32. Yes Indeed

[Life Long Dem]

33. I see any bad mouthing of Obama as a threat to our party's Democracy

And, they should be dealt with.

[Deep13]

56. See, I see mandatory conformity as a threat to democracy. nt

[Life Long Dem]

62. You can't be saying the election process is "not" a democratic process?

That can't be right, since it is "by the people", whether voting machines screwed up or they stole it again. It is by the people.

Now is not the time to be going against Obama, and by going against the nominated candidate, which is under a democratic system, is a threat to democracy.

Take my comment how you want, but you won't see me threatening the nominated candidate in any democratic election.

Going against "...a government of, by and for the people..."through a "democratic process", is not "democratic".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

[Deep13]

69. I don't agree at all.

First, I have no intention of "bad-mouthing" Obama or anyone else for that matter. I already voted for him. Still, I am not going to pretend he is beyond criticism and no one would believe me if I did. And no one has the right to stifle dissent.

[chicagoexpat]

34. They're on the wrong side of history and will regret it.

They can either get on board or go stand over there with the Klan.

[Solon]

35. Is this yet another "shut up queers" post?

These things are getting fucking old. Look, I get it, GLBT folks aren't welcome in your party, and criticism of candidates is forbidden, that's great. I'll still vote for Obama, I think he's an OK guy, its his fucking assholish followers I can't fucking stand!

[Think82]

37. Drama queen

; p

[Donald Ian Rankin]

39. The short answer is "no".

The long answer is that:-

:-I suspect this post was prompted more by people complaining about the bailout than by people complaining about gay marriage, although that's just a guess on my part.

:-"These things are getting fucking old" is certainly true - there have been people objecting to criticism of Democratic candidates for as long as there have been people criticising Democratic candidates. That doesn't mean those objections aren't valid.

:-"GLBT folks aren't welcome in your party" isn't true, and I suspect you don't believe it's true either. It is true that the Democratic party takes a less unambiguous stand on gay rights that I would like it to do if it didn't have to worry about winning elections, but a) it does, and b) that's a long, long way from "GLBT folks aren't welcome in your party". I'm sure you've heard it before, but "taking the course that will result in the most effective promotion of a cause" and "refusing to compromise in verbal support of that cause" are not the same thing.

:-"Criticism of candidates is forbidden" is partly true - *many forms of* criticism of the Democratic candidate *on DU* are forbidden.

:-I'm glad you're going to vote for Obama (I'm not, but I would if I were American).

[Democat]

44. Yes, and everyone who doesn't believe Palin won the debate is SEXIST!

Come on!

[PresidentObama]

46. You should really check the time this thread was made because making such a charge.

Has nothing to do with the "shut up queers" hate fest threads.

It has to do with the endless bashing, not criticism, but bashing of Obama that took place yesterday.

And if you like him being bashed, move out of the way.

That's what I'm trying to say.

[Zuiderelle]

55. Certainly seems like a "shut up queers" thread to me, no matter that it was posted

prior to the most horrid "shut up queers" thread I've ever seen here. There has been no bashing of Obama. I've only seen bashing of gay people who have expressed their disappointment.

We aren't shutting up, so, you may as well shut up yourself, or you're the one guilty of dragging this issue out. It would have been so easy for people (as some did) to have just said, "Yeah that was awful. I understand your hurt." Instead, we get accused of the most nefarious and outrageous things, and told to shut up and get in line. You being gay, if you are, just makes it worse that you're doing the bashing too.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

65. Yep.

:*

[terrya]

53. Yes, that's exactly what this is.

Exactly.

I've asked Skinner to turn off my monthly donation. I will NOT finacially contribute to this place anymore. As a gay man, I'd have to be insane to finacially contribute to sanctioned, condoned homohobia.

[Beausoir]

63. Of course it is.

Any...ANY discussion of issues is verboten and disruptive.

Get in line, go to the back of the bus NOW and you will get a cookie later.

[TheDonkey]

36. Thank you. Those who are against Obama/Biden at this point are the enemy

we are in the final lap. We cannot tolerate and SHOULD not tolerate speed bumps and disrupters. I hope the DU mod community understands this.

[lamp_shade]

38. ..

[Top Cat]

40. Thanks....

[1corona4u]

41. I'm going to R this now!

I'm sick of the bitching.

[Unvanguard]

42. Nobody here that I've seen is "against the Democratic ticket."

Some of us are just annoyed at a political climate that refuses to recognize what is the obviously fair, decent, and reasonable thing to do.

[Curtland1015]

50. I've seen more then one poster saying they wouldn't vote for Obama if he voted to pass the bail out.

That's against our ticket.

[Unvanguard]

51. Fair enough. I agree, in that case. n/t

[Democat]

43. The SUPREME COURT will ultimately decide on gay rights, not Obama!

If you want the Supreme Court to be packed with extreme right wing anti-gay activists, then vote against Obama.

If you want the Supreme Court to be more friendly to civil rights, then support Obama.

It's that simple.

[Unvanguard]

47. On same-sex marriage? Why do you think so?

Sexual orientation is not a "suspect class" at the moment.

[No Elephants]

61. Whether or not gays are a suspect class, the SCOTUS has the final say about what

"equal protection" means with respect to gays and marriage licenses. For that matter, the SCOTUS has the final say on which class is a "discrete and insular minority." Gays were not so classed in California or Massachusetts, but those courts, bless them, nonetheless found that the equal protection clause required giving gays marriage licenses.

For this and many other reasons, we need more liberal judges in state and federal courts, which means more Dems in the Oval Office and Governors' mansions.

[1corona4u]

48. Exactly.

[Sodan]

45. K&R

[freespirit5]

49. Kick !

yes !

[PeaceNikki]

52. The people who are upset are the people working hard to help Obama win

every day. They are donating time and money to make sure it happens. This is WHY they feel disappointed and hurt about their civil rights being so easily dismissed. They have a right to be upset.

How many of our GLBT friends would ever cross the party line? Really?

[OwnedByFerrets]

54. Makes it an even 40.....lets push it further up...nt

[ProudDad]

57. If you REALLY want to do something constructive...

Stop bad mouthing third parties and do something about the Electoral College.

bush the lesser "won" in 2000 because the regressive, anti-democratic Electoral College skews the entire election toward the pissant, unrepresentative small states to the detriment of the majority of the nation's People.

If you want to change it, push on your state legislators (especially in the more populous states -- CA, NY, PA, etc.) to sign a gentle-person's agreement with an electoral majority of states and pass laws to give ALL of their electoral votes to the candidate who wins the majority of the popular vote.

We don't need a Constitutional Amendment. It would be impossible anyway because we'd need 2/3 of the States to ratify and there are more than 1/3 pissant states -- enough to block ratification. All we'd need would be an agreement that it's time Wy-freackin-oming, and Id-Pissant-a-ho and Al-(puke)-Aska don't have proportionately more say than California, New York, Texas or Michigan!!!

Then we can tackle the first to the post bullshit with Instant Run-off Voting...

With the undemocratic Electoral College hamstrung and Instant Run-Off Voting we wouldn't have to vote for the lesser of two-weevils.

[ProudDad]

59. Here are the numbers!

Just California, New York, Florida, Penn, Illinois, Ohio, Michigan, New Jersey, Virginia, Mass, Indiana, Washington, Maryland and Minnesota could do it. These are what I'd call Dem and Toss-up states this year.

Total: 274 Votes -- 14 states to swing the election.

The next few States, in case one of the above can't be depended on are; Wisconsin, Colorado, Conn, Oregon...

about 15 or 16 of the 50 states could kick the Electoral College ASS out of the picture...might even force a Constitutional Amendment to remove it.

And don't forget INSTANT RUN-OFF VOTING. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting

[Jennicut]

58. I love Obama and Biden. Best candidates we have had for Prez and VP in a long time.

I don't agree 100% on every single thing but I agree with almost 90%. I actually don't believe in extreme right or left government. Not that one has to govern in the "center" but that one should look at the problems of the nation and come to the best conclusion even if its not a typically Repub or Dem response. Obama seems like such a pragmatic realist. Shrub went with ideology all the time. I want someone who is thoughtful, not a knee jerk reactor.

[tomp]

60. shut up! nt

[BlueIdaho]

64. Its unity time...

Anyone who thinks they will get anything like a progressive agenda from the republicans is certifiable. Anyone who thinks voting for a third party is a great way to express their outrage is helping elect the republican ticket. If you want change - real change - lasting change and hope for a better future for us all - there is only one alternative.

Work and Vote for Barack Obama!

[BlooInBloo]

66. hahaha! *Now* he says this.

[crazy_vanilla]

67. I'm totally with you - bitching and moaning doesn't help us now

we need to unite to win!

[comrade snarky]

68. Well Said

And it mirrors my own opinion so I will read it again and bask in your brilliance!

[RepublicanElephant]

70. agree 1000%!

don't trash the party.

FIX IT!

[jillan]

71. Agreed! Many of us supported other candidates before we got to this point, and we supported them

over Obama.

That doesn't matter now.

Obama/Biden is our ticket, and I couldn't be happier.

[crankychatter]

72. have I kicked this MF lately? nt