Kansas City Star: John McCain wins the first presidential debate

[Carrieyazel]

The MSM hits on Obama are starting. They're spinning it as we speak. And this is a writer who generally writes favorably about Obama.


http://voices.kansascity.com/node/2199

[GarbagemanLB]

1. Holy shit. Everyone else in the MSM says it was a tie or Obama won....but hold the presses!

The Kansas City Star has weighed in.

[Pirate Smile]

2. Well, they are a minority and I'm not saying that because of wishful thinking.

[oldtime dfl_er]

3. Pretty interesting comments though

a lot of them much more interesting than the actual piece.

[rucky]

4. This is all about the expectations going in...

the McCain cheerleaders are calling it for Obama.

I think the truth is, the debate was fairly tame and their guy didn't score any knockouts, so there's a tendency to call it for the other guy.

[FrenchieCat]

5. But, but, but....you don't like Barack Obama.....

so why are you "warning" us? :shrug:

McCain couldn't bear to look at him either.

[writes3000]

7. LMAO, you said all that needs to be said on this one. nt

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

6. What's wrong with Kansas?

Okay I know KC is nostly in Missouri but hey the KC Star was a propaganda tool for Jessie James.

[tridim]

8. Circulation must be down in Johnson County.

Sell those papers!

[Cosmic Charlie]

9. you've never liked Obama, why start now?

[Cha]

11. How did you know?

Were you around for the primaries?

[Cosmic Charlie]

23. lack of support is easy to suss out if you read enough posts

[Cha]

31. Well, you're

right.

[workinclasszero]

10. Kansas City Star does not like Obama for some reason

It has the rep as a lib paper but in Obama's case, they just don't like him.

I'm sure the color of his skin has nothing to do with it.

[proud2BlibKansan]

24. I disagree

The Star has taken a turn to the right. But they like Obama better than they liked Kerry.

[nsd]

12. Another bullshit post.

The CBS and CNN polls give Obama a victory, as do the Frank Luntz and Stan Greenberg focus groups. As do most of the pundits, including Halperin, Gergen, Klein, and Dick Morris(!).

Finding some lame-ass newspaper to criticize Obama is stupid. But I'm not surprised you posted this.

[Binka]

13. Oh My! From You No Less. Yawn.

[blondeatlast]

14. HELL FREEZES OVER! Film at 11! Carrieyazel posts a negative about Barack Obama!

Fucking transparent as air, you are.

:eyes:

[HughMoran]

15. You're from friggin' Virginia

What made you hunt and find one person who said McCain won.

Guess what? 1 in 4 said McCain won - get used to it!

[Captiosus]

20. LOL, good point. Best not show this VIRGINIA newspaper poll...

http://hamptonroads.com/polls/who-won-first-presidential-debate-friday-night

At time of typing:
Sen. John McCain 35%
Sen. Barack Obama 65%

[HughMoran]

25. I added my vote :D

Who won the first presidential debate Friday night?

Sen. John McCain

35% (208 votes)
Sen. Barack Obama

65% (381 votes)
Total votes: 589

[Monk06]

16. Forget it Jake. It's Kansas City.

[proud2BlibKansan]

27. Kansas City is VERY progressive

always has been a Dem stronghold.

[Monk06]

41. It's a quote from China Town. Don't be such a flat foot.

[proud2BlibKansan]

42. You could have cited the movie in your original post

[coalition_unwilling]

49. KC Star was the last major employee-owned

paper, until it was purchased by Cap Cities in the mid-70s. The paper has gone downhill ever since.

While KCMO and KCKS are liberal, the Star's circulation area includes Johnson County, KS (very RW),

[proud2BlibKansan]

50. I live in Johnson County

It's not as right wing as you think.

[coalition_unwilling]

52. I last lived in KC in 1986. The last big

political fight I was involved with there was the fight against Sailors on the CC Plaza. (We lost.) So my knowledge is 20 years old.

[Larry in KC]

51. Don't you think Barack was here during the convention for a reason?

Missouri is very, very winnable, and Kansas City and St. Louis are of course where the Obama margin will come from.

TRUE FACT: a few days ago, I was running errands through a few miles from my home in south Kansas City, through the area of the big college here (University of MO/KC), all quite middle-class neighborhoods, briefly into wealthy Johnson County, Kansas, and back home, keeping track as I went.

The count of yard signs:

Obama 97
McCain 2

Those numbers seem pretty statistically significant to me.

I guess I could have veered a couple of blocks to get Obama over a hundred, but I wanted it to be an unbiased poll of the places my errands took me.

[proud2BlibKansan]

53. Very true

I think Obama has a great chance to win Johnson County.

[Teaser]

17. You really looked long and hard for this one, huh?

.

[blondeatlast]

28. Ll z wy 2 z txt msg on hr mbl, thxbai. nt

[Obamarulz11]

18. Look at the comments

That media source pissed off a lot of readers.

[Tigress DEM]

19. YAh but.. check this out!!

If by "won" you mean lied more times, then yes he won.
Submitted by banquo on September 26, 2008 - 11:18pm.

I counted 4 outright lies and 6 "bend the truth's" from McCain and 1 Lie and 2 bends from Obama....

But that's just me,..one guy with an internet connection looking this stuff up and I'll admit I'm biased, I think McCain is a douchenozzle....


**************
LUV THAT GUY!!

HEY BANQUO, DO YOU DU?

[Miss Chybil]

29. Douchenozzle?

:rofl:

[Tigress DEM]

32. I KNOW, doesn't he sound like a perfect DUer? What flair!

[krkaufman]

46. dibs on the new username!!! n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. Oh Yael

I thought you were smarter than that.

Time for another critical email.

[BeyondGeography]

22. Oh noes!1!1!!!!111!1 It all started with the Kansas City Star

:scared:

[ecstatic]

26. wtf? nt

[southern_dem]

30. Mr. Abouhalkah, find a new line of work n/t

[snowbear]

33. That;s just some A-holes opinions... let it die and go with the ACTUAL POLLS

The loser at the editorial board in Kansas City's opinion doesn't mean shit.

Sorryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy..

[jeanpalmer]

34. He's just reflecting his readership

Kansas is 2 to 1 for McCain in the polls. They do have to pander a bit.

[proud2BlibKansan]

43. The paper is in Kansas CIty MISSOURI

And MO is not 2 to 1 for McCain.

[book_worm]

35. funny most in msm give it to Obama and so do the early polls.

[WA98296]

36. What? They are all excited about McCain ending ethanol subsidies? Right.

[chalky]

39. Nah. It was cutting the $3M for bear DNA studies that got 'em.

[bkcc]

37. Even the polls on Fox News say Obama won.

It is what it is. After all, this is a state that wanted to ban the teaching of evolution in schools.

[SheilaT]

38. The Kansas City Star is NOT a liberal or

progressive newspaper.

And Yael Abouhalkah has drifted slowly, but implacably right over the years. I don't think he's an actual right-winger at this point, but I think he's lost touch with whatever liberal/progressive tendencies he might have formerly had.

It will be more interesting to see what Steve Kraske, their political correspondent says. Although Steve is quite the master of conventional thinking.

[Bluebear]

40. And almost every comment to this editorial disagrees

[GrizzlyMan]

44. Yep. Obama lost.

Because one right leaning newspaper said so. We might as well piss on the fire and call in the dogs. It's O-VAH.

WE'RE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED.

:scared::sarcasm::scared:

[krkaufman]

47. Not even a newspaper, necessarily. It's a blog post. n/t

[smoochpooch]

45. A few things; it is a 4 sentence statement that was posted about 10 minutes after the debate ended.

It isn't a real "column".

He says McCain "narrowly did better", hardly a ringing endorsement.

The newspaper's readers seem to disagree with the "columnist": http://www.kansascity.com/775/story/815982.html

Obama leads in their poll with about 75% saying Obama won.

[ProSense]

48. The KC Star doesn't agree

here