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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:39 PM
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THIS WAS ALL PLANNED
I said last month that McCain would throw Bush under the bus in a public fashion. Well, this is it. McCain will come out tomorrow against the bail out and TRY to emerge as the guy on the side of the little people. They feel this is their only way to win. The House Republicans have presented a batshit crazy plan they know Democrats would never agree to. They are trying to make it look as if the Democrats and Obama are on the side of Bush. BushCo KNOWS this plan and is going along with it. It is a very dramatic uprising they are trying to pull off here.

In the meanwhile, you have de facto mergers and acquisitions happening at bargain basement prices to get around any regulatory barriers that might have prevented it.

Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan ended up being the last two investment banks on Wall Street.
Then Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan ended up becoming Commercial Banks
Then JP Morgan buys Washington Mutual deposits and brances, despite WaMu only having about 15 Billion dollars worth of these mortgages


They eliminated competition and got to buy up some prime real estate etc at bargain basement prices.

They basically created this mass hysteria to achieve 3 goals.

1. Create a situation where McCain can separate himself from Bush and appear as a "fiscal conservative" who is on the side of the taxpayer
2. Throw some bones to their friends on Wall Street: Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan
3. Create a so-called crisis that throws everyone in a tizzy, creating this situation so that the media shifts away from McCain's failing campaign and refocuses on the "maverickness" of John McCain, and make Obama look like he is acting outside of the interests of the taxpayer

Now, despite this whole thing being full of shit, this is what they're doing. They're creating market failures simply for a campaign.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:41 PM
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1. IT'S A TRAP!
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:42 PM
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2. What else could all this crazyness be?
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:42 PM
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3. Yep - playing games with people's lives
And I am sure they are hatching yet one more foreign policy escapade before 11/04
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:43 PM
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4. OMG!!!! TRIZZZZAP!!!!! MIHOP
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 09:43 PM by Wolsh
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:43 PM
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5. McBush is really rolling the dice on this pathetic ploy.
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 10:29 PM by AtomicKitten
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:43 PM
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6.  ....and it looks like the Dems are falling for it!
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:48 PM
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9. They aren't falling for it!
There was a disaster and the dems are trying to do something about it. How does McCain win here? Create a huge disaster and then do nothing about it.
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:44 PM
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7. Oh lord.
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:45 PM
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8. If he plans on being on the side of the people...
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 09:46 PM by RichGirl
...then just being against this isn't enough. He'll have to have some kind of solution. He has been calling this a disaster so huge that he had to suspend his campaign. How can he say that he's against the bailout and then do nothing???
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geekgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:51 PM
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10. I tend to agree with you-- I don't think people will fall for this
Especially when so many Americans aren't even sure this bailout is good. I think it is too confusing.

There are so many different things McLame could have done to separate himself from bush. This just doesn't seem like the clearest way.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:52 PM
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11. Sometimes, the enemy just fucks up
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Imperialism Inc. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:03 PM
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12. The only thing that keeps me from thinking that is that, if that were
the case, then McCain would not have made his fundamentals are sound statement. If he knew this thing was coming he probably would have starting talking about it before the bailout deadline came out so he could look prescient. I suppose it is possible this was just a last minute plan B but I doubt it. If he was "in on it" he would have been careful to avoid such statements just in case plan B kicked in. On the other hand there is no question the GOP is trying to manipulate the situation now that it is here. I think you can see hint of what you are talking about even in the seating arrangements today. McCain on the same side of the table as Bush, so as to be in the camera shots, but off to the side. Pelosi and Reid seated flanking Bush on each side to tie them to Bush and his plan.
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Sebass1271 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:24 PM
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16. Not only that
McCain went on O'reilly and said he hasn't seen the bill (a one page bill) and oreilly asked him if he would support the bill.. he said, " ihaven't seen it yet" and this was AFTER the meeting with bush and the congressional members..
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:04 PM
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13. Simple, Dems will not go along with any plan which doesn't have significant GOP support as well
Also, if McCain comes anywhere near the negotiations Dems walk out enmasse.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:05 PM
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14. Clearly, you are right. But it won't work. The media is quick on the uptake (this time) And they are
being exposed. McPanic is going down folks.
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:21 PM
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15. If these guys are such astounding evil geniuses...
...that they know exactly how to make the shit hit the fan with precision results, then you might as well give up and welcome your new Evil Overlords. You're yelling "It's a trap!" has already been accounted for in their diabolical scheme, and will avail you naught.

Back in reality, however...

No one -- not Bush, not Cheney, not Rove, not some other behind-the-scenes Machiavellian puppeteer -- knows exactly how the cards are going to fall when you knock the house of cards over. Anyone stupid enough to think they're that smart might cause a lot of harm to a lot of people, but only dumb luck is going to get them the results they're hoping for.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:30 PM
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17. Unfortunately for John McCain, he picked the wrong
situation to play politics with and tomorrow when the market plummets to the floor, people aren't going to be seeing McCain the Mavrick. They will be seeing McCain the asshole who derailed the negotiations for political reasons, caused market confidence to crash and the stock market to collapse.

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