Why are there currently so many posts about older white woman that won't vote for Obama.

[Dawgs]

I just read four of them. What gives?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7101370&mesg_id=7101370

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7100992&mesg_id=7100992

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7101454&mesg_id=7101454 (man, not woman)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7091702&mesg_id=7091702

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Polls show, or recently showed...

a large chunck of (racist) white women swinging from Obama to McCain.

Don't know if that still holds up.

Things are moving fast.

[AndyTiedye]

3. Show Them This Ad by Defenders of Wildlife

https://secure.defenders.org/site/Donation2?idb=0&df_id=1547&1547.donation=form1&s_src=6JY08WDC4F&s_subsrc=6JY08WDC4F_EJI08D1web&JServSessionIdr012=65hn2ot2t1.app26a

[kerry-is-my-prez]

23. Some might be racists but not all. Some are doing it out of spite.

I think this Palin thing is bringing some of the pissed off Hillary people to Obama. I know of two women who switched after Palin was chosen. Neither one is a racist - the racist explanation is a bit simplistic.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

50. Nah, they're all racist.

Doing it out of spite is not a valid excuse for racism.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

24. Some might be racists but not all. Some are doing it out of spite.

I think this Palin thing is bringing some of the pissed off Hillary people to Obama. I know of two women who switched after Palin was chosen. Neither one is a racist - the racist explanation is a bit simplistic.

[lukasahero]

56. So if they swing back (i.e. - you "don't know if that still holds up")

are they still racist?

[bemildred]

2. Astroturf? nt

[JuniperLea]

4. I hope this plot backfires on the GOP

And women rush to Obama in droves!

For the record, virtually ALL the "old" white women I know are voting for Obama... oh... and all the black women too... just so you know.

[Arkansas Granny]

8. This "old" white woman is voting for Obama and several other "old" white women I know

are doing the same. I have never considered voting for McCain.

[JuniperLea]

51. Just cuz we're "old" white women...

Doesn't mean we're stupid. This is what we are being told by this sort of hogwash, and I for one and damn tired of being insulted.

[Inkyfuzzbottom]

5. Because it's true?

I spent a couple of hours this evening at my local county Democratic HQ making calls. I noticed a definite trend. I live in a predominantly white county south of Kansas City, Missouri that is fairly rural and still has many redneck types that have lived here for generations. In my calling I found that many of the men of all ages were planning to vote for Obama. Most of the women I spoke with were voting for McCain, especially the 50 plus women. Out of all the calls my favorite was a 49 year old woman that lives in the trashiest trailer park in the county. Her grammar was atrocious as she bellowed to me in her heavy drinker, cigarette smoking voice "Ain't no way I'ma vote for that you know what, that BAY-ROCK O-BAMMA!" I can report that it appears the rural, uneducated white female vote appears to be going for McCain.

[Sebastian Doyle]

7. Yeah, but dumb FAUX sheeple like that voted for Chimp in the last two elections

So that's not exactly a loss.

[yardwork]

20. I have a feeling that that particular one isn't registered to vote.

[scheming daemons]

6. Astroturfing.... follow-up to the famous Hillary supporter that endorsed McCain today

Every time the other side dips in the polls, the trolls come out in large numbers over here.


Couple that with the fact that FR is having problems tonight, and they are bored.

[Eyes_wide_ open]

32. *ding ding ding*

We have a winner.

Every time our numbers go up ... like clockwork, we have a rash of the suddenly "concerned" :eyes:

[undeterred]

9. Warning: gross generalization

Redneck old white women are still less sexist and racist than redneck old white men. We got em here in Wisconsin and I have a lot more hope for the female population than the male. And thank God for the secret ballot too.

[Inkyfuzzbottom]

11. I'm only reporting what I experienced...

hopefully it's not that widespread. But it certainly is depressing to live among the stupid.

[undeterred]

12. Wisconsin and Missouri might be different.

People can live a lifetime here without actually seeing a black person.

[livedemocarticordie]

10. What dont you get?

The reality is the majority of older white people do not vote democratic period. Most of them vote republican. The older amd whiter, the more republican they vote. That's just a fact.Add in the fact that Obama is young, ivy educated and black and well there we have it............. Now this election cycle older citizens especially women who live longer and are statistically more impoverished than older men might actually want to vote their own interest for once especially considering the impact McCain/Palin would have on their social security, pension funds and falling housing market... We'll see....

[Ewellian]

31. That's simply false...

according to this Pew Research report. Older folks, especially women are more Democratic than Republican.

http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=750

Older Americans are more Democratic than Republican in their party affiliation, while younger people are about equally divided between the parties. And as has long been true, younger people also are substantially less likely to identify with any political party.

Women in every age group are more Democratic than Republican, with the largest gaps occurring among those age 60 and older. But Democrats also have a big advantage among young women (ages 18-24) and Baby Boomers.

[Dawgs]

45. I get that older people vote Republican. What I couldn't understand was the # of posts all at time.

Understand?

[seabeyond]

13. older married white women have tended to go repug. not new. not a revelation

but msm, repugs and people on the board are pretending not to know/remember/understand and saying it is pima.... and it isnt

on edit: there are still tons and tons of older white married woman voting dems

[Dawgs]

46. The OP was about the # of posts, not that they vote republican.

[seabeyond]

48. yes now, lets think it through

the reason there is a number of post about white women is people are shocked, shocked at this "new" phenomenon of older married white women voting repug. so the answer MUST be that the dont like obama and voting for female palin.... ergo the big story a couple days ago msm was pumping it out repeatedly as IF it was all new. but it was not new, hence my post to op about white women post. du being manipulated by msm

btw.... polls shifting on that.

[progressiveforever]

14. It's personal now...vote Obama or stay the f**k away from me

I want nothing to do with any repuke voter

[GoldenOldie]

15. BS

I'm really old, and all my old female friends are supporting Obama. We have gone through the woman's movement and been recipients of lower pay than our male counterparts........we get it. The only elderly white females supporting McCain are the "Stepford Wives," who never had an independent thought of their own.

[Eyes_wide_ open]

34. Hear Hear! n/t

[magdalena]

42. Agree 100%

My 80 year old grandmother has been a lifelong repug. I have not so fond memories of her even making me volunteer for them when I was a young child. Fed up with 1st term bushy, she completely surprised me by voting Kerry in '04. I thought her attitude would change this year since she unfortunately is quite racist. I nearly fainted when I recently spoke with her and she told me she is firmly supporting Obama. She realizes how much the repug party has ravaged our country to hell. She said she admires how articulate and inspirational Obama is. Believe me, if someone as stubborn as my grandmother feels this way I'm sure there are many, many others. Don't discount these "old, rich, white women". There is MUCH hope.

[LWolf]

16. Why are you telling Dawgs to

"vote Obama, or stay the fuck away" from you?

This thread, and the threads linked, aren't about Dawgs not voting for Obama.

I can tell it's personal for you; perhaps too personal?

[progressiveforever]

22. Read what the threads say

Especially the original one---yeah, I re-iteratewhat I said before---vote Obama or fall off the earth

[LWolf]

52. At a quick glance I don't see

Dawgs, anywhere in that thread, saying he won't vote for Obama.

So I reiterate: why are you telling Dawgs to vote for Obama or <insert threat>?

In fact, you just said it to me, too.

Is that your reason to be at DU? To go after fellow DUers with threats like "vote for Obama or fall off the earth?"

Not exactly an effective way to win votes for Obama, let alone team up with fellow Democrats to help Obama win, lol. What kind of difference are you thinking that demanding that fellow Democrats "vote for Obama or...." on an internet message board is going to make for his campaign?

[Dawgs]

47. I understand what you're saying, and I agree with you.

:toast:

[FrenchieCat]

17. Attempts to demoralize us!

because..... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6996468

[cliffordu]

18. My lovely wife cleans houses for over a dozen "older" women -

like 60-85 years old - and they are ALL voting Obama -

Most are LIVID at McCain's cynical attempt to play ovarian politics. To a woman they HATE palin.

The spousal unit talks politics with all of them.

[patomime]

21. Ovarian Politics - good one!

Now stay away from my ovaries -- and anything else on my "old" ----errr---- somewhat older body.

I don't know what we're considering old - maybe I missed something.

Women are not stupid--we're voting for Obama, because we're the best thinkers!!!!!.


THE END

:spank:

[MadMaddie]

19. I am guessing many of those women are part of tthe 30% Repug

base that would have never voted for a Dem. So nothing alarming and nothing new. The newly registered voters outnumber these voters.

[vaberella]

25. If you notice majority of the OPs mentioned race was involved

Or they were former PUMAS. In any event the White vote is what is catered too if anyone pays attention to MSM, pundits, and politicians.

I've said this before but I'll say it again: Michelle Obama is not a woman voter, she's part of the Black vote. Lisa Sanchez, for all her Republican shilling, isn't a woman voter, she's part of the Hispanic vote. Obama's sister is not a woman voter, she's the Asian vote. There is race and gender at play here. The pundits when they claim Obama doesn't have the woman's vote they are speaking of White women who dominate the racial/gender demographic making up 33% of the vote since Whites in America are roughly 66% (dating back to 2002 stats). Black female are 5% of the 10% Black vote, Hispanic women are the 10% or 7.5% of the 15%-20% Latin vote, and Asian women are 2.5% of the 5% vote that make up Asian peoples. This vote is very very important to look at and this is why they are the focus.

This is not an attack but a focus on the racial and gender divide perpetuated by pundits, MSM, politicians and definitely the Republican/McCain campaign.

[Kind of Blue]

41. vaberella wrote, "This is not an attack but a focus on the racial and gender divide perpetuated by

pundits, MSM, politicians and definitely the Republican/McCain campaign."

Right on! And it's been used effectively since the beginning of suffrage when the movement was one of unity among blacks and white women. I don't understand why many here take it so personally by referring to personal accounts, because those stats are not talking about you. You are great. You should be commended for not voting vagina. But to write off the question when it makes sense to get specific within that demographic is folly. I don't agree that it's about spite. Spite based on what? That Obama is a fantastic candidate?

Issues do not matter to those white women because they feel it is their turn. And this is funny because this idea not new. Ironically, the wait your turn idea was one of the effective reasons to deny all women voting rights when passing the 15th Amendment, allowing only black men the right. Then in order to get the 19 amendment passed, white female suffrage re-aligned itself with white supremacy (in both Parties) and abandoned the rational on which the movement was even based. We know what happened after that: poll tax, grandfather clause, literacy tests, intimidation, humiliation, threats, and deaths. To me, there is an interesting parallel here that doesn't normally surface. It's whose turn is it all over again and once again it's between white female and black male. You know, I can't imagine that that original slap in the face of the 15th Amendment and the subsequent long struggle to get the 19th amendment is not somehow a part of those white women's psyches.

I don't think we can take history out of the equation - as happened then, it's happening now. It almost feel as if Clinton and Obama are the reincarnation of Susan B. Anthony and Frederick Douglas, both friends fighting the same fight until the great racial and gender divide.

[NashVegas]

44. What This Is, Is Marketing Tactics, Pure and Simple

White, male, rock radio has been doing it since the 1980s. "Not like us? Must be assholes."

[JeffR]

26. Latest scapegoat demographic to cover for election fraud, but

older white women, more than enough of them anyway, rock. And they're gonna be a key factor in Obama winning. Wait & see.

[samuraiguppy]

27. they are wrong--the polls show women

swinging back to Obama. They took a look at the vagina on the other side--then they said -- no thanks!

[DonMeyer]

28. Mole Talking Points?

Republican polls released today say 25% more married women are voting for McCain/Palin than Obama/Biden.

Personaly I find that hard to believe, did they limit the poll to Colorado Springs?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

29. ...

[McCamy Taylor]

30. Because 4 old white chicks wont vote for him? Because Freepers do not understand statistics?

Because four posts on a message board are not a representative sample of a population, anymore than a flood of emails to a commercial sponsor are representative of public opinion.

If someone meets these Freepers, tell them I want to start a poker game. I need some extra cash.

:headbang:

[progressivebydesign]

33. I think it's a concentrated effort. I think they're BS. n/t

[Imagevision]

35. Because "old white women" make up a huge number of the baby boomers who are Mccains age...

[Lilith Velkor]

36. Shit-stirrers, stirring shit.

[Lugnut]

37. This older white woman is voting Obama.

If the others aren't they are nitwits.

[Imagevision]

38. But not ALL older white women are voting for mccain...

[girl_interrupted]

39. Yet its Men who are more likely to vote for Palin than Women

Sarah Palin, man magnet:

Republican John McCain's choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate was intended to lure women voters, but it's the guys who are actually getting hooked, new polls show.

One CNN survey this week found that 62% of men have a favorable opinion of Palin - nine points higher than women.

Similarly, 57% of men believe Palin is qualified to be vice president, compared with only 43% among women.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/09/13/2008-09-13_sarah_palin_man_magnet_mccains_veep_pick.html

[harry_pothead]

43. Most of the Palin gender gap

is because men are more likely to be Republicans in general, not because of Palin's vagina.

[NashVegas]

49. Right

It has nothing to do with her relative youth and great looks. Men would never be so foolish as to be persuaded to vote against their interests by someone who looks like the naughty librarian of a porn video, any more than they would vote against their interests because they were drawn to an alpha-male.

[Imagevision]

40. Palin's act is starting to look like the same old repeated joke (yawn-you know?)

[Orsino]

53. Because older white men are just assumed to be McCain's, I guess. n/t

[auburngrad82]

54. My mother is 68 and says she'll vote for Obama. nt

[Meshuga]

55. It's funny how there is always a label for them

First they were Hockey Moms or Hillary Voters.

Then, when most people realized that these were bullshit labels they became Walmart Moms.

But the truth is that these women should be called "Republican Moms" because that's what they are. And talking about them as a factor is a waste of time since they will vote for anybody who runs on the Republican ticket that can beat Obama.

The media tries to come up with drama do they use these stupid labels that are meaningless.