do rose colored glasses help or hurt Obama's chances?

[Clovis Sangrail]

Some people here are convinced Obama did super and that he creamed McCain.
Some people here think he didn't do very well.

The media seems to think, in general, that it was either a tie or slightly favored McCain.

I think it's obvious some people here see Obama's performance in an overly positive light... and in some cases I think that's good.
You need to believe your candidate is going to win before they do win.

But where does evaluating a candidate in an overly positive light cross the line and become detrimental to the their chances?
Should we no longer point out their shortcomings?

[Curtland1015]

1. Let's be honest... neither.

[RoyGBiv]

2. I think it's obvious ...

Some people need to find something to complain about.

[Clovis Sangrail]

8. some do

others don't.

Recognizing inadequacies, in our candidates or in our political system, is what propels us to something better.

[Cha]

10. Just because you think something's obvious does not

make it so..you left out that part.

[Clovis Sangrail]

13. are you saying nobody here sees Obama in an overly positive light?

either you're one of those people or you haven't been here long
:shrug:

[Cha]

19. I see him as he is..and that's very

positive.

[Clovis Sangrail]

21. I see him very positively as well... however

he's a politician and acts accordingly.

I think not recognizing that, or not calling him on it when he does, falls into the 'overly positive' category.

[blossomstar]

3. Obama came off as TOO NICE.

American's don't want a freaking NICE president, they want one that will FIGHT FOR THEM. Was Obama on PROZAC? He just smiled when McCain creamed him over and over!!!! I wanted to PUNCH the crap out of MCCain for Obama! Obama MISSED opportunity after opportunity to blow away McCain!!!!!!!!!!! I am heart broken and so very disappointed. The truth is the truth and Obama did NOT deliver what was needed to win tonight.

[Doremus]

7. That is one sentiment I haven't heard or read elsewhere tonight.

Most pundits are saying just the opposite: that McCain came off as too condescending and Obama was likeable.

This debate wasn't about a killing McCain. It was about showing who is more presidential in their demeanor and bearing. Obama won in that respect and all the comments I'm reading back that up.

[Swamp Rat]

4. I think Obama would look good in rose-colored glasses

[FVZA_Colonel]

5. I thinked Obama could have hit harder, especially on some key points, but he did better then I

thought he would, especially considering this was supposed to be a given night for McCain. McCain's attitude throughout the whole thing alone makes this at least a tie.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

6. As I expected, Obama did better on the foreign policy stuff, McCain did better on earmark bullshit

On the facts and sensibility an obvious Obama win.

But in what makes a political debate a win or loss it was close to a tie.

But since Obama had more to gain he will gain net voters from it.

[AtomicKitten]

9. Obama is paying the black tax.

[Thrill]

11. I watched the debate. And the only people who will think McCain won

are the ones who think childish attacks and talking points with no substance are what win debates.

[Clovis Sangrail]

14. childish tactics in advertising sell billion$ in products

... just sayin'

[kenny blankenship]

12. Obama is playing to the undecided crowd not us & he's not trying to beat Republicans into submission

and if you saw figures on how independents and undecideds scored the debate, Obama absolutely crushed McCain. Debates aren't going to change the minds of anyone but these voters. And how pundits score debates doesn't matter at all. So Obama is doing well even if you felt uninspired. This was also the debate that was supposed to be McCain's big night. From now on, McCain will be on Obama's preferred ground.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

15. Obama won every post-debate poll except for DU Troll Poll & Faux News Text Message Poll.

:*

[Kdillard]

16. Yep and that is what counts.

[regnaD kciN]

17. Don't forget Polan...I mean Drudge!

:rofl:

[Tigress DEM]

18. Let's talk about boots on the ground politics and the media.

*ushco OWNED the media in the lead up to the war. We have been making some strides when we are all over the news all of the time for their inaccurate reporting. When we have other things to do, they start this - OH BOTH SIDES ARE BAD or reporting ONE BAD THING ABOUT OBAMA for every stupid thing Palin or McDufus does to make sure they are being "fair" and balanced.

WE THE PEOPLE have been taking the press back bit by bit and 2 things I know. REPORTER ARE STILL DYING ALL OVER THE WORLD to bring the TRUTH (1) and in the US it is being played with and not reported.

We had 1/2 a million people out in DC and they just ignored us and reported 10s of thousands. Technically accurate, but misleading.

I've been AT other protests where the numbers were under reported time and time again and it's the same all over the world. CNN National might have the right number, but CNN US version under reports consistently.

SO -- if the media is portraying McCain "slightly" over Obama it's because it's what they were told to say most likely.


Obama has the real game plan and we know it. He isn't going to say one thing to get elected and then go back to business as usual like McLumpy would.

We can kick Obama's ass when he gets into office if he blows it, and make constructive suggestions before then to help him improve, but DEMS are way too good at eating our own and preventing them from ever being able to focus their attention on the real enemy - the rethuglican slime machine.

When I vote on these polls, I'm voting what I believe is true about Obama. He's the best candidate.

McWeirdo lied and lied and lied and kept patronizing Obama for what Obama doesn't know.. talk about stupid calling a suma cum laude dumb. Doesn't work in my universe.


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http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=24909

Press Freedom Round-up 2007
86 journalists killed in 2007 - up 244% over five years

In 2007:
86 journalists and 20 media assistants were killed
887 arrested
1,511 physically attacked or threatened
67 journalists kidnapped
528 media outlets censored

Online:
37 bloggers were arrested
21 physically attacked
2,676 websites shut down or suspended

In 2006
85 journalists and 32 media assistants were killed
871 arrested
1,472 physically attacked or threatened
56 journalists kidnapped
912 media outlets censored

2007 Killed Arrested Physically attacked or threatened Media outlets censored Kidnapped
Africa 12 162 145 61 1
The Americas 7 86 626 91 11
Asia 17 430 562 273 23
Europe + ex-Soviet bloc 2 77 83 60 3
North Africa + Middle East 48 132 95 43 29
Total 86 887 1511 528 67

The number of journalists killed has risen 244% in five years
At least 86 journalists were killed around the world in 2007. The figure has risen steadily since 2002 - from 25 to 86 (+ 244%) - and is the highest since 1994, when 103 journalists were killed, nearly half of them in the Rwanda genocide, about 20 in Algeria’s civil war and a dozen in the former Yugoslavia.

More than half those killed in 2007 died in Iraq.

[RichardRay]

20. A note on 'scoring' the debate.

If you count each question on each topic equally, then it was a tie, or McCain did very slightly better. If you weight the results based on the public's interest in and concern about the topic involved, then Barack won handily on points.

So, I don't think calling it a victory for Barack is looking at it through rose colored glasses, although claiming that he 'creamed McCain' is probably an overstatement.

[TheKentuckian]

22. To me Obama won because he did what he NEEDED to do

which was to be Presidential, demonstrate in depth knowledge of situations and events, and how he would be the calm and steady hand on the wheel.

What McHoover did well was to limit the turf and hammer away on the only economic policy that they can even try to peddle, low taxes and no regulation. To which Obama had an opening to lay a knockout blow but I think the image was not to be disrupted and such blows could be used later.

Once it went to foreign policy and Obama could go deep and showed he had every bit of business up there on the stage, and arguably a better understanding of the dynamics this one was over.

Overall, its not a blowout because McCain controlled the pace and tempo so to speak and was able to keep hitting with what little he had but he didn't have any haymakers on the economy and could not prevent Obama from going over the threshold on policies, willingness to defend the country, and knowledge. You may not agree with Obama but its foolish to pretend he doesn't have thought out and informed reasons for his thinking. McCain lost ground because he repeatedly asserted Obama "doesn't understand" and the like, in the face of a knowledgeable responses.

Also, the reborn populist McHoover has stupidly painted himself into one hell of a corner come the economic debate. He's proudly gone back to root conservative Bush mode policies, Obama has but to repudiate the brand of economics McShame is an agent of and make him accountable for his crap and McCain is knocked out. He left him self no room. There will be no 90 discussion on earmarks.

[PeaceNikki]

23. Who has "slightly favored McCain"?