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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 09:08 AM
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"McCain's bracelet jab let Obama land the knockout punch"
http://www.docudharma.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=9353

But first, here is some background. McCain has been using the bracelet anecdote on the campaign trail repeatedly. Back in March, ABC News wrote about McCain and the bracelet.

Toward the end of almost every speech he gives or informal remarks he delivers at a town hall-style meeting, Sen. John McCain tells the same story.

If you watch him carefully, you can even tell when it's coming.

The Arizona senator will shoot his right arm forward in his suit sleeve, revealing a dark metallic band low on his wrist. It's probably an unconscious gesture. He doesn't hold up the bracelet. He doesn't look at it. But very soon he will tell the story. He has told it hundreds of times.

...

Here's McCain in the debate:

And this was August, a year ago. And then she said, "But, Senator McCain, I want you to do everything -- promise me one thing, that you'll do everything in your power to make sure that my son's death was not in vain."


Here, McCain has precisely laid out why his thinking on Iraq is flawed and how he continues to pick at America's old wounds from the Vietnam war to score political points. McCain believes there is too much invested in Iraq and therefore the United States must stay in Iraq.

McCain's Vietnam loss aversion causes him to commit a sunk cost fallacy. So even though the case for war that was originally made has long since been disproven, for McCain the U.S. must continue on with the mistake. McCain is a gambler, so when he's losing it's double or nothing. He raises the stakes and digs himself, and the country, in deeper.

There is no surprise that Obama and his team were prepared for McCain's bracelet story, but what Obama was able to do with this opening must be commended. In the debate, Obama responded:

Jim, let me just make a point. I've got a bracelet, too, from Sergeant - from the mother of Sergeant Ryan David Jopeck, given to me in Green Bay. She asked me, can you please make sure another mother is not going through what I'm going through.

Not only did Obama defuse McCain's bracelet story with a bracelet of his own given to him by the mother of a fallen solider, but unlike McCain, Obama has not used it repeatedly on the campaign trail to prop himself up. McCain has diluted his bracelet story with constant retelling, while Obama caught McCain by surprise, I think, with a bracelet story of his own.

But even more so, Obama devastated McCain's faulting sunk cost thinking. Using McCain's "flawgic" if and when a soldier dies in a war that should not have been started in the first place, more and more soldiers must be sacrificed to the mistake to, somehow, make it not a mistake. Once troops have been committed to a mistake it is too late to pull back and make adjustments. This is akin to George W. Bush perpetually saying 'We must stay the course in Iraq' between 2003-2006.

From the debate, here is how Obama continued after saying he too had a bracelet:

No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they're carrying out the missions of their commander in chief. And we honor all the service that they've provided. Our troops have performed brilliantly. The question is for the next president, are we making good judgments about how to keep America safe precisely because sending our military into battle is such an enormous step.

Bam! Obama lays a powerful left hook across McCain's nose. Obama's response here is a thing of beauty. "No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they're carrying out the missions of their commander in chief," Obama said. He squarely places the responsibility on Bush for every solider who has died in the wars Bush has waged as president.


http://www.docudharma.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=9353
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 09:10 AM
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1. That was a great response from Obama. Very sharp.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 09:11 AM
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2. K & R!
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ogneopasno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 09:12 AM
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3. See, I thought the dueling bracelets were cheesy.
But a lot of people think Obama's bracelet won the day.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 09:15 AM
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5. It was cheesy that McCain exploits every story he has.....
But Obama supporters have only read about the Bracelet story...because Obama doesn't hawk his bracelet.....and he's been wearing it since February.
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CarbonDate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:34 AM
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15. A friend of mine knew Sgt Jopeck....
...and her husband served with him in Iraq.

They were floored when Sen. Obama mentioned him by name in the speech in Dallas following his primary victory in Wisconsin.
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GreenEyedLefty Donating Member (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 09:15 AM
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6. I agree, very cheesy, but it diluted McCain's Koolaid. Boo hoo.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 09:15 AM
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7. It's too bad the topic even had to come up. But Obama was forced
to bring it up due to McShame's continuous exploiting of the troops.
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:45 AM
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17. He did right by NOT bringing it up until then.
He beat McCain at his own game.

See, Sarah Palin can pretend to be the Anti-Cindy Sheehan -- "See, I'm a soldier's mom, and I want us to keep fighting". And I am willing to bet money that part of the reason she was chosen is that she had a son who enlisted.

The exchange was pretty much this:

McCain -- "You don't say *ALOUD* that you will bomb Pakistan, it makes us look bad!"
Obama -- "No, what you don't do is sing that you will bomb bomb Iran, how does that make us look? I'm honest and I stand by what I said."
McCain -- "But I'm experienced and patriotic! See, the dead soldiers support me!"
Obama -- "Uh, some support me too, and I'm not blaming them for your mistakes."

Obama defended what he said, and owned it, and said he'd say it again.

McCain had to hide behind the name of a dead soldier.

So sad.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 09:13 AM
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4. That's is why this debate wasn't even close to a tie.....
and those who think that, need to go and rewatch the debate.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:22 AM
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8. Great post

This exchange should be out there in MSM.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:33 AM
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9. my husband and I couldn't stop laughing
McCain was so damn smug about his bracelet. Obama wiped the smile off McCain's face real fast.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 02:32 PM
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10. McCain has a very weird, archaic notion of "honor"
He seems to think that losing a war -- or even just retreating from an untenable position -- dishonors everyone involved. That sort of thinking may have been common a few thousand years ago, which is why Egyptian pharaohs would tread their defeated enemies underfoot and Roman generals would fall on their swords rather than accept defeat, but it leads to really nasty and counter-productive behavior.

The alternative is to acknowledge that honor is based on doing your job to the best of your ability and not on winning or losing. Once you arrive at that position, you can see all sides to a conflict as honorable -- and peace can ultimately be made among mutually respectful antagonists rather than by triumphant victors imposing terms on humiliated losers.

It's being suggested today that McCain couldn't look directly at Obama because he sees him as a despised enemy and not as an honorable opponent, and that seems likely to be true. McCain has far too much of his ego bound up in simply not losing, and it doesn't serve him well.

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codjh9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 02:59 PM
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11. He kept trying to come up with personal shit rather than talking at length about big
issues... and even though Obama bested him with 'I've got a bracelet too', I felt like that whole segment was junior-high-ish.
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dickthegrouch Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 11:05 PM
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12. And McPalin knew he'd lost that one
Watch his body language as Obama delivered the story, you can see the 'Oh ****' expression and the final realization he's used that one once too many times.
As so often his only response at the end was "Sen Obama doesn't understand" which became so weak by the end of the whole thing that I began to wonder if McPalin had even listened.

I hope the next debate gets McPalin really rattled and we get shown his instability.
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joop Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 11:28 PM
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13. the wingnuts on the board I have to mod
were shocked and appalled at Obama's bracelet. I thought he was classic, calling out McStain on a tired narrative by bringing out that not all soldiers' moms are honored or feel a need for more fighting when their kids die in combat!

The war has got to end and Barack socked that point through beautifully.
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:17 AM
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14. Upon reflection, I think this exchange was one of Obama's biggest wins of the night. (eom)
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bobd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:44 AM
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16. McInsane is, in many scary neurotic and pathological ways, still fighting the Vietnam War
It's the same bullshit excuse they used in Vietnam.

But even more so, Obama devastated McCain's faulting sunk cost thinking. Using McCain's "flawgic" if and when a soldier dies in a war that should not have been started in the first place, more and more soldiers must be sacrificed to the mistake to, somehow, make it not a mistake. Once troops have been committed to a mistake it is too late to pull back and make adjustments. This is akin to George W. Bush perpetually saying 'We must stay the course in Iraq' between 2003-2006.


I never thought I'd see a second Vietnam in one lifetime.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 04:53 AM
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18. Obama really zinged McSHAME on that one
he went down in flames!
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