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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:08 PM
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OK, let's get serious here: using an earpiece in a debate would be near IMPOSSIBLE.
Let's just think about the many reasons why this scenario is clearly bogus:

First of all, the person on the other end would have to be an EXPERT debater; the stand-in would only be as good as the voice in their ear. This person would have to know the candidate's positions on the issues better than the candidate themselves, and be able to speak as if they themselves were actually in front of an audience, not in a bunker or a parked van somewhere nearby--along with transmitting equipment and a realtime video broadcast of the debates, as well as a couple other people from the campaign monitoring the situation. It seems like that personnel and technology would be enormously and needlessly expensive to any presidential campaign. But if you buy that much...

One would assume that there would be HAVE to be a bit of a lag between the voice in the earpiece and the debater's own voice. Have you ever tried to repeat someone's words in real time? It's really quite difficult. You need a couple of seconds to hear what they're saying before you can repeat it yourself--and then, you have to stop and listen again, because you can't hear what they're saying while you're talking. If this was actually done, it would sound something like this:

"My opinion on the bailout crisis...is that congress has an obligation...to assist the country's banks...in making absolutely sure..." etc.

And so forth. Completely obvious. Even if the person in the ear didn't speak for the candidate and just spat out short reminders of legislation or statistics, you would notice if a person always waited 5 seconds before answering the question.

Finally, the candidate would have to be one HELL of an actor to fool the moderator and the audience into believing that all of this was spontaneous and natural. Whenever you find yourself merely REPEATING sentences or phrases dictated by someone else, your eyes tend to glaze over or look upwards. Also, because you don't know when the other person will end his or her sentence, your voice begins to take on a repetitive cadence, such as:

"I BICOASTAL--solemnly SWEAR--that I will support and DEFEND--the Constitution of the United STATES--against all ENEMIES--foreign and DOMESTIC..." etc.

This person would have to be a brilliant performer to make any of it sound natural and spontaneous--remember, the whole point of this operation would be to make the person sound as if each sentence was coming out of their brain and into their mouths instantaneously. And most politicians couldn't do that--hell, most ACTORS couldn't do it--without sounding exactly like they were being fed lines out of an earpiece. And the stakes of being caught in the act would be astronomically high, since being found out would almost definitely lose the candidate his or her election that very evening--so that's even more pressure. Would ANY of this be worth the trouble when you could just as easily participate in the debate for real, after some rigorous practicing and rehearsing ahead of time?

For all these reasons and more, I would kindly ask DU to stop talking about hidden earpieces and wires--the entire premise is simply absurd.


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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:09 PM
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1. She used to work at an anchor desk. n/t
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:10 PM
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3. Anchors use teleprompters to speak, and earpieces only to respond to sudden developments.
It's not as if they repeat everything that comes into their ear.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 05:43 AM
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28. Good point. n/t
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:09 PM
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2. What was the bulge on Bush's back then?
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:12 PM
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6. I have no idea, but I don't see how it could be an earpiece.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:14 PM
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13. The control pad for the robot stand in that took his place.
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Ozma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:28 PM
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22. WE all know Bush Cheated in 2004 in the debates and.......
in Ohio, where exit polls gave the victory to Kerry.

Cheaters............Republicans..............identical.

IMO
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:52 PM
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27. self destruct mechanism
it contained a little bottle of Jack Daniels.
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volstork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:11 PM
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4. Have you ever watched newscasters?
They do it all the time. It is part of their training. That's part of what worries me about Palin tonight-- she was a sportscaster, albeit a penny-ante local one, but probably has that skill (along with moose-dressing).
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:14 PM
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11. Politicians in debates don't talk the way newscasters do.
Newscasters talk in a near monotone. Politicians are way more conversational--if she was stiff as a newscaster, everyone would notice.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:11 PM
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5. If they were to do it at all, t would be for a slight advantage, and wouldn't
Edited on Thu Oct-02-08 07:12 PM by Jackpine Radical
involve fully-formed answers--just little clues (e.g. Plessy v. Ferguson, Separate but equal; Brown v. Board of Education, etc.) given while she's doing her moose-in-the-snowmobile-lights thing.
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AnotherMother4Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:13 PM
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Yes, I agree, and this could have been part of her preparation this past week. nt
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:12 PM
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7. You don't whole dictate answers
Edited on Thu Oct-02-08 07:12 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
You supply little bits of data... a short phrase reminding of the debate prep... pronunciation of a foreign name that will be involved in the answer

TV anchors have a script in front of them and also their producer in their ear.

And since she's probably the first national candidate to have ever worked ina TV news-room...

(I don't take the ear-piece stuff too seriously myself, but it would be a great help to a clueless debater)
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:13 PM
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8. GWEN: What would you do about the economic crisis, Governor Palin?
Edited on Thu Oct-02-08 07:15 PM by A-Schwarzenegger
GWEN: What would you do about the economic crisis, Governor Palin?

ROVE (in Sarah's ear): First, I would-- (McCain gives Rove coffee, spills it on Rove) God damn it, watch what you're doing! Those are my new Sansabelts!

SARAH: First, I would-- God damn it, watch what you're doing! Those are my new Sansabelts!

GWEN: Pardon me, Governor?

ROVE: No, no, don't say that.

SARAH: No, no, don't say that.

ROVE: Jesus, will you shut up.

SARAH: Jesus, will you shut up.

ROVE: All right, what was the question again?

SARAH: All right, what was the question again?

GWEN: Time's up. Senator Biden, same question to you.

JOE: Well, I doubt I can top Governor Palin, but I'll give it a try.


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Liberalboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:16 PM
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15. LOL
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:25 PM
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20. lol....you're on a roll A.!!!!
Sansabelts...:rofl:
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:13 PM
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9. It's not about repeating what the person is saying in your ear verbatim in real time
Particularly in a highly structured debate of this type an ear piece WOULD work.

Information and suggestions will be coming in to her as Biden is speaking. It's to help her sharpen her rebuttals primarily. Which is an area she needs a lot of work on.

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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:20 PM
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17. But if it's just info or suggestions, would it really be worth the risk of being caught?
Why not just train her REALLY REALLY well?
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:26 PM
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21. When you have the kind of recall issues Sarah Palin CLEARLY has, it would be worth the gamble. n/t
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:13 PM
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10. It wouldn't work for feeding an entire response narrative.
It would however work for filling in the blanks. Can't name a supreme court decision?

<pause>

Now you can.

Don't know what the heck what the moderator just said even means?

<thoughtful 'hmmming' and a pondering pose for a few seconds>

Now you do.

You don't have to be fed a dialog word by word, line by line, for an earpiece to improve your performance in a debate dramatically. You also don't need an expert debater on the other end, just a team of people who know the basic facts.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:14 PM
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12. it would tell her quit rambling. can give one word that will give her direction
Edited on Thu Oct-02-08 07:52 PM by seabeyond
yes... i can see an earpiece would be WAY useful for palin
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:14 PM
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14. I agree, it's a bogus accusation, but one Rove and the freepers would LOVE for us to get
all worked up about.

Plainly, Palin is NOT smart enough to use an earpiece. She would get confused.. VERY easily.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:19 PM
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16. Reagan was caught using one in press conferences.... nt
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:22 PM
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18. Yeah, but that's different--using a earpiece in a debate is CHEATING.
Using one in a press conference is merely tacky. Plus, Reagan was actually an ACTOR--Sarah's just a beauty queen.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:33 PM
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24. Didn't Bush do those things four years ago?
This is actually in response to your original post.

I seem to remember Bush doing all the things you mention during the debates four years ago. Long pauses while looking down, etc. As I remember, Bush's performance was utterly disjointed and weird.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:23 PM
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19. Let's just wait and see when she gets on stage, shall we?
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:33 PM
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23. You're overdoing it. She's been a newscaster- she is perfectly experienced in using an earpiece.
The producer frequently speaks to the newscasters during the program. It's part of her previous training in a big way.

What you described would be what it would sound like if you or I were using an earpiece for the first time- not her. This is nothing new for her.

PB
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:49 PM
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25. Producers don't dictate to anchors - they usually speak to them during breaks
and very occasionally during broadcasts to tell them of breaking news, new developments, etc. They do not dictate in their ear and have the anchors repeat what they say.

This speculation is, in my view, pure tin foil hat stuff.

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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:51 PM
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26. direct cortical implant
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