McLame Wins This Battle

[matcom]

because he didn't fuck it up. tie goes to the idiot tonight. Obama now has an uphill battle :(

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

1. I disagree. McSame was rambling and lost his cool at times.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

100. McCain WAS rambling and boring

[Curtland1015]

2. Seriously? Obama is leaving this debate with more sound bites than McCain.

That's how you can tell who wins these things.

[Mike Daniels]

108. Nope....The sound bites are "Obama just doesn't understand"

and Obama's "John is right about..." Expect to see one or the other on the air before midnight tonight.

Sorry, but McCain made a bounce back from yesterday's tantrum.

Name one thing Obama said that's going to stick in the mind of the average voter.

[Patchuli]

167. I can name a few...

tax breaks, a working health care system, college assistance, homeowners' relief, the end to the war...

Do you need more?

[book_worm]

3. that's your opinion. I saw a different debate and Obama owned McCain

winner goes to the winner--Obama.

[ProSense]

4. You know what,

He Fucked it Up Big Time

[grantcart]

assuming you mean that McCain is the 'He' you are referring to?

[Seen the light]

5. Bullshit.

The only noteworthy thing so far in this debate is the McCain condescension. That's a loss for him.

[matcom]

14. Reality.

Obama is black. I don't believe this country will elect him unless he is 30 points ahead. No, I don't hold my country in very high regard.

Sorry.

[gblady]

I respectfully...

and totally disagree....

[Drunken Irishman]

33. I think you need to go back to the lounge.

[Baltoman991]

51. So

you think McCain won the battle only because Obama is black and you feel folks won't vote for him?

Sorry, but the debate tonight was pretty much one sided. You had one man giving factual, strong answers and another man who lied so much he probably didn't realize he was doing it.

I have no issues at all with Obama tonight. Yes, he said "I agree John" a few times but really, he has to keep a certain appearance going so as not to be labled the angry black man which would surely come if he starts calling McCain a flat out liar.

While not a complete KO, I give round 1 to Obama. Not just because I support him, but because he actually did win.

[NYC Liberal]

57. If that was true, he would be 30 points BEHIND.

He's leading McCain comfortably now, across the board.

[Tallison]

81. Self-deleted

[stillcool]

111. Why do you even bother?

[RiverStone]

184. Will your posts help our candidate win the GE?

If not, why post this negative shit on DU?

[CarbonDate]

224. So Obama lost the debate because he's black?

That's just fucking stupid. And unhelpful.

Please, come back when you have something useful to contribute.

[vanderBeth]

6. Disagree

[Drunken Irishman]

7. Lies!

:P

[Bluebear]

8. Pfff. Kissinger alone will be McCain's Gerald Ford moment, let alone his condescending tone

[jab105]

9. HUH??

Only if you thought that McCain would sit there drooling at the podium the entire time...

This is the strongest I've seen Obama in a debate ever, I'm really impressed with him!

[sandnsea]

10. Obama kicked his ass

McCain looked like a bumbling old fart with sporadic moments of clarity.

And a tie goes to Obama - against 26 years of experience??

[Patchuli]

174. I like how McOld starts blinking furiously

when he's pissed....heehehee You could actually see the BP go up! He is way too old for this job and he picked a really poor vp candidate.

[1Hippiechick]

216. His eyes are a dead giveaway, imo, especially when he blares them wide open, e.g., caught off guard,

and especially when he mispronounces foreign leaders' names and has to re-pronounce them emphatically--blaring his eyes--and in a very frustrated tone, bobbing his head with each syllable. Not sure 'frustrated' is the correct adjective, though. Not sure exactly what emotion he is expressing.

[Patchuli]

227. Impatience, frustration

because I think he personally doesn't find much interest in others. I mean I think he is xenophobic like many repugs.

[KathieG]

11. NOT

[TeamJordan23]

12. What debate were you watching? nm

[HughMoran]

13. Nice Mr. Negative Pants

What a bunch of hooie!

[NYC Liberal]

15. Thanks for your concern. McCain did awful tonight.

[Midlodemocrat]

105. Okay. Now that is funny. Stating that matcom is a concern troll?

:rofl:

Shit, you can't make this up. He's been here since the beginning, sweetie.

[BklnDem75]

138. Your point?

There's many concern trolls that's been here from the beginning.

[Midlodemocrat]

141. And, you would know this how?

Since you haven't been?

He's no troll. He's done more for this party than most keyboard warriors here. :eyes:

[BklnDem75]

155. Maybe you should pay more attention.

Concern trolls can be Democrats, too. I guess you missed the end of the primaries.

[Midlodemocrat]

157. You are getting funnier by the second.

Go on, keep it up.

I have an idea for you!!!! Call Skinner a concern troll! Because unlike most people here, he would vouch for mat. Having met him and all at rallies, marches and such.

Like I said. He's done more for the party that most people here. But, keep it up. We're dying over here.

[BklnDem75]

169. Aye Carumba!

Believing or spreading certain right-wing smears about Senator Obama or Michelle Obama could earn you an immediate tombstone. Ignorance is not an excuse -- everyone on Democratic Underground should know better on this stuff. Some examples: The suggestion that Senator Obama is a Muslim; xeonophobic use of his middle name; spreading rumors about secret videotapes with racist rants. If you're acting like a Freeper or a "concern troll," we'll assume that you are one.

Skinner's own words. Being a concern troll is not a challenge on one's political leanings. Why you keep on referring to one's history, I have no idea.

[Midlodemocrat]

176. LOL. Did you even read what I wrote.

That Skinner knows mat?

Whatever. Expressing constructive criticism about a democrat isn't against the rules. You might need to re-read them.

[BklnDem75]

192. Are you at a bar or something?

At least then I would understand your ranting a bit better. You're attacking a poster for calling out the OP's concern and use a failed argument to defend your position. Here's a hint: At the end of the primaries, long time posters, who were loyal to Hillary, that criticized Obama's position were called concern trolls. It did not matter that they were Democrats.

[Midlodemocrat]

194. LOL. I'm not attacking anyone, sweetie.

And, you couldn't be more wrong.

And, those posters got TS'd for not following the rules; not for criticizing Obama. Those of us who've been through a couple of primary know that they get very, very ugly and a lot of folks can't control themselves.

That's not what is happening here. But, you know that. WHich is why you are reverting to juvenile comments.

I'm done. Good night.

[BklnDem75]

203. If you say so, sweetie.

Not all of them got ts'd, and many still do get called out for their concern. Last I checked, people are still free to criticize. Just as we are still free to respond that criticism.

Have a good night. Sleep comfortable knowing that being called out for your concern is not the same as being called a freeper troll.

[NYC Liberal]

139. Um, who said he was a troll? It IS "concern" bullshit though.

Read the thread, most people agree.

:rofl: backatchya

[Midlodemocrat]

Because most people

are new and don't know him. He's the furthest thing from a concern troll. It's like insinuating that Will Pitt is a troll.

Mat has done more for this party than most people here ever will.


:eyes:

[NYC Liberal]

144. Again, show me where I said troll

I said it was concern BS. It *is*.

Now you may disagree with me on that, but don't go around claiming I said something I never did.

[Midlodemocrat]

148. Oh, come on.

Everyone knows what is meant by the comment 'thanks for your concern'.

Seriously. Everyone. It's DU's version of 'In what respect, Charlie'. Has been since 2001.

[NYC Liberal]

149. It's concern BS, whether you like it or not.

And I'll call it like I see it.

You don't have to be a troll to engage in that nonsense. Even good, or great, Democrats do it now and then.

[regnaD kciN]

213. I've known matcom on this board for years...but...

...that doesn't make him right here. And it doesn't make him less of a "concern troll."

[Pale Blue Dot]

179. I've known Matcom online for almost 7 years.

Does that give me credibility when I say that I watched the same debate, looked at the polls, and feel that any Democrat that started this thread has a ton of evidence against him and may be described as a concern troll?

[Midlodemocrat]

188. Your credibility isn't a issue

You know that. Neither is matcom's. He gets to express an opinion the same way we all do. He's no troll. That's what I'm arguing.

I think a lot of us are fearful how this will be spun by the MSM, but it looks as though the tide may be turning in Barack's favor.

I thought Kerry was a slam dunk in 2004 after he debated the chimp; I was wrong. It is enough to make people nervous. I'm nervous this week. I thought it was a lock, but the shenanigans this week do have my nervous.

I know Rick Davis personally and I know what that group is capable of. I have to admit, I won't calm down until the election is over. I had a huge, almost overwhelming amount of confidence that it would be a landslide until this week. I can see where mat is coming from. Totally.

[Pale Blue Dot]

193. The shenanigans this week have totally backfired on McCain.

Again, all of the polling shows this. In fact, the gap in the polls has become so wide that I don't even think that the Republicans could credibly STEAL this election.

I just have a hard time believing that any Democrat without preconceived notions could have watched the same debate I did and thought that McCain won. Maybe it's because I was watching the CNN feed with the widget that clearly showed Obama winning. I don't know. But to me (and to independents, from the polling, and many Republicans, based on the CNN widget) it wasn't even close. Not even close. Polling in the next few days will verify this.

Of course Matcom has a right to his opinion. And all other DUers, regardless of the amount of time they have been here, have a right to disagree. Matcom's loyalty to this site, and his friendship with you, have nothing to do with the correctness of his opinion.

[Midlodemocrat]

198. He doesn't deserve to be

called a concern troll and you know that, FinnFan. It's an insult to a longtime poster who has done more for the Democratic party than just sit at a keyboard and type pretty words.

I don't see anyone slamming the PA for saying the same thing that Matt says in a different thread.

I haven't even offered an opinion on this thread as to whether or not I agree with him. I'm arguing that he's not a concern troll and frankly, you should be as well.

[Pale Blue Dot]

201. Sorry, Midlo. If he watched the same debate I did and then started this thread,

then he's a concern troll.

Goodnight!

[Ichingcarpenter]

No more shots for you!!

LoL........ he did fuck up.

[Teaser]

16. drinking game must have finished matcom early tonight

.

[Ichingcarpenter]

32. Agreed..... he had some really good liquor too

[Rowdyboy]

17. The tie (hideous red stripe) around his neck BELONGED to the loser.....

[Cosmic Charlie]

18. you, sir, are full of shit.

[Doityourself]

19. NOOOOO WAY

[FrenchieCat]

20. If

if you fucking say so. Should we lay down now or later

personally, I think McCain is full of shit.

[Captain Lance Bass]

21. Agreed

If election was tommorow MCCain wins

[ProSense]

26. Oh Bullshit!

Utter Bullshit!

[Patchuli]

181. You want a doddering old ignorant man

over a young, vibrant, intelligent and highly-educated man? McCain sat there barely containing his rage when called out for what he is by Obama. No one wants an angry president with PTSD. Let alone an old, sick one with a ridiculous vice presidential candidate. You want a pResident Moosalina?!

[Stop Cornyn]

22. Now I miss that damn "skip it" feature ...

[regnaD kciN]

214. Forget "skip it"...

...I'd take this one all the way to "disruptive."

[trumad]

23. You did this same shit in 2004

[Midlodemocrat]

142. And, we lost in 2004.

[regnaD kciN]

215. Are you claiming some sort of causality...

...as in "he causes Democrats to lose with his 'concern'?"

[trumad]

218. Well maybe it was because of shit like this...

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

24. Depends on the spin.

If the media's consistent, they'll focus on McCain's HUGE mistakes (Kissinger) and his anger/smugness issue. If not, they'll say McCain did better than expected and kiss his ass. Either way, it's not uphill - at worst, we'd be back on more level footing.

[Captain Lance Bass]

25. Agreed

If election was tommorow MCCain wins

[Waiting For Everyman]

27. This is McC's strength, and it was weak.

[Captain Lance Bass]

28. Agreed

If election was tommorow MCCain wins

[Captain Lance Bass]

Agreed

If election was tommorow MCCain wins

[Captain Lance Bass]

Agreed

If election was tommorow MCCain wins

[Captain Lance Bass]

29. Agreed

If election was tommorow MCCain wins

[Bluebear]

spam spam spam spam

[Bernardo de La Paz]

Be as patient as Obama. Don't multi-post when server slow. Don't be a coward. Obama is strong here.

[Binka]

103. Stop Spamming The Board Mr Bible Stripper

Fuck off.

[CarbonDate]

225. You've been here since 2004?

Enjoy the rest of your stay.

[trueblue2007]

30. You're a idiot. I think McCain did a poor job!! Obama looked like a shining gem.

This O man doesn't understand is gonna bite old Man McCain in the ass. He looked like a condescending rat.

[nsd]

31. WTF? That's idiotic.

McCain is the one who was supposed to have experience. While people on DU think he's an idiot, undecided voters (i.e., the real target audience) actually respect him. That Obama can win a foreign policy debate against him -- and, yes, Obama's winning -- is a big step in convincing them that he's commander-in-chief material.

[onefreespiritedchick]

34. NO, Obama won this!

I beg to differ. There is no way McCain did!

[Window]

35. Oh please.

[casus belli]

36. lol...yeah, ok. n/t

[iamthebandfanman]

37. wait the debates over?

i coulda swore i was still watchin it

[trueblue2007]

You're a idiot. I think McCain did a poor job!! Obama looked like a shining gem.

This O man doesn't understand is gonna bite old Man McCain in the ass. He looked like a condescending rat.

[trueblue2007]

38. You're a idiot. I think McCain did a poor job!! Obama looked like a shining gem.

This O man doesn't understand is gonna bite old Man McCain in the ass. He looked like a condescending rat.

[trueblue2007]

39. You're a idiot. I think McCain did a poor job!! Obama looked like a shining gem.

This O man doesn't understand is gonna bite old Man McCain in the ass. He looked like a condescending rat.

[femmocrat]

40. I think that is how the repukes will spin it.

I have to grudgingly admit that McCain did better than I expected. He played very well to his base, IMO.

I don't think either candidate converted anyone from the other side tonight.

[trueblue2007]

41. You're a idiot. I think McCain did a poor job!! Obama looked like a shining gem.

This O man doesn't understand is gonna bite old Man McCain in the ass. He looked like a condescending rat.

[HughMoran]

42. Nice Mr. Negative Pants

What a bunch of hooie!

[Mad_Dem_X]

43. Disagree.

Obama was calm and collected. McLame was not.

[paparush]

44. Obama knocked this out of the park.

[Waiting For Everyman]

45. This is McC's strength, and it was weak.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

46. You sucker. You're buying into McCain's expectation game. But foreign policy is McLame's game, hmmmm

[krkaufman]

47. Dunno. I think Obama scored big on the "bomb Iran" comment ...

... pointing out that McCain took us into the wrong war;

... and, if the media covers it, McCain's mistake on Kissinger's position.

[Name removed]

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[matcom]

76. you make my point against DU

and I have been here since the beginning.

:rofl:

sorry all you "lifers", life awaits after this asshole

CIAO

[Name removed]

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[Tuesday Afternoon]

140. O_O

speechless over that comment.

[Mutley]

151. Dude.

That was fucked up.

[Ranting_Wacko]

49. You're kidding, right?

McCain didn't wet himself on live TV, so Obama didn't win?

Where you even watching the debate?

[Name removed]

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[Ranting_Wacko]

123. A-ha.

I actually wasn't able to get on-line here for a while and my old account went defunct.

That's the best answer you can give me? "Oh! You've posted less! Why should I listen to you?"

That's asinine even by conservative standards.

[regnaD kciN]

217. Yes, matcom's been here a long time...

Just out of curiosity, how long was seventhson here? :evilgrin:

[Life Long Dem]

125. That sounds like McSame's argument against Obama.

And like McSame, I see you lack clear judgment as well.

[CarbonDate]

226. Post count is relavent how?

For instance: there's this poster named matcom who has 55,000 posts at DU (how many of those are in the Lounge, by the way?) but thinks Obama lost the debate. Clearly, that shows that experience (especially experience posting to an internet message board) isn't everything.

[Hepburn]

50. GMAFB....

...the old asshole made a fool of himself tonight.

[Peregrine Took]

52. I agree. He held his own and did way better. Time after time McCain got

digs in and Obama let him by with it.

He tried a few times to feebly speak over him but gave up each time. He needs to spend some serious debating time with James Carville.

[Cybergata]

53. McBlinky did a terrible job.

He was stiff and didn't turn left of right of look Obama in the face. Much of the time he had clenched teeth like he was trying to smile instead of lose his temper. He looks OLD OLD OLD. His comb over is embarrassing and his tie is a terrible pick for TV. Obama looks more relaxed and speaks more "off the cuff." Obama doesn't take forever, rambling around and around to get to the point. The comments McBlinky made were partially incoherent and he was rude and condescending while Obama was a gentleman who made some good zingers while still seeming like a gentleman. McBlinky came off as a mean old stiff man.

[Dawgs]

54. You've got to be kidding.

Tomorrow their will be numerous articles showing McCain's lies.

[Zuiderelle]

55. Nope.

[AlCzervik]

56. love ya Matcom but i disagree.

[GodlessBiker]

58. Please stop being an idiot.

[RetroLounge]

59. Bullshit...

:eyes:

RL

[Starry Messenger]

60. WTH.

Did you lose a bet and have to post this as the penalty?

[October]

61. Some people always need to be the devil's advocate

[proud2BlibKansan]

62. wtf are you smoking?

[terrya]

63. Absolutely not. Wrong.

[cottonseed]

64. He may have not met your extremely hight expectations...

but I think he's coming off well to Democrats (that might not yet be for him) and independents...

[Raine]

65. I'm waiting till the talking heads decide

after all it's their call. :sarcasm:

[Malikshah]

66. Wow-- it's 2000 all over again. Keep that bar so low that if McCain doesn't soil himself

he's won.

We are a better country than that.

[Ikonoklast]

Not.

McCain HAD to show something, after the last two weeks of a campaign in a death spiral.

He got nuttin'. He blathered talking points.

Obama landed head shots.

[weezie1317]

67. What the heck were you watching. McCain looked unstable and unreliable!

[kwassa]

68. he doesn't win at all.

he is a rambling mess most of the time, incomplete sentences and point, jumping around constantly.

[theothersnippywshrub]

69. Wrong. Because Obama only needs to convince 3 or 4 million voters that he is presidential.

He has done that. McCain needed to convince those voters that Obama can not be presidential. McCain has not done that. The fact that McCain did not melt down or erupt and begin flinging his own feces does not mean that Obama did not reassure or convince those 3 or 4 million voters that he can be president

[TexasObserver]

70. Disagree. McCain is not selling to the Indie voters.

He consistently looks UNpresidential.

[Miss Chybil]

71. Never did McCain get the blue line to go over neutral, but Obama

got the red line over neutral quite a few times. Plus, he got the green line over neutral much more than McCain did. I think you're wrong. Of course, we have to see what the talking heads do with it.

[KamaAina]

72. Didn't fsck it up?

For one, he referred to the KGB -- nonexistent these past 17 years.

[City Lights]

73. I disagree. He came across as a condescending asshole.

[Moochy]

74. years of waddling your little nude butt up and down those stairs

has affected your judgement. :P

[THUNDER HANDS]

75. you're lucky you're you

or you would have had everyone in this thread calling you a disruptor.

I mean, you are, but only based on your sports teams.

:)

[Midlodemocrat]

202. Now, THAT I agree with.

:rofl:

[shanti]

77. wow - what debate were YOU watching?

mclame came off as a total jerk.

[wisteria]

78. Senator Obama has got to stop giving any credit to McCain.

Senator McCain has not given any credit or been nice to Obama all night. Nice people finish last. McCain has kissed Bush's ass for eight years now just to get to this point- he will do anything to get elected. Don't be nice to him or give him credit for anything.

[Bluebear]

79. Well that sucked the air out of the room.

[billyoc]

80. He came off as a doddering old fool.

[Onlooker]

82. WHY DON'T WE LET THREADS LIKE THIS DIE? N/T

[KoKo]

93. This is wisdom from a long time DU Elder....he's lost a few teeth but his brain still functions.

(apologies, "Matcom.")
"

[and-justice-for-all]

83. McSame lied his ass off...nt

[chupacabranation]

84. I actually agree w/the OP

I had such low expectations for McCain that he actually came out looking good. I always expect Obama to be brilliant.

Ugh. UGH. I really hope McCain doesn't see a bounce in the polls due to this.

[Bluebear]

86. Welcome to DU

[chupacabranation]

94. Thank you. n/t

[Frank Cannon]

127. So do I

I fully expected the guy to throw up and collapse in a heap after the first question. Either that, or erupt into a tirade of four-letter words. Since he did neither, I guess he did okay. Obama, on the other hand, seemed to be a lot more restrained than I would have hoped. Why didn't he KO him on the veterans support issue?

Not that it makes any difference. I don't think this will help McCain much, and even if it does, his pathetic running mate will send him back to the doldrums when she has her turn next week. That woman constantly surprises me by performing much worse than my lowest expectations.

[Patchuli]

195. Obama was brilliant

and McCain came off as an angry, ill-spoken and arrogant old man.

[Lars39]

85. McCain showed himself to be the petty, hateful, little man that he is.

[KoKo]

87. It was worrisome, for sure. Better to start off "low and build."

:shrug: There's more room to go UP than to go down...when you don't exceed expectations on the first go
'round.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

88. I want some of what you're smoking.

It's obviously a very powerful hallucinogen.... :shrug:

[Moochy]

90. you and pat buchannan agree

[dawgmom]

92. I'm afraid I have to agree

As sick as it makes me to say it, I think that McCain controlled the debate, and his characterizations of Obama, as false as they were, scored points. If I have to be completely objective, which I must be, I think that McCain won. He was mean, and snotty -- and I think that the people watching it will respond to that. It's nauseating, but it's true. He put Obama on the defensive.

[Bluebear]

97. Welcome to DU

[dawgmom]

152. Thank you!

That's very nice of you to say.

[Bluebear]

95. No, it was proven that that ad posted on McCain.com was premature

[Midlodemocrat]

96. Hey, Mat.

Love you. Things haven't been the same here without you. As you can tell.

[Midlodemocrat]

98. Hey, Mat.

Love you. Things haven't been the same here without you. As you can tell.

[matcom]

107. hey kid

things are the same. dillusional partisans still rule the roost and they have no political understanding.

see you in a few weeks

:loveya:

:hi:

[Midlodemocrat]

147. .

:loveya:

Give my BFF a hug for me.

:hug:

[spanone]

99. shirley, you jest

[Poseidan]

101. the frame is the same

McCain displayed the old way - old prejudices, old racisms, old thinking. Unfortunately, Obama had to agree more often than not, because that old way is still a political factor.

We have seen clearly though, McCain represents the past, Obama the future. Nothing has changed.

[seabeyond]

102. husband, repug, said it was draw. he would be happy with draw this being mccain expertise

obama held his own and in this area that is a good thing

[Blue_In_AK]

104. Media bias was strongly showing

on MSNBC immediatately post-debate. I had to leave until Countdown comes on -- There's no way in hell John McCain won that debate. He was pathetic.

[slinkerwink]

106. wow, that's so not what I saw.

[snailly]

109. I didn't see it that way at all

If anything it was a tie. Really good debate and McCain is not an idiot. He really is a force but I think this was a learning experience and the next debate will show that.

[Erin Elizabeth]

110. Were we watching the same debate?

Did you have too many shots?

Obama did fantastic. My very unpolitical husband said McCain seemed like a whiny old gasbag and Obama seemed "presidential."

[workinclasszero]

112. I call Bullshit!

[Raine]

113. I think it was a draw nt

[uponit7771]

114. On foriegn policies???!!?!?! Come on ....

[Haole Girl]

115. I disagree. nt

[Colobo]

116. Obama won.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

117. Foreign policy was supposed to be McCain's strong area

And apart from the opening discussion about the economy, this debate was supposed to be centered on foreign policy issues. McCain get in a lot of digs at Obama, some of which he didn't return. But I think the fact that Obama held his own most of the evening is a very good sign. McCain came off as someone who has a belligerant attitude towards foreign policy. Obama came off as more of a statesman and a diplomat. McCain used fear as a weapon; Obama focused more on the hope of a more peaceful world in which America's good image is restored. The second debate between them will be on domestic issues and I'm pretty sure Obama will close strong in that upcoming debate. I think overall it was a good night for Obama but McCain did do better than I expected.

[Phx_Dem]

Not even close. Obama won.

McCain allowed Obama to get under his skin. He got testy and smirky and petty. Obama was forceful but respectful, and VERY VERY knowledgeable. I think tonight may have erased any questions about Obama's knowledge of foreign policy.

3 pointer, eyes closed!

[4_Legs_Good]

118. On Foreign policy? tie goes to Obama!!!!

[krabigirl]

119. wrong

[Raine]

120. I think it was a draw nt

[RememberWellstone]

121. bullshit

Nobody won..Obama held his own against a far more experienced foreign policy man. He did not lose anything.

[Phx_Dem]

122. Not even close. Obama won.

McCain allowed Obama to get under his skin. He got testy and smirky and petty. Obama was forceful but respectful, and VERY VERY knowledgeable. I think tonight may have erased any questions about Obama's knowledge of foreign policy.

3 pointer, eyes closed!

[codjh9]

124. I thought it was a bit more of a stalemate, but McPuke was more offensive (and I don't

mean offense-defense; I mean disgusting-offensive, with that Chimpy-like smirk now and then, and that fucking 'it's hard to reach that far across the aisle' dumb-ass bullshit remark.

[Bravo Zulu]

126. Mclame didn't win

which means he is behind!

[dansolo]

128. This was supposed to McCain's "home court"

A tie means that Obama won.

[democracy1st]

129. matcom allow me to not call you a dumbass but WTF are you talking about

McCain has been screwing up all week and he needed a HR

[Abacus]

130. At best, McCain tied

When you're behind, a tie doesn't cut it. I think the numbers will show an Obama win.

[Avalux]

131. Nope. He was *this close* to losing his temper. Might be good for his base -

will do the opposite for independents and moderate Dems. He didn't win.

[Demi_Babe]

132. are you fucking nuts?

[crazy_vanilla]

133. oh hell no

There was absolutely no substance to him whatsoever. Just a couple of worn out arguments repeated over and over again. McTurd was whiny, boring, and repetitive.:nuke:

[deadparrot]

134. McCain needed to hit this one out of the ballpark, and it was a draw. nt

[cali]

135. wrong. As Gergen said, McCain needed a win, not a draw

and LOL, Obama is the won ahead in all the polls.

[Beausoir]

136. You couldn't be more WRONG!

This race is over. Take it from me...the ultimate political cynic....Obama WON this debate.

[Inchworm]

137. Pass the bong, dude

:smoke:

[ramapo]

143. Not quite

McCain might have scored some points with his constant "you don't understand". Also might have lost some points with others. He was pretty awful starting out. He managed a strong finish but I think overall Obama did a great job responding to McCain. He let some insults pass at the end which annoyed me but it might have been a good strategy.

[BklnDem75]

145. Were you at a bar watching the debate?

It would explain so much. Obama was too cool for school. McCain was erratic. Obama clearly won.

[rug]

146. Do you feel like a Big Mac in a piranha pool?

[budkin]

150. Do us a favor and jump

[politicasista]

153. No. His "What Senator Obama doesn't understand..." was very rude,

and disrespectful. He repeated it over and over again.

DM (Dear Mom) thought it was racist on his part. Why? Because he was trying to put doubts into voters minds about Obama, leaving them them to think that he is some inexperienced, clueless black man/politician.


Obama held his own and did well. McCain came across as an erratic old fart who wouldn't shut up.

[gal]

Not sure which debate you watched...

[gal]

154. Not sure which debate you watched...

[gabby garcia]

156. my suggestion?

put down the crack pipe.

[Fire1]

158. Among the experts, you're the only one who thinks so!

[appleannie1]

159. Wrong. All polls say Obama won.

[dawgmom]

160. Just thought I'd give you a positive response...

...to counteract all the kneejerk responses you're getting from people who want to stick their fingers in their ears and say "la la la" rather than consider alternative ideas. I just got blasted myself for daring to object to the ugly age-ist namecalling that seems so common here with regard to McCain. Hell, I don't like him; doesn't mean I can't object to what I see as cheap shots. I thought we were supposed to be BETTER than them.

Anyway....I also thought that McCain held his own, and in fact controlled the pace of the debate.

[JeffR]

161. Not a tie at all. Not as dramatic as I would have hoped, but not a tie.

And Obama will be the next occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. And he'll get there downhill. But keep on freaking out if that floats your boat.

[Ichingcarpenter]

162. Mattcom started early on some really good liquor

I stuck with wine.

I think he past out hours ago, you missed that thread.

[JeffR]

180. Color me dumb.

I split the difference with vermouth, as is my wont, and end up at this hour having no idea what's going on...

Jim Lehrer won convincingly! I think...

[SoxFan]

163. Matcom, a word of advice

Stick to posting stories about nude senior citizens tasering emus in their back yard, ok?

[redqueen]

164. Hah... are you serious?

How did he not fuck it up?


He wasn't engaged by any of the questions or issues Obama raised... he just repeated himself and seemed oblivious.

He wouldn't look Obama in the eye, even after Jim said "I'm trying to get you to talk to each other." That's gonna register with people...

Not to mention his condescending "he just doesn't get it"...

He was crushed on both the economy and foreign policy...

I just don't see any reason to think McCain did well at all.

:shrug:

[nam78_two]

187. Thanks for listing all of those

I was trying to remember everything wrong with it and I couldn't even remember all of them. McCain fucked up big time. Some people are also saying that Kerry won the debates in 2004 but lost the election, but what is left out of that is that Kerry who had been the targeting of all that swift-boating going in to the debates and had dropping poll numbers, picked up amazingly post debate and in the end the election was very close (and of course personally I think it was stolen). Obama is going in with numbers much better than McCain and this will only increase them. I followed and was heavily involved in that race and have followed this one closely and I honestly think Obama is going to win. Personally, I don't think race will play even a small role in this race.

44th President of The United States == Senator Barack Obama :).

[Rebellious Republican]

165. MC you still kickin around here, thought you took your self important

self absorbed egotistical ass out here years ago. Why are you posting flame bait threads, I thought the Grassy Knoll crowd faded into non existence years ago. Will Pitt have another date tonight, nothing to do but stir up shit at DU?

[crunchgarcia]

166. I don't think so....

McCain: I have a plan
Obama: This is my plan

McCain: I know how to fix this
Obama: This is how I will fix it

McCain: I know people
Obama: I''m working with people right now

McCain: My opponent is naive
Obama: My opponent''s past judgments betray his words

McCain: Obama doesn't understand
Obama: McCain understands some of it, but not most of it

McCain: We suspended our campaign and were not as prepared
Obama: Yes, I can walk and chew gum (Obama campaign unanimously)

Biden: McCain is stuck in the past!
Palin: I like pie! Let's burn books!

[nam78_two]

168. Bullshit.nt

[YDogg]

pretty goddamned low expectations, if that's the case.

[Kajsa]

170. I totally disagree.

McCain lied his ass off, was condescending as hell,

" Senator Obama just doesn't get it"

:puke:

Uphill battle my ass! (check the polls)

Obama kicked major butt tonight and called McCain on all his lies
except the one where McCain feigns concern for our Veterans.

Obama's got to nail him on that next debate.

[Swamp Rat]

171. Obama won, though this was the debate McCain should have won.

[Patchuli]

191. Welcome Back

Swamp Rat *hug*

[Swamp Rat]

204. thanks Patchuli

:hug:

[merh]

205. I love that !

Good to see you and your work :hug:

:loveya:

[Swamp Rat]

206. merh!!

:hug:

[merh]

209. sweetie, I'm so happy you are here

wasn't Obama just terrific, presidential and posed and what a leader is supposed to be.

Hey, can you do a Palin with that fellow off of American Idol, the one that was so horrible no one would vote him off the show, he had a cult following and the sympathy vote.

:hug:

[Pale Blue Dot]

172. What?

:rofl:

I watched the whole thing. McCain looked like an idiot. Obama looked presidential. Polls are backing this up.

I've know you online for a long time now, matcom. I'm surprised at this post, not only for the content but for how incredibly wrong it is proving to be.

[merh]

173. You are so wrong.

The pundits are giving it to Obama because he carried himself so well, because he belonged on that stage and looked like a leader.

You were expecting a blow out and that doesn't happen (well, it might with Palin) - he proved himself to be a statesman and not the wacky leftie that the right has tried to paint him as.

[vanderBeth]

175. Ummm, No he didn't

[question everything]

177. That's one way of looking at it, but the battle will now be an uphill for McCaine

This was supposed to have been his victory night and all he did was not losing.

In the economic debate, he has no chance.

[devilgrrl]

178. puh-leeze

:eyes:

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

182. Somebody hasn't been drinking his Kool-Aid...

Seriously, I'm pleased that all the polling indicates that independent voters think Obama won, but I didn't see either one as doing particularly well. McCain was snarly and condescending and Obama went WAY too easy. He had forty minutes to talk about the economy, and he allowed himself to get dragged into a discussion of budget cuts and earmarks. McCain's answers on foreign policy could have just easily been cribbed from Bob Dole's answers in 1996. Have you learned anything over the past decade, John?

[speedoo]

183. McCain actually DID fuck it up.

1. His demeanor was terrible. Never once looked at Obama. Pundits and people care about that because it's a measure of character.

2. McCain had some gaffes, Obama had none.

3. Foreign policy is supposedly McCain's strength, but he did not show that tonight.

Election's over. Obama in a landslide.

[CreekDog]

185. no, but i notice you got 1 recommend for this thought

which is damning with faint praise. :think:

[SarahB]

186. Huh?

:wtf: dude?

[bevoette]

189. you're the wrongiest wrong that ever wronged

[SarahB]

190. Don't worry about it.

Dick's a dick.

[stillcool]

196. and you know Obama is black too?

[curious one]

197. Wrong, wrong, wrong. You are wrong. McTremblingvoice was not comfortable

and lied from start to end.

[Arugula Latte]

199. Sorry, Matcom. You are wrong.

[Essene]

200. hey folks, tell us how you REALLY feel lol

[ecstatic]

207. Obama has a better grasp on foreign policy than McShame... only biased jerks

still believe that unfounded meme that McShame knows what the fuck he's talking about. And the stuff Obama doesn't know, I trust him more to learn and understand and LISTEN than I ever would McShame.

[TooRaLoo]

208. Obama came out on top. nt

[johnaries]

210. Wrong. Tie goes to Obama. for several reasons.

1. It was supposed to be about foreign policy. This was perceived to be in McCain's favor. Obama proved he was just as good.
2. It negates the whole "lack of experience" attack.
3. Obama was leading going into this. The only reservations some people had were the 2 "questions" above. Since he is perceived better on McCain on other issues, by proving he is "just as good" on these issues as McCain, the issues that Obama leads on will be the deciding factor in people's minds.

Obama wins.

[Wapsie B]

211. Oh I get it. Reverse psychology.

Call the debate for McCain, thereby making Obama's team work like they're 20 points down. That's it isn't it? Because reality says something quite different than the op. :shrug:

[No Elephants]

212. That is your opinion. Most people saw it differently, including the "experts."

[Major Hogwash]

219. Yeah, I agree. Obama never really landed a haymaker and he had several openings.

Since McCain didn't say something stupid like in past presidential debates like "Poland is not behind the iron curtain" or that "trees cause pollution" or just stand there and pee his pants, I think you're right.

I think that a majority of people in the country that watched the debate was shocked at how tenuous Obama was during this first debate.
He sounded like he was afraid to defend his own voting record.
Instead of letting McCain just stand there and tell lies about his voting record and his tax plan, what Obama should do next time is say, "Hey, I've got a novel idea. Instead of you lying about my tax plan or my voting record, and me complaining about your tax plan and your voting record, why don't you just talk about your tax plan and your voting record, and I'll talk about my tax plan and my voting record?"

If Obama doesn't come out with a little more "edge" to him, he'll lose the 2nd debate, too. He needs to get "the eye of the tiger". He needs to fight back more aggresively.

Obama didn't even complain when McCain started talking over him, he didn't even complain to Leher about it.
He wiffed at all the wrong times.

When is the 2nd debate?
I'll be interested to see if as many people watch the 2nd debate as this 1st debate since a lot of people think it ended in a tie.

[olegramps]

220. Who appeared more presidential

McCain was condescending and rude. This is his nature. He is a bellicose slob. He can not discuss the subject in a respectful way since his temperament is if you don't agree with me then I will bet the crap out of you. Perhaps this appeals to the trash that support him. In contrast Obama is a gentleman and a person I would what representing me and our nation. McCain is just another privileged brat who didn't do crap with his opportunities that were handed to him. Without his father's pull, he would have been kicked out of the Naval Academy that he got in solely because his grandfather and father were admirals. What did he do with his ill gotten opportunity; he was a disruptive cadet who graduated at the bottom of his class. He wants people to believe that he is a great military expert because he was a POW for five years. In distinct contrast is Obama who used his opportunities to excel. He graduated at the top of his class and was a respected professor of Constitutional Law.

[obiden]

221. I agree....WHY did he DYE his hair gray?????

He (obama) was trying to look wise and non-confrontational.....he should go in providing a clear contrast, young and crisp and on the attack!

[intaglio]

222. Matcom wins the Private Fraser award

"Dooomed, We're all Doooomed"

FFS even some of the 25%ers are saying Obama won by a mile


Oh - Pvt Fraser http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_characters_in_Dad's_Army

[underpants]

223. I don't think so there newbie

:evilgrin:

Obama won the first third and McCain won the last third. The big difference is that Obama looked right into the camera (connecting with the viewer) and said what he was GOING TO DO. McCain looked at Lehrer and talked about what Obama HAD said and the cold war.

CNN has it 51 Obama 38 McCain
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3514417&mesg_id=3514417

[fudge stripe cookays]

228. I'm with ya.

The fucking McCain signs around here have been springing up like fucking toadstools. All the MSM has to do is tell the masses that the polls are close, and the stupid assholes will believe it.

We threatened to last election, but we're seriously paying off debt, selling unimportant possessions, and mentally preparing our brother and sister-in-law in Canada for our stint in their basement.

Don't let the assholes get you down. We all know what's at stake here. It wouldn't matter how well Obama did. All they have to do is spin spin spin about how our nation wasn't ready for a black man.

[H2O Man]

229. I respectfully disagree.