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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 01:47 PM
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It doesn't matter how Repubs vote, they own this crisis.
So what are they up to: trying to sell the public on more deregulation. The Republicans are not going to vote for any bailout plan that doesn't include deregulation. From Krugman:

On (2), the call is tougher. But putting myself in Barney Frank or Nancy Pelosi’s shoes, I’d look at it this way: the Democrats could start over, with a bailout plan that is, say, centered on purchases of preferred stock and takeovers of failing firms — basically, a plan clearly focused on recapitalizing the financial sector, with nationalization where necessary. That’s what the plan should have looked like.

Maybe such a plan would have passed Congress; and maybe, just maybe Bush would have signed on; Paulson is certainly desperate for a deal.

But such a plan would have had next to no Republican votes — and the Republicans would have demagogued against it full tilt. And the Democratic leadership cannot, cannot, be seen to have sole ownership of this stuff.

Separate mostly everything the Republicans are doing to address this crisis from Bush. He's irrelevant and desperate.

Republicans don't want a deal that doesn't include more deregulation so they're out their making BS arguments feigning concern for the poor taxpayer, even as they blame them (and big government) for the crisis:

So in addition to rewarding irresponsible lenders and borrowers, we taxpayers are now to be "protected" by buying the toxic debt of states, cities and municipalities. It's one thing to throw a life-line to the credit industry; local governments, by contrast, have the ability to cut spending drastically or raise taxes if their inhabitants want government services. Elected politicians are then accountable for runaway spending and mismanagement. If Detroit or Chicago is sinking because of big-government policies, that's what the citizens of those cities asked for by voting for Democrats year in and year out. Why should the rest of us be on the hook for that?

Basically, the agreement struck over the weekend with key participation from many of the guiltiest politicos provides no mechanism for valuing the debt that Americans are being asked to assume; places few meaningful limits on the public/private recklessness we will be forced to underwrite; would go into effect right before an election which, if Obama wins, would turn management of the bailout over to a new, big-government administration; and protects not the taxpayers but the defaulters to whom Democrats compelled the banks to extend credit beginning in the nineties (lighting the fuse for today's big bang), while responsible borrowers are denied what would otherwise be available credit and a more honest housing market.

link


Weekly Standard blames the crisis on unions and pensions



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JoeyMac Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 01:55 PM
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1. Personally... I see this as a failure of both parties.
A qualifying amount of BOTH parties voted against this.
Either party's votes could have swung the number needed to pass - despite the fact the disapproval for the 'pubs was twice the rate of the Dems.

Personally, I think this WHOLE mess was started with the CRA in the 70's and the expansion of the CRA in the 90's
We wouldn't be pointing fingers claiming "they're not voting for whatever bailout we need" if the CRA was a bit more stringent.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 02:06 PM
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2. "I think this WHOLE mess was started with the CRA in the 70's " Really?
The CRA had nothing to do with the crisis. Read up on McCain, Phil Gramm and the repeal of Glass-Steagall.

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JoeyMac Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 02:27 PM
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3. IDK, I'll look into it ... but...
I was skeptical at first, too. I have a few buddies who work as financial investors and actuaries. Both assured me that 100% of the people they work with place some blame on the CRA expansion and the high proportion of ARM loans to unqualified buyers. They explained that the concept of the CRA is great, but it forced banks to back unwise investments/loans. After researching it, I'd have to say there is much merit to that claim.

I noticed this video while searching around about the 'glass-steagall' and CRA.
Got caught youtubing and stumbled upon it. Alot of the info does check out.
First 2/3rds of the video appear informative... the last 1/3 is sort of a political waste.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 02:37 PM
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4. Let me help you out
here and here.

Your link doesn't work, but I suspect whatever was there was inaccurate.

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