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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:45 AM
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McCain: Did he say "horses**t"???

McCain: Did he say "horses**t"???

Did McCain curse at Obama during the debate? Sure sounds like it. At the 4:30 mark of the video below, when Obama brings up McCain's refusal to meet with the Prime Minister of Spain, it sounds like McCain says "horseshit." Twice. Which may be a first in presidential debates.

You can add it to a generally surly demeanor and refusal to look Obama in the eye if this debate ends up hurting McCain. Listen:

(MSNBC Video)


CNN transcript:

MCCAIN: Senator Obama twice said in debates he would sit down with Ahmadinejad, Chavez and Raul Castro without precondition. Without precondition. Here is Ahmadinenene , Ahmadinejad, who is, Ahmadinejad, who is now in New York, talking about the extermination of the State of Israel, of wiping Israel off the map, and we're going to sit down, without precondition, across the table, to legitimize and give a propaganda platform to a person that is espousing the extermination of the state of Israel, and therefore then giving them more credence in the world arena and therefore saying, they've probably been doing the right thing, because you will sit down across the table from them and that will legitimize their illegal behavior.

The point is that throughout history, whether it be Ronald Reagan, who wouldn't sit down with Brezhnev, Andropov or Chernenko until Gorbachev was ready with glasnost and perestroika.

Or whether it be Nixon's trip to China, which was preceded by Henry Kissinger, many times before he went. Look, I'll sit down with anybody, but there's got to be pre-conditions. Those pre-conditions would apply that we wouldn't legitimize with a face to face meeting, a person like Ahmadinejad. Now, Senator Obama said, without preconditions.

OBAMA: So let's talk about this. First of all, Ahmadinejad is not the most powerful person in Iran. So he may not be the right person to talk to. But I reserve the right, as president of the United States to meet with anybody at a time and place of my choosing if I think it's going to keep America safe.

And I'm glad that Senator McCain brought up the history, the bipartisan history of us engaging in direct diplomacy.

Senator McCain mentioned Henry Kissinger, who's one of his advisers, who, along with five recent secretaries of state, just said that we should meet with Iran -- guess what -- without precondition. This is one of your own advisers.

Now, understand what this means "without preconditions." It doesn't mean that you invite them over for tea one day. What it means is that we don't do what we've been doing, which is to say, "Until you agree to do exactly what we say, we won't have direct contacts with you."

There's a difference between preconditions and preparation. Of course we've got to do preparations, starting with low-level diplomatic talks, and it may not work, because Iran is a rogue regime.

But I will point out that I was called naive when I suggested that we need to look at exploring contacts with Iran. And you know what? President Bush recently sent a senior ambassador, Bill Burns, to participate in talks with the Europeans around the issue of nuclear weapons.

Again, it may not work, but if it doesn't work, then we have strengthened our ability to form alliances to impose the tough sanctions that Senator McCain just mentioned.

And when we haven't done it, as in North Korea -- let me just take one more example -- in North Korea, we cut off talks. They're a member of the axis of evil. We can't deal with them.

And you know what happened? They went -- they quadrupled their nuclear capacity. They tested a nuke. They tested missiles. They pulled out of the nonproliferation agreement. And they sent nuclear secrets, potentially, to countries like Syria.

When we re-engaged -- because, again, the Bush administration reversed course on this -- then we have at least made some progress, although right now, because of the problems in North Korea, we are seeing it on shaky ground.

And -- and I just -- so I just have to make this general point that the Bush administration, some of Senator McCain's own advisers all think this is important, and Senator McCain appears resistant.

He even said the other day that he would not meet potentially with the prime minister of Spain, because he -- you know, he wasn't sure whether they were aligned with us. I mean, Spain? Spain is a NATO ally.

MCCAIN: Of course.

OBAMA: If we can't meet with our friends, I don't know how we're going to lead the world in terms of dealing with critical issues like terrorism.

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If McCain said "Of course," I'll eat crow. The "H" sound is discernible


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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:49 AM
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1. He said horseshit. You're quite the statesman you c#nt...
Edited on Sat Sep-27-08 10:49 AM by ChimpersMcSmirkers
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:51 AM
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2. Impossible to say
I thought he said sh*t at the time, but he could have easily said "of course not."

IMO, we should stick to legitimate attacks against McCain and avoid this stuff. He has many abhorrent things in his record that weren't discussed at last night's debate, and those should be the focus.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:54 AM
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4. This goes to McCain's temperament
Edited on Sat Sep-27-08 10:54 AM by ProSense
Is that suddenly not an issue?

A lot of undecided voters people polled after the debate though he was condescending and acting like a jerk.



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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:53 AM
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3. Sorry, I watched the MSNBC vid from the side and it's "of course"
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:54 AM
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5. He doesn't have a problem saying s's. He doesn't say "Of coursh"--
ridiculous. He said horseshit, which is perfectly normal for him, since he curses at people even on the Senate floor.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:54 AM
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6. He clearly said horseshit... I rolled it back twice... no question.
I hope more people (media) pick up on this open demonstration of volatility.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:55 AM
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7. Did he say "horses**t"???... i heard course not.
Edited on Sat Sep-27-08 10:57 AM by seabeyond
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:59 AM
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11. Why would McCain say "of course" to two points Obama is making against him?
Edited on Sat Sep-27-08 11:01 AM by ProSense
Here is what Obama is saying as McCain repeats the phrase:

OBAMA: If we can't meet with our friends, I don't know how we're going to lead the world in terms of dealing with critical issues like terrorism.


McCain: Of course?

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 11:02 AM
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13. my mistake. sorry. course not. i really didnt hear horseshit. i was watching lips
i just didnt.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 11:07 AM
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15. The transcript say "Of course."
Are you saying he said "my mistake. sorry. course not"?

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 11:24 AM
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20. went back and found video and listened again. i heard... of course, of course not. n/t
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:55 AM
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8. EDIT AFTER: I didn't watch the video. But, I recall the moment last night, and honestly
Edited on Sat Sep-27-08 11:08 AM by rateyes
I thought I heard "of course not."

On edit: I watched the video, and it was OBAMA who said the "of course not" that I remember. McCain does sound like he says "horseshit" once before Obama said, "Spain is an ally," and once immediately afterwards. "Of course" would not fit in at all with the first instance. It would work in the second, as if to say "Of course Spain is an ally," but it doesn't sound like what he said. I think he was repeating himself the second time.

Sounds like "horseshit" to me. (Just like everything else McCain says.)
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:57 AM
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9. He said IT..I'm convinced!
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:58 AM
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10. I listened to this last night
Edited on Sat Sep-27-08 10:58 AM by JFN1
And clearly heard him saying 'horseshit'. Today...McCain's voice on the clip is much clearer than it was when I listened to it last night, and now it sounds a lot more like 'of course' than 'horseshit'.

Did someone play with the clip to give John a break...?
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:59 AM
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12. Sure could have been horsesh!t in my book.
It wouldn't be beneath McSame to use that type of language.
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cags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 11:04 AM
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14. It was "Horseshit, course not" He said both LOL
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 11:08 AM
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16. Yes... Huffpo has the clip, just heard it myself
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 11:13 AM
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17. I heard horseshit too
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 11:14 AM
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18. LOL- politicalwire.com has it! ... It's going viral....
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 11:18 AM
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19. We know Johnny is a callous cad already.
So I don't get what's the big deal. Perhaps that some prissy folks who think he's a 100% honorable man will be shocked?

I think the immoral RNC converts would just say that golly, he's a Navy guy, they use colorful language.

And hey, not that messy bullshit, mind you, but horse shit. Equestrian, don't you know.

Country Club First!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 11:57 AM
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21. A lot of things are no big deal to a lot of people, and
we talk about them anyway.

Everyone is always saying this person or that person "looks presidential," but I doubt a lot of people view mumbling "horseshit" in a Presidential debate looks presidential. It probably looks worse on McCain, who spent most of the debate trying to belittle Obama and lying to claim the high road.



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TexasLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 12:09 PM
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22. This arrogant man is going to AGREE with Obama and say 'of course'?
or course not, whatever? When the hell would he EVER say something like that to Obama or anyone that would bring out his faults?

Horseshit is in line with his personality, not of course or course not.
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