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danielet Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 10:08 AM
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Are the Dems passive sheep at the viter fraud slaughter in NJ?
bellow is an e-mail I got from a fellow Democrat--- PLEASE DEAL WITH IT!!!!


BEFORE YOU VOTE YOU NEED TO KNOW THIS

>From Ring of Fire with Mike Papantonio and Robert Kennedy Jr. Sept. 20, 2008)

Bobby: "There are about 30 scams the republicans are deliberately using, particularly in the swing states to get democratic voters off the rolls. These scams originate in the so-called Help America Vote Act which was passed after the Florida debacle in the year 2000. It was originally suggested by democrats and republicans but it was passed by a republican congress with a republican senate and a republican president. And instead of reforming what happened in Florida it basically institutionalized all the problems that happened in Florida. And institutionalized a series of impediments that make it very difficult for democrats to register, for democrats to vote and then for democrats to have their vote counted.

"One of these requirements under HAVA is called "the perfect match" and what that does is little known but it is devastating. A quarter of the voters in Colorado have just been removed from the rolls because of this--just this one scam. And what it does is they use a computer system to compare your registration application to all other government records of you in the state. So they'll look at your social security records, your motor vehicle records and any time you've had any interaction with the government and if there is any information on your voter registration that is different than the information on another government record that they find they remove you from the voting rolls.

"For example, if I registered as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and yet my motor vehicle license said Robert Frances Kennedy Jr. I'd be removed from the rolls. If your initial is different, if you leave an initial out, if you leave a "Jr." out, if you leave a hyphen out in your name. And what they've done is a study in New York that said 80% of the errors are errors that were done by state clerks who are taking down this information. And particularly immigrant communities that people tend to vote democratic, people have names…spell Muhammad with an "o" instead of a "u" (crosstalk)

Pap: "Are the democrats suing to stop this?"

Bobby: "No, the democrats are doing nothing to stop it. In New Jersey, which is a swing state, 300,000 voters in New Jersey were just sent letters saying that they are now ineligible to vote. New jersey is nice enough to actually notify them--most states will not even notify them. And New Jersey intends to send out 870,000 letters so that is three quarters of a million people off the voting rolls in a state that could decide this vote by 50,000 votes. And these are democrats that are being pushed off the rolls.

Bobby: "Let me tell you about one other of these scams people should know about. If you're a newly registered voter--and of course the democrats have done these gigantic registration drives--12 million people on registration--if you're a new voter you MUST include your license or some other state I.D. when you come to vote. What that means is that if you're a college kid (and college kids now--they're sending in absentee ballots--they're not going to the voting place, they do everything online or they do everything remotely--they don't dream of going to the precinct house voting on election day and waiting in a long line) so if they send in the absentee ballot and they don't include a color copy of their license their vote is going to be thrown into a trash can. And none of these people know this because you have had to read the law in order to know it. So there is no notification for when you fill out your registration form, so all of those 12 million people that the democrats have registered: those ballots are going to be just thrown out.

Pap: "And if democrats won't talk about this how the hell's anybody gonna know about it? I'm involved with this kind of thing every day--I didn't know that until you just told me. The media is not talking about it. How in the hell is somebody gonna find this out? It's just incredible.

Bobby: "Hopefully--Obama is getting 66 million dollars a month--hopefully somebody in the democratic organization is going to pay some attention to this before election day.
http://airamerica.com/content/broadcast-ri...
(it is the first thing they discuss in the show)

(Bobby has a piece that he worked on with Greg Palast that will be in the October 17 issue of Rolling Stone)

THIS IS FROM HAVA (HELP AMERICA VOTE ACT)
2) Requirements.-- (A) In general.--An individual meets the requirements of this paragraph if the individual-- (i) in the case of an individual who votes in person-- (I) presents to the appropriate State or local election official a current and valid photo identification; or (II) presents to the appropriate State or local election official a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter; or (ii) in the case of an individual who votes by mail, submits with the ballot-- (I) a copy of a current and valid photo identification; or (II) a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter. (B) Fail-safe voting.-- (i) In person.--An individual who desires to vote in person, but who does not meet the requirements of subparagraph (A)(i), may cast a provisional ballot under section 302(a). (ii) By mail.--An individual who desires to vote by mail but who does not meet the requirements of subparagraph (A)(ii) may cast such a ballot by mail and the ballot shall be counted as a provisional ballot in accordance with section 302(a).
http://www.fec.gov/hava/law_ext.txt
(that means your vote will be thrown out!)

REMEMBER:
1. VOTE
2. VOTE IN PERSON (IF POSSIBLE)
3. DON'T VOTE EARLY (IF POSSIBLE)
4. VOTE ON A PAPER BALLOT (NO MACHINE IF YOU HAVE A CHOICE)
5. BRING AN "VALID" I.D. (IF POSSIBLE)
6. IF YOU HAVE TO VOTE ABSENTEE ENCLOSE A COLOR COPY OF CURRENT LICENSE OR OTHER OTHER "VALID" (STATE?) I.D. OR OTHER DOCUMENTATION LISTED ABOVE.



let's not get fucked over again!
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 10:11 AM
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1. K/R.
:kick:
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 10:34 AM
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2. k&r
(You might want to change the spelling in the title--I'm not being snarky here, but I almost didn't click on this because I didn't know what a "viter" was.)

This is hugely serious and scary. I wish I could R this a million times.
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danielet Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:18 PM
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5. Sorry misspelling "voter" due to panic attack!
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:28 PM
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7. it really is terrifying, isn't it?
Everything that's been done over the past eight or four or two years, depending on when you start counting, to get a Democrat into the White House again could be foiled on November 4th by something like this.

All the pro-Obama feeling, all the polls going up for us and down for McCain, all the prayers of most of the world and the wishes of the majority in what is still supposed to be a democracy... it all could count for nothing. It's beyond epochal.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 10:37 AM
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3. We need to fight fire with fire.
It's time for us to start compiling our own caging lists, and start targeting Republican districts. Start challenging Republican voters using the same tactics they're using.

You want these underhanded tactics made illegal fast? Make sure they suffer as much as we do.
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TooBigaTent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 10:44 AM
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4. Exactly! And there are other techniques that can be used to target repuke voters.
"By any means necessary" should be our guide.
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danielet Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:19 PM
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6. I am a refugee from Communism because of this stuff in 1946, beware!
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