I am excited about tonight but afraid to be TOO confident. Let me explain why.

[LibraLiz1973]

First, it has NOTHING what-so-ever to do with Palin. She is an idiot who is not qualified to run the make up counter at Macys NYC, much less our country.
No, the reason I am afraid to have too high expectations is: John Edwards.
Remember the Cheney/Edwards debate 4 years ago?
I remember going in to that thinking, John Edwards was a trial lawyer. He has debated the best of the best.
He is angry. He is going to kick ass.
And he did NONE of that.
Cheney practically ate him alive. Edwards tried to be too cordial, and Cheney lied about being up on the hill "Most Tuesdays"
(even though that was an easy lie to disprove), and said he had never met John... even though they had met. For some reason,
John did not counter EITHER of those statements, and it cost us.

I had faith in Edwards in 2004- and I was wrong.

I have faith in Joe Biden tonight & I am more confident about his experience than I was about John's.

Still... that debate in 04 left a bad taste in my mouth. And it all came back when I read earlier that Biden called
Ferraro and asked her for advice. She's practically a Republican shill. She's a pretend-o-crat. I don't care what her
opinion is, and I wish Biden didn't either.

Sorry about the rant, this isn't a concern troll post, because I'm not necessarily concerned. Just afraid to have
my hopes too high.

[Dervill Crow]

1. My hopes have been dashed too many times. I understand.

It is still inconceivable to me that we have had * in the White House, let alone eight years of this crap. Nothing would surprise me.

I'm almost scared to hope for better things ahead.

Almost.

[LibraLiz1973]

4. That is what it boils down to. The fucking disbelief that we have had these crooks

in power for EIGHT LONG YEARS.

It's hard to be truly excited after what went on 2004. I really thought that election was a lock for us, and people STILL fuckin voted for that asshat.

[PetrusMonsFormicarum]

2. A good point

and one that I have (shudder) considered.

But I also have great respect for Biden's ability to capture (in Palin's words) "Joe Six-pack America". As long as he lets her zingers and insults whistle past like poorly aimed shots, keeps smiling, and provides some real meat-and-potatoes issues talk to her cotton candy, he'll run away with the gold.

[LibraLiz1973]

5. I do have so much respect for Biden, and I know he is far more experienced

than Edwards was in 2004.

[kimmerspixelated]

3. Interesting.

However, one difference is this....Cheney did know how to put sentences together, and came across as confident. Plus, there's a very good chance he threatened Edward's family if he challenged anything later. He is truly evil. Palin is going to be so worried about not sounding stupid, that she won't really have the wherewithall to debate effectively. I think it will be the longest 90 min. of her life. She will just try to muddle thru.

[LibraLiz1973]

6. Ha ha ha, who would EVER have thought that someone could make Cheney

look like an adequate speaker.

To me, EVERYTHING he says sounds like, "murmur murmur murmur, go fuck yourself, murmur murmur."

[FreeState]

7. Just remember the election is over the Economy and the failures of the GOP

how either candidate does tonight is not going to change either one of those - in fact since the first vice presidential debates not one has been documented to change the outcome of the election.