WTF? Maddow: "McCain will be our next President."

[regnaD kciN]

She says that Obama "might" have a chance, but that she "expects" that McCain will win.

What is it with Rachel? O.K., I believe in being as cautious as the next person, but there's a line between caution and compulsive pessimism. If this is representative of the top voices on our side, no wonder we have a reputation for defeatism.

:wtf:

[geekgrrl]

1. when did she say this? I've been watching her every night. nt

[Demi_Babe]

2. No way I can believe she said that

[Cronus Protagonist]

3. Link?

Any proof or context at all?

[Speck Tater]

4. Check your hearing aid batteries. I didn't hear her say that. NT

[regnaD kciN]

14. She said it on her AAR radio show this afternoon...

...just before 5 P.M. Pacific time (don't know if it's tape-delayed or not).

[mtnsnake]

5. Huh? When did she say that?

[eshfemme]

6. WHAAT?!?!

I mean I know Rachel Maddow is pessimistic, which is natural considering the history of election rigging by the Republicans, but I mean... isn't this amount too much?

[clydefrand]

7. I wish you hadn't posted that. My heart fell. Take it away.

[Bicoastal]

8. Um, were there any other witnesses to this?

[glowing]

9. Why not make McCain's "win" an enevitable.. when Obama wins, then

it looks better.. She's lowering expectations.

[oldtime dfl_er]

10. did she say WIN

or did she say STEAL (or some euphemism thereof)?

[KathieG]

22. Maybe she said "win" with air quotes

[Miss Chybil]

11. Why would she say that?

Has she been watching the news?

[Zuiderelle]

12. Oh please, that's BULLSHIT. No way in hell she said that.

[liberalmuse]

Yes, she really did.

While interviewing a guy who wrote a 'fictional' book about war, and McCain being a Johnson-like Preznit in 2011. Jeezus, I couldn't fucking believe it!

[Sebastian Doyle]

49. I believe I can clear this up....

I didn't hear Rachel's show today, but if this is about this book, then she's interviewed this guy before, and as you say, it's a fictional book, set in 2011, and in this fictional book, McCain is President

The last time Rachel herself said McCain would win the election was back in May or early June when Hillary was mathematically eliminated from any possible victory, yet refused to concede the nomination. Rachel thought at the time that the needlessly long drawn out primary battle would hurt us. She hasn't said that since Hillary conceded in June, to my knowledge, and certainly not since the conventions.

[regnaD kciN]

19. She said it on her radio show...

...and her guest agreed with her.

I was surprised about how calm and accepting she sounded when she said it.

Before you call bullshit, you might want to be acquainted with the facts. Did you hear the show?

[liberalmuse]

13. This is why I love you guys here at DU.

I heard this as I was driving home and I'm fucking devastated! And as I was just opening DU, I was saying, 'WTF???? Rachel Maddow????' and this post is the first one I see. She really did say that. She said she believes McCain will win. I'm heartbroken!

[formernaderite]

39. that's what I thought she said too

but in the vein of their discussion, it made sense. I still believe Obama will pull this out, bu I also know some folks in politics. And some have said the same... a lot of it hinges on voter turn out. Unfortunately for us, we're going to be dependant on the younger demographic. These are people who need to have mailed in absentee voter registrations if they're going to school out of town or state. Kerry kinda got screwed by the numbers too.
However, I'm an eternal optimist and believe Obama may have lit a fire in them.

[maddezmom]

15. I was listening and didn't hear that....

can you give some more details?????

[southern_belle]

16. She never said that!

I've been watching.

[regnaD kciN]

24. It was on her AAR show...

...which you obviously weren't listening to.

[1corona4u]

30. Was it a repeat?

or new, as in today.

[Lex]

17. I was listening. I didn't hear that.

[liberalmuse]

29. I swear to god.

She really said that. I had to come home, walk my dog first thing, but I was dying to go onto DU to see if anyone else heard that. Why???

[gblady]

47. In the past....

I have heard her say that McCain will win several times...
(each time making me very angry...)
but I was getting the feeling since her TV show...
that she was changing her tune.

Looks like she hasn't...
I just remember what she said about Hillary to reassure myself...

[BeyondGeography]

18. She also said Hillary would fight all the way to the convention

Rachel is capable of talking out of her ass just like every other pundit.

[Olney Blue]

34. Yes, that is one time I really didn't like what she said.

[Drunken Irishman]

20. Who cares what Rachel Maddow thinks?

Seriously. Her opinion is no more greater than anyone on this board. It's a prediction, she may be right, she may be wrong.

Just because she said it doesn't mean it's going down that way. Hell, she predicted Clinton would take it to the convention...

[Awsi Dooger]

58. Exactly, who gives a damn?

Rachel has been poor mouthing our chances all year. It's the exact reason Scarborough and Harwood basically laughed her off on MSNBC a few months ago. Rachel was stunned beyond description. That's when she pounced on Scarborough in retaliation.

She's so accustomed to having her own way unchallenged on the radio show she thinks she can transfer the ignorant crap to a major cable network. It's why I can't believe so many posters here fawn over here. She has no clue regarding situational influence or margin for error if she believes McCain is likely to win. He can win, but it would require an unlikely razor tight sweep of all the states he desperately needs.

[1corona4u]

21. I was in the kitchen , but I think maybe she was talking about winning the debate, if she

said anything even remotely close to that. I dunno....maybe someone else heard it...

[Rowdyboy]

23. When McCain blows his nose Brokaw, Gregory, Stephanopolous and Scheiffer call it ....

a major victory for John. According to the media Gore lost to Bush in their debates because he sighed too loudly. How can anyone imagine the MSM won't proclaim McCain the winner tonight?

[Roxy66]

JUST RE-ROUND MY DVR.....NO SUCH THING WAS SAID!!!!

[my3boyz]

28. They said she said it on her RADIO show. nt

[my3boyz]

25. If she said that I will never watch her damn show again

She kept stirring shit up during the primaries too. She kept saying Hillary was going to take it to the convention and that Obama would lose. Over and over again. I don't need to hear people that are supposed to support the DEMS say stupid shit like that.

[1corona4u]

26. Oh, and if she did say it, she's just wrong, and maybe doesn't want to get

her hopes up.

[nini]

27. I heard it too.. during the interview with the guy that wrote a book

I am confused too and 'assume' it was in reference to what the book is about.

:shrug:

[Pab Sungenis]

41. I heard that interview much earlier in the year, back before Randi was fired and I listened to AAR.

I think that had to be a replay.

[RollWithIt]

31. I believe she said McCain would win the debate....

She never said next President.

[annabanana]

32. A self-professed worry wart.. a "glass half empty" kind of gal..

She says it all the time herself..

[SeattleGirl]

33. I listened to her show today too, and I did NOT hear her say

that.

[liberalmuse]

37. She really, really did.

God, would we lie about this? It's bad enough to even think about. I was driving home from work and listening to 1090 AM from Seattle. She said it alright. I told myself this was an old show, but then she referenced McCain's suspending his campaign, and my heart broke. :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Ichingcarpenter]

44. I didn't listened to her show today too, and I did NOT hear her say

that.

If she did then it was a Hans Solo, Luke Skywalker, type ,'Don't get cocky kid' type moment.

who cares? We know where she stands and who she stands with.

[KewlKat]

35. Uhhh, she's been saying this for awhile now

Check out this google search and read for yourself

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=rachael+maddow+says+mccain+will+win

[liberalmuse]

43. Thanks, because some of us did not know this.

I do know she is very cynical about the Dems in Congress. I love her anyway, but she's just wrong here. At least I hope she is. Kerist!

[jonnyblitz]

52. I remember somebody posting this before about her saying this.

that she thinks McCain will win. I remember. :hi:

[Thrill]

36. Why is anyone surprised. I've heard her say that several times on her radio show

.

[marlo]

38. She's been playing the uber pessimist...

since primary season. A few months ago on her radio show, she predicted that Hillary would never concede, and claimed that she would lead her followers in a destructive floor fight at the convention. I think that she doesn't want to be as confident as a lot of people were in '04 about a Kerry win so it won't be such a letdown if McCain does pull it out.

[annabanana]

54. That's why she has a "TALK ME DOWN" segment on her show!!

It's a BIT.. a SCHITCK... get with it folks...

[nosmokes]

40. I belive she was talking about McCaint's won the debate ad

Oh you hadn't heard? mcaint had ads out this morn claiming he won the debate. yeah, the one that hasn't happened yet. The one he hadn't even committed to.

[NYC_SKP]

42. **CONTEXT!!* for fuck sake.

Anyone can pull a string of words out of context and make it seem shocking, (not that you meant to) but was she kidding? did it follow "if x happens, then..."

Unless we have a transcript, or better still a video, this is hard to believe....

If she meant it, we'll hear about it after there's a youtube, until then I don't think she believes it.

:patriot:

[Sebastian Doyle]

51. The context is a fictional book, set in 2011 with McCrazy as president.

It's not what Rachel believes, or what she wants to happen.

[NYC_SKP]

61. Thanks. Makes sense if her guest was an author. nt

[TornadoTN]

45. I don't get the love affair that many have with her here

Let me be clear: She's smart and a very well-read and knowledgeable person. But she doesn't relay the kind of confidence or well-reasoned discussion of the issues at hand when it comes to issues close to heart. There's now way that I believe that Maddow really thinks that McCain will win - but why the hell does she say it?

I just don't get it. The election isn't over and she has no business predicting a winner at this stage.

[Poseidan]

56. one theory:

She is a professional talk-show host. Like in a football game, if the score is 50-0 in the third-quarter, people tend to stop watching (meaning, the networks lose money). When this scenario occurs, does the football commentator tell you, "This game is over, stop watching our commercials.", or, "The trailing team can win this, mathematically... and they just grabbed momentum!"?

[krkaufman]

57. I love her, but she isn't always right or even politically prudent.

She's a net-plus, and for that I'm grateful.

[cliffordu]

46. Bullshit.

[Hansel]

48. She also said Hillary would take the nomination battle all the way

to the convention. I didn't believe her then either.

[chknltl]

50. She used to say stuff like that a few months ago...

I hated it then. She is a smart lady, I wouldn't want to be second guessing her but: When she was doing this Senator Obama had just won the nomination and there was a lot of optimism in the air. Many, (raises hand) were saying landslide for Obama back then. I felt then that what she was saying (predicting a mCcain win), was intended for those, like myself, who believed Senator Obama to be a shoe-in. I've not heard her making such predictions lately and I did not hear this one but, lately, (past 48 hrs) there has been a similar feeling going around. Many are feeling that Obama has this election all wrapped up due to mCcain's current bizarre activities. Anotherwords, maybe she is telling some of us to 'stop celebrating and get back to work!' (Sorry best I got on the topic)

[proud patriot]

53. perhaps she's trying to keep people from being over confident

[endthewar]

55. Maddow has admitted to believing this since the spring. Reason: Long Dem Primary season.

She's said this before. Later, she tried to temper it with pointing out that she was wrong about her prediction of Hillary Clinton taking it to the Convention floor.

[Tutankhamun]

59. If she has one vice as a pundit, it's

her reflexive tendency to expect the worst case scenario. She often winds up playing devil's advocate as a result, but defends her position well.

The slightly panicky, sky is falling attitude seems a calculated part of her persona -- a way to open up a wider range of debate. It makes for more gripping, albeit alarming radio/tv. It also helps put forth a framework for useful contingency planning.

Rachel is one of our greatest pundits and the brightest political media star to rise since Olbermann. She does sometimes need someone to talk her down though, but she's aware of this. The regular segment,"Talk Me Down" where she faces off against a guest debater on her new tv show, couldn't be named better.

[Lady-Damai]

60. WHAAAAAAAAT?!!!!!! WHEN?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I want to hear it with my own EARS!!!!!