It's leaked out - Palin is going after Biden tonite.

[jillan]

She is going to spend the whole debate putting Biden on the defensive.

Discussion on msnbc right now.

[Muttocracy]

1. hmmm, more of the talk-about-the-other-side strategy? cause they have no good ideas?

[maseman]

2. Big surprise?

[trueblue2007]

71. On another thread, they were talking about her breast feeding her kid

So Joe, what are you gonna say if she does whip out her boob to feed her baby?

[Thrill]

3. Biden never plays defense. Thats a bad strategy

[justiceischeap]

4. Then Joe just needs to stay on topic and go after McBush n/t

[bdamomma]

31. Isn't that what he's going to do?

just to focus on McCain.

[RichGirl]

5. Her manicurist...

...is applying the tungsten fake fingernails as we speak.

[npincus]

6. dumb strategy... not to go after the top guy.

[ellacott]

7. How is she going to go after him?

That's like poking the bear. She will get no sympathy when that bear decides to take a swipe at you.

[quantass]

8. Not a surprise..was expected...there goal is to hopefully unnerve him so he can attack a "woman"

and make him look condescending towards a defenseless woman..but i gather Joe already knows this...or at least that is what i have been predicting McCain camp was planning on doing.

[BridgeTheGap]

9. I'm sure Joe is grateful for the tip. n.t

[EstimatedProphet]

10. That will certianly be entertaining

[nsd]

11. Biden's just going to ignore her and be his usual charming self.

Palin will come out the worse for it. He'll be the gracious, dependable statesman; she'll be the bitchy, risky incompetent.

[bdamomma]

38. if she comes out being rude to him, the voters will know what

bitch she is, she did very well showing her true colors during when she was introduced as VP being arrogant and rude.

[demnan]

12. I'm sure Joe is just shaking in his boots. . . Not

n/t

[bdamomma]

41. I bet when he comes out tonite and greets her he will be

his charming self, showing that smile of his and being confident. Joe will be okay.

[hamsterjill]

70. I'll bet you're right!

He'll probably be too scared to show up!!! (Sarcasm, of course).

Go, Joe!

[jillan]

13. If this is true, I'm betting $$$$$ right now that we will hear this from Joe.

Of course you are attacking me because you have nothing else to run on.

You watch.
My -shift+4- in on the line here ;)

[LanternWaste]

14. The appropriate analogy would be...

"...spend the whole debate putting Biden on the defensive."

The appropriate analogy would be "Luxembourg's police department putting NATO on the defensive..."

[Jackpine Radical]

58. HeeHee--The Moose that Roared!

[jenmito]

15. When she starts pointing out where he and Obama disagreed, he can point out where McCain

disagreed with PALIN on her pork requests, on her position on abortion, for saying we should go into Pakistan if necessary, and on and on.

[BattyDem]

Fine. That means everything is on the table.

Troopergate, Bridge to Nowhere, Alaskan Independence Party, making victims pay for their own rape kits, slashed funding for teen moms, attempts at book banning, leaving Wasilla $20 million in debt, her so-called foreign policy experience, hunting from helicopters, trying to keep polar bears of the Endangered Species list, the whole "plane sold on ebay" nonsense, her lack of Supreme Court knowledge, etc., etc.

[ErinBerin84]

16. and they are just giggling with excitement

at the prospect of the "cute girl" going after the man...but, the Obama campaign should not DARE focus at all on Sarah Palin, no no no, that would be a mistake!

[Blue_In_AK]

17. This is pure Cheney/Rovesque politics.

One of Sarah's strongest suits as governor of Alaska, and one reason why she had such a high approval rating, was that she worked very well with the Democrats in the legislature to help her pass her priorities. I never heard her, in the two years she was governor, engage in any kind of partisan attacks. That's why we're so pissed off here at how she's been behaving the past month.

This is bad strategy for her, and she's going to pay for it when she comes home November 5.

http://www.ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?S=9102814

ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- Gov. Sarah Palin is kind of famous for the work she's done with Democratic lawmakers while she's been in office.

But at those so-called "Truth Squad" press conferences, we've heard a lot of accusations against lawmakers, especially Democrats, who they claim made the Troopergate investigation partisan.

So, if the McCain-Palin campaign does not win the election, what will Palin's working relationship be like with those lawmakers when she comes back home?

"I have been surprised," Rep. Les Gara, D-Anchorage, said. "The alliance in the Legislature has really been between the Democrats and Gov. Palin."

But after everything that's happened on the campaign trail, and with Troopergate, if Palin loses the election, does she lose friends back home?

"I've been hurt by this," Gara said. "I have some very good friends the McCain campaign is attacking."

Gara said in the end, people will get over any hurt feelings.

And even in Palin's own party, "The relationship with the Legislature is always a work in progress," Sen. Burt Stedman, R-Sitka, said.

A strong opponent of the governor's gasline deal, Stedman now seems more friendly.

"Once the election's done, if she does lose -- which I hope she doesn't -- I'm going to support her and vote for her ... and John McCain," he said. "But if she happens to come back we'll patch those bridges in the Legislature and move on."

Republican House Speaker John Harris said the governor could also be a little leery of lawmakers who spoke out against her during the election.

"It's going to be strained in certain cases," Harris said in a phone interview. "Anybody that may have said anything other than absolutely 100 percent glowing comments (she) might have some strong feelings against him."

So if the election doesn't go her way, Palin could be facing a rough homecoming, and some hurt feelings she'll have to work hard to heal.

Of course we'll see how everything turns out this Nov. 4.

[zulchzulu]

18. Biden could turn her into a gurgling gaffe machine with that strategy

It also takes away her "poor me" victim schtick... he'll zing her into next week.

[Blaze Diem]

19. Like E. Hasselbeck tried to do on "The View"?

'Elisabeth, name something that would make Sarah Palin a good President...
Hasselbeck replies defensivly, "what would make Obama a good President?"

Palin won't reply with her own credentials, (cuz she has none) but she WILL reply by accusation of Biden, who of course cannot respone since the format will not allow for rebuttal.
At least that's how I believe it to be laid out.
Palin will treat this debate as not about her, but about Biden.

Maybe Ifill will allow Biden to answer to Palin's accusations.
--------------
I would thinkPalin will try to get Biden to show his temper & sarcasm.
Only weak point he has...then declare him as being mean, unfair, and of course sexist.

She's a nasty stupid beeeatch.

[BattyDem]

22. The format will not allow for rebuttal???

How can it be a debate if there's no opportunity for rebuttal? :shrug:

[Blaze Diem]

34. Not certain, just what I had heard on news.

They cannot direct questions at the other.
I thought it weird. Then why not just have them fill out the pre-approved questionaire and post it on the web.
I need to check this out. Doesn't seem right, but with Palin's handlers calling the shots for their idiot SP, I wouldnt be entirely surprised.

Have to find a web site to get some facts, cannot rely on the news anyway..

[fugop]

51. Discussion?

I read it's 90 seconds for response then two minutes for discussion. Does that mean between the candidates? I didn't quite understand what discussion is supposed to entail.

[Blaze Diem]

54. Maybe it still depends on how Palin does at Veep training camp.

Must be waiting for the final results before committing to a definate format.

[TorchTheWitch]

53. Yes there is rebuttal... no follow up questions though

The format was changed to favor Palin in that there will be no follow up questions after the rebuttals. So basically, the mod asks a question of one candidate, that candidate says their piece, the opposing candidate says theirs, and then both sides have a chance to rebut if they want to. But there will be no follow up questions put forth by the mod regardless of what juicy bits may come out in the responses and rebuttals. This change in the format favors Palin because in all of Palin's interviews it was her responses to follow up questions where she mostly made a complete ass of herself. Good news is that she is so stupid she'll flop like a fish out of water whenever she opens her mouth follow up questions or no.

[Hepburn]

20. That's a leak? Or a surprise?

What did anyone expect? :shrug:

[goletian]

21. BIDEN IS GONNA CALL IT NONSENSE!! im callin it now.

[jenmito]

24. No-he'll call it "malarky." I'M callin' it now.

:D

[BattyDem]

26. LOL!

:toast:

[jenmito]

29. ...

:toast:

[Born_A_Truman]

23. She's queen of the cheap shots

Fits right in with McCain, doesn't she?

[jenmito]

27. But she licks her lips and sucks her teeth and then smiles before delivering them,

so she can get away with it. :eyes:

[me b zola]

48. That is going to be her focus

...cheap shots.

I've been going through what I think the debate will sound like, and it keeps coming back to nasty Sarah's cheap shots. I have such faith in team Obama, still it's hard for me to not shout out the retorts that in my (simple)mind Biden should return fire with.

[Avalux]

25. Ummm....only if he allows it. Biden will decide if he's on the defensive.

Sometimes my daughter will say "so-and-so made me angry". I tell her the choice was hers whether or not to be angry.

Biden will be fine.

[nini]

28. That's the tactic of anyone who has nothing valid to say otherwise

She'll look like the rookie she is when he sticks to topics and deep knowledge of issues.

I hope he just kinda laughs at her.

[JuniperLea]

33. *snicker*

Yep!

I expect he will smirk, snicker, and kill her with kindness through his winning smile:)

[BattyDem]

40. Exactly! Biden is not the guy to try this with.

He's incredibly intelligent and well-informed ... and he's good with a zinger! He's able to deliver a zinger with a wink and a smile, which allows him to maintain his charm. Also, he won't hesitate to point out the fact that she's got nothing but insults. He won't have to attack her personally - he can simply stick to the issues and ask why the GOP ticket doesn't want to discuss them.

[4_Legs_Good]

30. HE NEEDS TO UNDERCUT HER ATTACKS BEFORE SHE BEGINS

It's easy, and I hope he knows it!

The first question will likely be "Why were you chosen to be VP"

He answers:

1. Because he gets along with Barack.
2. Because he doesn't always agree with Barack, and you can just look back at the debates to see it, and Barack likes having people around who disagree as he wants a different perspective
3. Because of his extensive experience, particularly in foreign policy, and his experience dealing with world leaders
4. Because he's a normal guy, who has a family he rides the train home to every night, with a son heading off to serve his country, etc.

As soon after that he needs to define McSame's understanding of the term "MAVERICK" as meaning "ERRATIC".

This simple answer will undercut 95% of her attacks, and will make her think twice each and every time she mentions them, because he can just say "as I explained earlier..."

This is fool proof. Innoculate yourself at the very beginning Joe, and just sit back and watch her destroy herself.

David

[BattyDem]

42. That's great advice!

:toast:

[Barrymores Ghost]

77. I truly, truly adore this idea...

...and I've got nothing -- literally, nothing -- to add.

:toast:

[undeterred]

32. She doesn't know enough to put Biden on the defensive.

She doesn't know enough to have a conversation about the Supreme Court. She doesn't know enough to do more than drop one-liners. She's out of her depth in the kiddy pool.

[bukowskiforever]

35. I am not Sylvia Browne, but I could have told you that

I knew it all along: when all else fails, bring out the snarky snark attacks. That is why I pray to Jah that Biden has a few disses in his arsenal. Knowing this country the way I think I do, too many people have the tendency to mistake style with substance.

[DeschutesRiver]

36. Good to hear it, because it is the ultimate dumb move - should bury her

Biden stays on message, rips McCain to shreds, ignores Sister Sarah's personal attacks completely, Sarah sounds like an uneducated, uninformed harpy. I'd think if anything, Sarah bitching at Joe will have the effect of relaxing him and making him put on the charm, and deliver concise pleasant blows almost nonstop. And all that without even acknowledging her at all.

He will take the tack of "letting Sarah be Sarah", should she have the bad judgment to try that.

I can't believe they'd be this dumb, but my fingers are crossed.

[hvn_nbr_2]

37. She'll attack with glittering generalities. He'll parry with facts and actual thoughts.

If she tries the mad dog attack strategy, she'll look dumber than she's already shown herself to be.

[Raffi Ella]

39. I can't wait.

I can't wait to see her up against this amazing statesmen. If the Katie Couric side by side comparison is any indicator it should be a hell of a night for Joe and I am SO looking forward to it. :evilgrin:

[dbmk]

43. Shouldn't there be a trying to in there somewhere? :)

[calmblueocean]

44. They are trying to revive the now-dead "Sarah Barracuda" brand, probably by attacking Biden on Iraq.

Biden's plan for federalizing Iraq by splitting it into three different autonomous regions -- Kurdish, Sunni, and Shia -- turned out to be very unpopular there. Biden and Obama both voted against the Surge, and Biden declared it a failure earlier this year, while Obama just said recently that it had "succeeded beyond our wildest dreams."

So that's where Sarah's going to hit him. She's going to rattle off the names of every Iraqi leader and province she can work into her answer, in order to dispel the perception that she is a foreign policy lightweight. She's going to mock his foreign policy experience and say that no one has been as wrong on foreign policy as Obama and Biden. Her ultimate goal is to goad Biden into a flash of anger or a cutting remark. She'd rather have this turn into an insult contest, because she's stronger on that ground than on any other.

The truth about Biden's plan is that we won't know whether we should've tried it until we pull our troops out and stop paying off militia leaders. But he's still going to have to defend against Palin's attacks.

Personally, my hope is that Biden asks Sarah why she hasn't given a single press conference. That's unprecedented. And scary. Contrary to lots of opinions I've read in the past few days, I think Biden doesn't do himself any favors by playing the pinata tonight. Show Sarah the courtesy of debating her like he would a man. He shouldn't let her bloody his nose out of some misguided sense of chivalry. Hillary never asked for that. She earned her respect. So should Palin.

[Raffi Ella]

46. This debate

is not going to be the back and forth open ended platform that Barack had with McCain. It's straight Q&A with no direct interaction between Biden and Palin -per the McCain camps demands that Bidens camp agreed to...

I think Biden will shine tonight, how could he not? Gaffe or no gaffe, insult or none from Palin he has the knowledge and experience that she lacks and THAT is what will be very apparent tonight.

[The Traveler]

45. Bambi attacks Godzilla

It usually goes poorly for Bambi ... :evilgrin:

Trav

[Ganja Ninja]

47. Biden needs to just ignore her and stay on topic.

He should only call her when she lies about her record and just laugh off the crazy attacks.

[Cha]

50. Stay on message and don't play defense..

Obama was pretty good at that.

[David__77]

49. Not a surprise, what else would she do?

The problem is that she is a babbler that can't clearly or compellingly articulate lofty concepts. Even with Hugh Hewitt on the radio she sounded foolish. Talking about abortion, she was entirely unconvincing and just kept repeating "culture of life" like a parrot. I don't see this going well for her.

[Resuscitated Ethics]

52. Palin is a pest and a hit-man

Her sole purpose is to create ammo for partisan warfare. She is glib, canned, and still-fresh-after-all these weeks. (block-that-metaphor alert) Toxic Shock is growing in that Rely-brand tampon: she was used to stem the hemorrhaging McCain campaign and nobody thought to change the dressing. She's infected. Biden will push the whitehead to one side, then the other, LOOK OUT, she's erupting!

All that's left is some runny fluid. Palin leaking out indeed. The McCain campaign is rotten to the core.

[1corona4u]

55. Yeah-- it just accidently leaked out....

NOT.

[budkin]

56. How?

[nini]

57. another thing.. she's not in podunk politics anymore

that crap may work in rural areas with little competition, but she's in the epitome of the major leagues here. She can't even answer a fucking question about newspapers and they think she'll be able to get by on being a snarky child?

I'm going to be annoyed as hell tonight but will enjoy all this blow up in her snotty little face.

[WinkyDink]

59. "Perhaps the voters would like to know more of what you and Sen. McCain plan to do."

And/or:

"Governor Palin keeps mentioning my record. At least I have one. But I think the voters would like her to expound a bit on what specifically she opposes in my vote on the (X, Y, Z) Bill."

Because all she has done is crammed for attacking "Biden's record."

[my3boyz]

60. Thanks for leaking it McCain camp. You are giving Biden the time

to decide how to make her look like the idiot she is.......

[City Lights]

61. That worked so well for McNasty the other night. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

62. "If humans evolved from apes, why are there still apes, Joe?"

:eyes:

[HughMoran]

63. Anybody who believes this crap is a moron

It's intended to psych out Biden and distract us - shame!

[Forkboy]

67. How do you know? It makes great sense to try to antagonize Biden.

It's what I'd be doing. If somehow she gets to him and he fires back it makes her look good and a victim of the mean old Biden, even if what he says isn't really that bad. It's one of the only strategies they can even try to use that has any chance of scoring some points.

Instead of the rather ineffectual shame and scolding, why not tell us why you think we're all morons, and what YOU think they'll do?

[HughMoran]

69. I didn't say anybody was anything

Apparently you believe the so called "leak" from the Republican camp.

I don't - I think it's a ploy to distract and try to psych out Biden.

[Forkboy]

79. "Anybody who believes this crap is a moron"

"I didn't say anybody was anything."

You just set the land McCain record for quickest flip flop.

[HughMoran]

81. OK, take it literally and personally then

I think it's funny when people take certain exaggerated language personally - like I was pointing at you and saying "moron!"

:rofl:

[Forkboy]

84. Cowardly dodge from your own words. Tell us Hugh...who did you mean if not people in this thread?

You know full well there were plenty of people already in this thread agreeing when you posted that. If you're not going to have the guts to stand by your own words you really shouldn't post them, because it makes you look pretty sad to weasel out of them in front of everybody when called on it. I didn't take it personally, I merely pointed out that the tactic made sense, and asked you to explain why you thought it didn't, something you don't seem willing to try to do.

Now, be sure to add two smilies this time. Maybe that'll fool DUers into not noticing your cowardice.

Have a nice day.

[HughMoran]

85. I meant that I don't believe leaks from Republicans

They have been known to mess with us quite a bit in the past 8 years.

Karl Rove is a prime example.

[ieoeja]

78. Actually, this is EXACTLY what Palin did in her gubernatorial debates.

Someone posted an article on here a couple days ago by a former opponent. He said the moderator asked the panel to name one piece of legislation they would like to see passed.

He would name a piece.
Another candidate would name a piece.
Palin would launch a pre-rehearsed attack completely unrelated to the question.

The moderator then asked them to name one piece of legislation they would oppose.

He would name one.
Another candidate would name one.
Palin would launch a pre-rehearsed attack completely unrelated to the question.


And when you consider her seeming inability to even understand what questions she was being asked by Couric... you do not have to be a moron to believe this. You have to be ignorant to not believe this. Of course she is going to do nothing but launch pre-planned attacks. She is too stupid to answer the actual questions.


I'd love to see the moderator finally ask Palin, "what is two plus two," to highlight the idiocy of her inability to answer a simple, direct question.

[HughMoran]

80. If she does do this (I'm leary of a "leaked" story) they Gwen may get annoyed

If she annoys the moderator and has to be asked repeatedly to stay on topic or has repeated follow-ups asked, Palin may end up looking like quite the jerk.

[meow2u3]

64. Trying her pit-bull-with-lipstick routine?

Put lipstick on a pit bull, and you'll still have a growling bitch (or a son of a bitch). :grr:

(mods: no offense to women intended; only a dog pun).

[DefenseLawyer]

65. That is perhaps the worst strategy I have ever heard.

If she is aggressive and even mean-spirited, not only will she destroy whatever good will she might have as a "regular gal" just trying to do her best and all that, but it will give Biden an invitation to call her out without looking like the heavy. Almost as brilliant as meeting the the Des Moines Register editorial board!

[deadparrot]

66. Shocker, that.

If *I'm* not surprised by that, I kind of doubt Team Biden is.

[Cha]

68. Have you read this, piranah, on what Biden has been doing?

Want to read an intelligent report on what Biden has done to prepare?

OCTOBER 2, 2008 Biden Prepares for Palin

"With Eye on Gender Pitfalls"
By AMY CHOZICK

<snip>

"Sen. Biden also has received advice from Democratic primary opponent Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York, California Sens. Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein, and a number of top campaign aides.

Aides say Sen. Biden will emphasize issues rather than attacks, and debate preparations have centered on making the case for Sen. Obama rather than tearing down Gov. Palin. "I think this will come down to bigger questions than who can throw a sharp elbow. This is a much bigger election" than that, says Patti Solis Doyle, Sen. Biden's campaign chief of staff."

<more>
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122289677839095667.html...

[jillan]

73. Biden will do just fine.

I just can't believe that they're going to sink so low, but then again, what else do they have to run on?

[cjsmom44]

72. RE: I am not surprised...

What else does she have...she has to keep him on the defensive ....to keep discussion off the real issues...

[Shine]

74. I'm SHOCKED........SHOCKED, I TELL YOU.

lol.

[Flying Dream Blues]

75. Based on what I saw of her gubernatorial debate, she says really snarky things

but dresses them up in cutesy tone. Just like her jabs about hearing Biden's speeches in 2nd grade then saying, "Oooh, that's all positive, he has lots of experience!" She's as mean and nasty as they come, but not directly, unless no one else is around, apparently.

[FreeState]

76. Obama is going for the independents - not a bickering back and forth

thats where this tactic (or is that her strategy?) wont work. Independents are sick of back and forth politics they want leadership and decisiveness without put downs. Thats what the first debate showed us.

[progressivebydesign]

82. I forget.. can I use the word BITCH here on DU? I always forget.

McCranky's campaign is so fucking desperate. Fuck her.. that two bit mayor attacking a distinguished statesman and fine family man. HOw exactly does that fit in with her Christian beliefs?? Being an asshole is apparently what Jesus wants... right? McCranky's people are slipping -- they've forgotten how badly she did with undecideds and focus groups after her nasty acceptance speech. She comes off as a total bitch, not cute nor clever.

They are the most inept campaign people i've ever witnessed. They SHOULD have had her come off looking Knowledgeable or at least dignified, because people don't believe she has the gravitas to pull off the job. Having her on the attack only makes it much more glaring that she doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about.

Have I mentioned lately how much I fucking hate the republicans??? They can NEVER win elections on their own merits, they have to cheat, attack, and slime everything within ten feet of them.

[Danger Mouse]

83. It's all she has. She's doomed.

[workinclasszero]

86. Thats awesome!

Palin will get her little rethug attack on and prove to the country that she and Gramps are bereft of plans and policies to help the American people in these times of republican caused financial failure.

Biden should be a perfect gentleman while explaining how he and Senator Obama plan to get the country out of the disastrous Bush years.

People are so sick of the gutter rethug attacks while our whole country is collapsing around us.

Anyway, I'd like to see Caribou Barbie string two coherent sentences together. It should be a real laugh riot!:popcorn:

[Guaranteed]

87. No- she's trying to scare him into attacking her. nt

[Political Heretic]

88. I call bullshit.

I'd love to see her try though.

[Abacus]

89. If so,

I'm gonna go ahead an call an increase of support for Obama among married males.