So - I Wake Up This Morning To Chuckie T. Telling

[chitty]

me that Obama is not doing well in

Ohio
Michigan
New Hampshire
Wisconsin
Pa.

What shit are we spinnin' today Chuckie?

It's those "older white voters" again, huh.

They really don't want Barack to win do they.

[mcctatas]

1. Since when?!

[chitty]

3. He had his Magic Map out on MSNBC

Just now.

[WeDidIt]

2. GE is forcing him to do this shit

They need McCain in to keep the wars coming as their profit margins depend upon war.

[ShortnFiery]

5. No, Chucky T is ONE willing butt-boy for the Corporate suits upstairs. eom

[VolcanoJen]

17. Chuck Todd wants Tim Russert's job.

And he's auditioning.

Hence the Invisaligns on his teeth, too. ;-)

[ShortnFiery]

26. Oh yeah, he's pasty white ... he's male ... he's Russert's prodigy.

:eyes:

[DainBramaged]

4. EXACT same thing here, I won't turn on Morning Schmo

and Chuckie is spinning the Iron belt for McLame? But Obama is winning in VA, NC and FLA? Chuckie is full of shit.

[Hepburn]

14. Morning Schmo....

...LMBO...:rofl:

Best nick I have heard for that POS! :hi:

[DainBramaged]

33. My mother has a name for people like him (She's 92)

rat faced bastard.

[CTyankee]

6. No, he said that all the states that are toss ups but went Repub in 04

was a good thing for Obama. He's pretty much got Obama winning this thing, at least in the segment I saw him in.

[chitty]

9. Not what I saw.

He was spinning "older white voters" not coming home.

His exact words.

[OKNancy]

19. doesn't "coming home" mean to the Republican party?

[chitty]

21. He was talking about Dems

[CTyankee]

20. I didn't hear that in the segment I was watching (but then I was also multitasking).

The segment I was watching was around 8:15 or maybe a bit later...

[ErinBerin84]

7. I could see him say maybe that PA is getting "closer"

(though I do think that Obama will still win PA), but Michigan? Wasn't the NBC poll the ONLY Michigan poll lately that didn't have Michigan up for Obama by a pretty good margin? Chucky T is on crack. What else did he say? I hadn't heard his post-debate "analysis" yet, which I'm probably thankful for.

[K Gardner]

8. That's strange.. what I heard/saw was Todd showing an easy win for Obama on the

"new map". No matter how he and Scarbrough manipulated the map, Obama won.

I guess sometimes we see/hear what we want, LOL ! I tend to tune out the 'bad stuff'.

[chitty]

11. It is true he said the map was changing, but

he also made mention of the states I posted and the "older white voters comment.

[ErinBerin84]

13. interesting.

I'm always interested to hear what is said on Morning Joe, even though I can't bear myself to watch any more than 5 minutes these days. Did he say anything about the debate?

[K Gardner]

15. I didn't hear him comment about the debate.. after an initial round of compliments for

Obama early this a.m., they turned back to "tie, ergo Obama missed an opportunity" b/s, so I tuned it out. :-)

[chitty]

23. He was also talking about Obama

going to Colorado today.

[chitty]

18. This wasn't on Morning Joe

It was on whatever talking head is on MSNBC right now.

[stanwyck]

32. I heard what you did. Very good news for Obama

as McCain states transition into battleground states. And the electoral map heavily favors Obama. Which is why Scarborough and Barnacle mentioned the "uphill battle" McCain is facing.

[mucifer]

10. But, WE can spin this our way and say we gotta get out registering voters

and canvassing for the dems. If we say it's close the motivation can be greater to do more work.

[Cosmic Charlie]

12. Chuckie Cheese, laying it on thick again

He must cry a little every morning when he wakes up and realizes who his Party's candidates are.

[VolcanoJen]

16. Yep. I woke up to Chris Matthews on Morning Joe telling me McCain won that debate....

... and that the rest of us are crazy.

:shrug:

Don't ya love it when they think we're stupid? I feel like a Palin voter, circa August 30 now. ;-)

[yellowcanine]

25. Chris Matthews is notoriously clueless when it comes to debate performances.

I remember him trying to sell the notion that Quayle did well in his debate with Bentson ("you're no Jack Kennedy.") in 1988. He was about the only person who thought so.

[Mabus]

27. When "Mr. Foreign Policy" can't say Ahmadinejad without bumbling it

I think they should've taken a few points off. ;)

[Jennicut]

22. Everyone, face it, MSNBC is trying to get more viewers and are trying to be more "balanced"

but they are alienating their left to center viewers, us! Watch CNN for the real news, Surprsingly John King had a show this weekend about the debate and overall the pundits said Obama won on every single area of the debate. There is no way Obama is up by 8-9 points in some polls and struggling in Wisconsin (!). Its close in Ohio, NH, and maybe Michigan. I think PA is 3 to 5 points. This is pure spin.

[JaneQPublic]

24. Did he mention that McCain isn't doing well in a few states he should have clinched?

Check out RealClearPolitics state-by-state polls:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/#data

McCain is less than 2 points ahead in Florida, Ohio, and Nevada.

At the same time, Obama is about that much ahead in New Hampshire, Virginia, and North Carolina. Did Chuck happen to mention that?

Also now in the "toss-up" category is Indiana and Missouri!!! That sounds like a bigger story than the ones Chuck mentioned on TV.

So, it sounds as though Chuck was very selectively cherry-picking the facts to spin the tale he wanted to tell.

[No Elephants]

28. LOL, the good news is that MSNBC is panicking!

[stanwyck]

29. Not what I heard

He had Obama gaining in what had been McCain states like Michigan and PA. He actually had very good news for Obama in that what had been McCain states were now battleground states - NC, included.
However, Matthews came back with his continual assertion that the Hillary-blue ocllar voters in those states would NOT vote for Obama.

[chitty]

34. This was posted in another thread

Thanks to the poster!

From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Carrie Dann
*** A shift towards Obama: As the slew of recent national and state polls suggest, our new map reflects a shift in Obama's direction. Four new states have been added to our Toss-up category: three red states (Florida, Indiana, and North Carolina) and one blue state (Pennsylvania). This gives Obama a 212-174 edge, after his more narrow 233-227 lead last week. What's interesting about these shifts is that while Obama is showing an improvement in fast-growing states (CO, FL, NV, NC, VA), he can't seem to put away the Northern tier states of slow-growing states (MI, PA, WI) or make progress in what some believe is still the all-important state of OH. BTW, how is it that, nationally, Obama's numbers are going up but he's struggling in big states like MI, PA and OH? Is this about Obama's inability to make the sale with older white voters? If he can change the electorates in these Southern and Western states, he can afford to lose two of those three industrial states, but it puts more pressure on him to win two of the following three: FL, NC and VA.

Likely Obama: CA, CT, DE, DC, HI, IL, ME, MD, MA, NY, RI, VT (157 electoral votes)
Lean Obama: IA, MN, NJ, NM OR, WA (55 votes)
Toss-up: CO, FL, IN, MI, NV, NH, NC, OH, PA, VA, WI (152 votes)
Lean McCain: MO, MT (14 votes)
Likely McCain: AL, AK, AZ, AR, GA, ID, KS, KY, LA, MS, NE, ND, OK, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, WV, WY (160 votes)

*** Hoosier toss-up: The most surprising move in our map is Indiana, a state that no one believed was a new battleground -- even when Obama's team was first laying out its 25-30 state strategy. Indiana, in fact, is probably the surprise of the cycle. It's a state that probably is somewhere BETWEEN Lean McCain and Toss-up, but because the state's poll numbers look more like a Toss-up state than a Lean McCain state, we're tipping it into the Toss-up category for now, especially since the RNC has decided to ad the state to its TV buy list.

<SNIP>

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/29/14628...

[stanwyck]

38. Thanks, Chitty!

I appreciate your efforts here.

[secondwind]

30. to me, it sounded as if "the South is rising" in favor of Obama (my quote), and the

northeast is leaning McCain....but am willing to assume that those Leaning McCain will turn to Obama , at least most of them, while Obama MAY just pick off a state or two from the South!


LANDSLIDE!

[chitty]

35. I agree he said the map was shifting, but

when did he start dropping in Pa. Wi. Mi. Nh. Oh.

[secondwind]

31. to me, it sounded as if "the South is rising" in favor of Obama (my quote), and the

northeast is leaning McCain....but am willing to assume that those Leaning McCain will turn to Obama , at least most of them, while Obama MAY just pick off a state or two from the South!


LANDSLIDE!

[shaniqua6392]

36. Obama is kicking McCain's butt here in Michigan.

Chuckie is full of crap.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

[chitty]

37. That's what I thought

[Abacus]

39. NH and OH are close, but Obama has 7 point margins in PA and MI and 6 points in WI

Good enough for me.