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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 11:48 AM
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Taking Obama's words "I agree" and he's "right" out of context is slippery and dishonest
Edited on Sat Sep-27-08 11:49 AM by bigtree

The folks who using this to criticize Obama are highlighting petty little areas where Obama certainly should have replied in the affirmative. We shouldn't buy into the tactic of ignoring the parts of his answers where Obama immediately outlines his where he disagrees with McCain. Some examples:


-- Senator McCain and I, I think agree on the importance of energy. But Senator McCain mentioned earlier the importance of looking at a record . . . Over 26 years, Senator McCain voted 23 times against alternative energy, like solar, and wind, and biodiesel . . . And so we've got to walk the walk and not just talk the talk when it comes to energy.

-- I think Senator McCain and I agree for the most part on these issues (Russia and Georgia) Obviously, I disagree with this notion that somehow we did not forcefully object to Russians going into Georgia.

-- And I have to say, Senator McCain and I, I think agree on the importance of energy, but Senator McCain mentioned earlier the importance of looking at a record . . . Over 26 years, Senator McCain voted 23 times against alternative energy, like solar, and wind, and biodiesel . . . And so we've got to walk the walk and not just talk the talk when it comes to energy independence.

-- Well, I think Senator McCain's absolutely right that we need more responsibility, but we need it not just when there's a crisis.

-- Well, Senator McCain is absolutely right that the earmarks process has been abused . . . But let's be clear: Earmarks account for $18 billion in last year's budget. Senator McCain is proposing -- and this is a fundamental difference between us -- $300 billion in tax cuts to some of the wealthiest corporations and individuals in the country, $300 billion.

-- John mentioned the fact that business taxes on paper are high in this country, and he's absolutely right. Here's the problem: There are so many loopholes that have been written into the tax code, oftentimes with support of Senator McCain, that we actually see our businesses pay effectively one of the lowest tax rates in the world.

-- Senator McCain is absolutely right that the violence has been reduced as a consequence of the extraordinary sacrifice of our troops and our military families . . . But understand, that was a tactic designed to contain the damage of the previous four years of mismanagement of this war . . . And so John, you like to pretend like the war started in 2007.

-- John, you're absolutely right that presidents have to be prudent in what they say. But, you know, coming from you, who, you know, in the past has threatened extinction for North Korea and, you know, sung songs about bombing Iran, I don't know, you know, how credible that is.

-- Senator McCain is absolutely right, we cannot tolerate a nuclear Iran. I do not agree with Senator McCain that we're going to be able to execute the kind of sanctions we need without some cooperation with some countries like Russia and China


I hope we don't fall into the trap that disruptors of our campaign are setting for us in criticizing Obama for this handful of insignificant points of agreement in the debate where he merely spoke reasonable truths to McCain's horseshit. How about we stick to highlighting what our candidate actually said in opposition to McCain? To pretend that Obama gave up any significant ground to McCain over these areas of 'agreement' just doesn't square with the facts.

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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 12:01 PM
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1. He was excellent at differentiating and qualifying his statements
Round 1 with Ali.

Can't wait until the end of the fight.

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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 12:06 PM
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2. Thank you for this nice compilation!
k&r
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 12:09 PM
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3. Obama is brilliant..diplomatic and tactical..respectfully disagrees..proves himself to be a stateman
and a diplomat... and like Ali..floats like a butterfly, stings like a bee...
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 12:11 PM
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5. He was the president last night, and I think alot of people noticed.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 12:11 PM
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4. That ad won't do anything for the people who actually watched the debate
I expect it will backfire as they continue to think people are idiots
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 12:19 PM
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6. K/R.
:kick:
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 12:49 PM
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7. those people not already in the choir mostly heard :"john is right"...
because that's what they heard him say over and over and over...
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 01:34 PM
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8. Saying "I Agree, BUT..."
is one of the most powerful debating tactics you can use -- if it's followed up with a point showing that the point is irrelevant. Bill Buckley was a master at this -- conceding enormous amount of ground and yet winning on the fundamental point under debate.

I think Obama did that in some cases, but not always and not as clearly as he should. In the next debates, I think he should emphasize "but" and pause before proceeding. It's a small change, but it can make a powerful difference.
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 01:58 PM
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15. It does take away from the point
or the compliment made.

I remember this from a training I attended...The difference when replacing "but" with "and".

"I like the reports you put together but I need you to come in earlier."
Discounts the first part, emphasizes the last and makes the receiver resistant or defensive.

"I like the reports you put together and I need you to come in earlier."
Equal emphasis, equal importance and equal acceptance by the receiver.

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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 01:37 PM
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9. Republican campaign strategy = slime...
they have no respect for people and assume that everyone is as dumb and ignorant as the people at that freeper site. Their base is a group of inbred bigoted nut jobs. Independent voters are not dumb enough to be swayed by that garbage. He cannot put out an ad that shows his position on anything because he doesn't have a position.
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 01:46 PM
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10. Nicely put together Bigtree.
Thanks. You are right that it is slippery and dishonest.

Not only that, the implication is that there is something wrong with agreeing with an opponent.

Not only is it honorable and shows good sportsmanship, it lends credibility to the disagreement that follows.
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FatherTime1408 Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 01:48 PM
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11. Excellent, thanks! Obama was just being respectful.
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crazy_vanilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 01:54 PM
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12. but we knew they would do it, they don't care about context
and their simple-minded supporters just gobble it all up
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 01:55 PM
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13. But that's the RNC way -- slimy and amoral.
Country Club First !!
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 01:56 PM
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14. It's dishonest, which is why McCain is doing it.
The GOP cannot "win" without lying, cheating, and vote stealing.
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 02:09 PM
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16. On rereading, it also goes to the core of Obama's ability
to find the middle ground. By first identifying where there is agreement and working together from there.

During the primaries he gave a great response to an abortion question (at a townhall meeting), along those lines.

It is why he often says we are all basically the same and want the same things.

Obama naturally thinks way and that makes it harder for him to quickly view someone as an enemy because of different views.
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crazy_vanilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 02:11 PM
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17. you are so right, McTurd is a dishonest steaming pile of ...
:hurts:
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 02:18 PM
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18. BigTree does it again!
Great post - Barack looked and acted very Presidential last night. Its crunch time. We're down to the few remaining independents and most of them hate all the political nastiness. The differences between McCain and Barack couldn't have been more clear. Obama stood there, tall, calm, engaged, and speaking forcefully. McCain was tied in knots and at times downright nasty. Barack closed the deal for many crucial voters last night - he was magnificent.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 02:26 PM
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19. Time for SNL's McCain "I approved this message" skit!!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 04:00 PM
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20. heh
nice
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 04:02 PM
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21. exactly right
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 06:15 PM
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22. Ha! Media Matters gives their own rundown
Edited on Sat Sep-27-08 06:17 PM by bigtree
Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:48pm ET


Norah O'Donnell aired cropped "John is right" clips, but in nearly all instances, Obama was criticizing McCain

Summary: On MSNBC, Norah O'Donnell aired a montage of what she described as "the multiple times that Barack Obama said 'John is right' " during the first presidential debate. Following the montage, O'Donnell commented, "I thought this was a debate." In fact, in nearly all instances, Obama was actually criticizing McCain after first noting a point of agreement on the topic Obama was discussing.

During the September 27 edition of MSNBC Live, NBC chief Washington correspondent Norah O'Donnell aired a montage of what she described as "the multiple times that Barack Obama said 'John is right' " during the first presidential debate. Following the montage -- which echoed a misleading McCain ad -- O'Donnell commented, "I thought this was a debate." In fact, in nearly all instances, Obama was actually criticizing McCain after first noting a point of agreement on the topic Obama was discussing.

read more: http://mediamatters.org/items/200809270010
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 06:19 PM
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23. People who criticize Obama for saying "I agree" to McCain weren't paying attention.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:12 PM
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24. Nice compilation. n/t
k&r

:dem:

-Laelth
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:14 PM
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25. Thanks, Bigtree.. well done. Don't look for fairness from the media.
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