Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Does this freak anyone else out? - North Com

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
Robyn66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 01:54 PM
Original message
Does this freak anyone else out? - North Com
I found this article and it makes me kind of nervous. The entire article is:

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

The title of the article is:

Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army
By Gina Cavallaro - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Sep 8, 2008 6:15:06 EDT


Here is part of the article-

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the “jaws of life” to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area.

The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

“It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

“I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered,” said Cloutier, describing the experience as “your worst muscle cramp ever — times 10 throughout your whole body.

“I’m not a small guy, I weigh 230 pounds ... it put me on my knees in seconds.”

The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced “sea-smurf”).

“I can’t think of a more noble mission than this,” said Cloutier, who took command in July. “We’ve been all over the world during this time of conflict, but now our mission is to take care of citizens at home ... and depending on where an event occurred, you’re going home to take care of your home town, your loved ones.”

While soldiers’ combat training is applicable, he said, some nuances don’t apply.

“If we go in, we’re going in to help American citizens on American soil, to save lives, provide critical life support, help clear debris, restore normalcy and support whatever local agencies need us to do, so it’s kind of a different role,” said Cloutier, who, as the division operations officer on the last rotation, learned of the homeland mission a few months ago while they were still in Iraq.

Some brigade elements will be on call around the clock, during which time they’ll do their regular marksmanship, gunnery and other deployment training. That’s because the unit will continue to train and reset for the next deployment, even as it serves in its CCMRF mission.

Should personnel be needed at an earthquake in California, for example, all or part of the brigade could be scrambled there, depending on the extent of the need and the specialties involved.

Other branches included
The active Army’s new dwell-time mission is part of a NorthCom and DOD response package.

Active-duty soldiers will be part of a force that includes elements from other military branches and dedicated National Guard Weapons of Mass Destruction-Civil Support Teams.

A final mission rehearsal exercise is scheduled for mid-September at Fort Stewart and will be run by Joint Task Force Civil Support, a unit based out of Fort Monroe, Va., that will coordinate and evaluate the interservice event.

In addition to 1st BCT, other Army units will take part in the two-week training exercise, including elements of the 1st Medical Brigade out of Fort Hood, Texas, and the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade from Fort Bragg, N.C.

There also will be Air Force engineer and medical units, the Marine Corps Chemical, Biological Initial Reaction Force, a Navy weather team and members of the Defense Logistics Agency and the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

One of the things Vogler said they’ll be looking at is communications capabilities between the services.

“It is a concern, and we’re trying to check that and one of the ways we do that is by having these sorts of exercises. Leading up to this, we are going to rehearse and set up some of the communications systems to make sure we have interoperability,” he said.

“I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 01:57 PM
Response to Original message
1. Yup. So much for posse comitatus
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 01:59 PM
Response to Original message
2. Very, very much.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 01:59 PM
Response to Original message
3. No...is there anyone who wants change more than these folks?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:01 PM
Response to Original message
4. nice of them to tell us that they are planning for martial law--and even providing us with
their "reasons" (the "mass poisonings" bit got to me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:01 PM
Response to Original message
5. Sounds like they are setting up for a Marshall Law event to me.
This is probably trouble for American citizens who do not agree with what ever present admin is in place. This is not good and I for one do not want them in my home at any time, not military, no way.

:grr:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #5
11. please note that the word is MARTIAL, not marshall.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:02 PM
Response to Original message
6. No. since the National Guard is overseas, the Army does the National Guard's job.
Edited on Tue Sep-30-08 02:03 PM by blondeatlast
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. And over and over and over....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Boz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. Care to answer and mock why a COMBAT team wouldnt be sent to the COMBAT zone and send the Guard back
Edited on Tue Sep-30-08 02:32 PM by Boz
to handle its CIVIL DEFENSE duties.

This isn't just some lets go hang out and do nice things in an emergency team, this team is being deployed in FULL BATTLE RATTLE and was and is continuing to train in urban WARFARE.

Oh and before you say they are just getting a rest, they have already been rotated and refreshed, this is a FRESH rotation.

So please feel free to mock it and explain to me what you know.

One last little thing not in the army article, the contents of the non lethal weapons pack, includes a tank that has magnatron beam device(no not science fiction) capable of being used of crowds in the hundreds, that is essentially a portable microwave when aimed at people in short bursts it frys the layer of skin just below the surface, yeah thats non lethal, if you turn it off.

The package in the deployment also includes, quick set modular prison units for regional temporary prison scenarios capable of deploying to handle 300-400 persons for extended detention of up to a year.


FULL BATTLE RATTLE COMBAT team on US SOIL, with one of their direct orders to be used AGAINST CIVIL UPRISINGS

So no tin foil hat here, but feel free to stay in your oblivion.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:13 PM
Response to Original message
7. Yes. Randi Rhodes has been all over this.
This is really, really frightening. In addition to what this development says about where this nation stands with regard to our civil rights and liberties, it's troubling that the brigade of soldiers being redeployed on American soil has been newly lifted out of the gates of hell, where they may have been less reticent to hold their fire. I gotta believe even conservatives, and certainly libertarians, would have none of this.


Here's something I found on posse comitatus:

snip/

The Posse Comitatus Act was enacted in 1878. It reads as follows (as revised in 1956):

"Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than two years, or both."

. . . . . . .

NO MILITARY LAW ENFORCEMENT

What the act does is to ensure that the military is not used for domestic law enforcement. This is an important safeguard for individual liberty and citizens' rights. When military forces are used to enforce domestic laws on citizens, the danger of a military or military-dominated dictatorship is not necessarily inevitable. But it is a constant danger. //snip

http://www.antiwar.com/bock/?articleid=7468
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Robyn66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:17 PM
Response to Original message
8. Sounds a lot like V for Vendetta to me! (nt)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:36 PM
Response to Original message
12. 3d brigade is headquartered down the road from me--there are 5 bases within ten miles of me
and I don't like the idea of using the military for civil law enforcement one bit.

we already had an incident here, with fully-armed soldiers paired with civilian police at the bars a couple of months ago. when I asked why, in violation of posse comitatus, I was told they were there "strictly in an observer capacity" so why were they armed? do civilian ride-alongs get to bring THEIR weapons?

when they mentioned drunk ptsd soldiers, I suggested they bring shrinks instead of mp's.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:37 PM
Response to Original message
13. The link no longer works: The Army Times has taken down the article? eom
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Robyn66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #13
20. Found another link
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

If this one doesn't work just google "Army Times North Com" and you will see it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:38 PM
Response to Original message
14. I wouldn't be shocked or surprised if the election was OBVIOUSLY stolen then Bush called Marshal law
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:39 PM
Response to Original message
15. These days, the way some of the people who are enlisting have such
an attitude of superiority and entitlement in a few of the military branches, nothing reassures me anymore.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:51 PM
Response to Original message
16. Anyone else get the feeling that these soldiers...
...are also being duped?

They're being trained to cut down trees in the middle of the road and to help with traffic control.

Oh please.

Our government is going to bring in the military when a tree falls in the middle of Main Street? Quick!
Call in the military, we need traffic control in What Cheer, Iowa!

This...is...so...ridiculous.

It sounds like these soldiers are being trained without fully grasping what their ultimate purpose
could be.

Our troops most certainly were duped when they went into Iraq. Our soldiers were told that they were
liberating the Iraqi people and spreading freedom to them. Our soldiers trusted that this was
the truth and they were proud of their mission. Soon, an insurgency (the Iraqi people) broke out, and
suddenly, the people who were supposed to be benefactors of "freedom" were being killed. That's how
it will happen here. That's exactly how it will go down. Our own country will be "invaded" and Americans
will not put up with being tasered and controlled by a military presence in their own streets and cities.
Suddenly, Americans are the enemy. Suddenly, people who speak out are "enemy combatants." Suddenly,
your front doors are being busted down in the middle of the night, and your house searched--in the name
of rooting out anti-American organizers and disruptors.

I'll NEVER forget the pictures of Iraq families--children and mothers--with their hands up, so afraid
and crying--after the American soldiers bust down the doors and search their homes, brandishing automatic
weapons. If they'd do it over there, they'd do it here. Either you have respect for human life, or
you don't. This administration does not and they'll use our soldiers and traumatize them into taking
horrendous orders.

It happened in Iraq, and it can happen here.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 03:33 PM
Response to Original message
17. think about it
where would it be easist to poison people or to create chaos, in big cities or in the countryside?

How do people in cities vote?

How do people in the countryside vote?

Where would this army unit likely be used, the countryside or the city?????
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 04:31 PM
Response to Original message
18. I, too, share your concern.
This does not bode well, I fear. This has been posted several times in the previous 2 weeks or so, and is a very controversial topic. I suggest you might want to activate your heat shields now. I sense a flame fest coming! Man your battle stations!:thumbsup: :hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 04:33 PM
Response to Original message
19. just a few Boncentration Bamps... nothing to vorry about mein dickey old chum!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 08th 2024, 07:55 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC