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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:04 PM
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Help convince my friend BUSH is resposible for the stock market
My friend, a Republican, is a big investor. Obviously, he is not at all happy with the way things are going.

He normally votes Republican due to the stock market. I have been trying to convince him Bush has been responsible, but he doesn't believe so. He thinks it is something that just happens due to inflation every couple decades, and the President doesn't have much control over it.

This could easily impact his vote. Please help me to convince him McCain would be awful for stocks!

Honestly, I don't know too much about this issue, which is why I want to ask here first.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:04 PM
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1. De regulation. Look up McCain's votes. Too little too late for McCain.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:05 PM
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2. Find what Greenspan said about this
the worst crisis in a hundred years. This is not a normal downturn

And it is due to deregulation
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:08 PM
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5. and Greenspan has a big role in this as well, no one loved shitty mortgages more than him.
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/deregulation-saved-america-greenspan-says/story.aspx?guid=%7BF914346C-EBEF-4EF0-BA60-F1E9AB783508%7D

"New financial products have enabled risk to be dispersed more effectively to those willing, and presumably able, to bear it," he said. "Shocks to the overall economic system are accordingly less likely to create cascading credit failure."

ayup.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:09 PM
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6. I know, bless his heart, hie lived long enough to see the result of his handiwork
I hope the a-hole can sleep at night
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:11 PM
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10. and now he has the cajones to come out and actually speak? He really needs to
crawl back into his turtle shell and STFU. I get so mad when i see him on tv.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:18 PM
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13. But he could be priceless with folks like the one the OP referred to
he has his uses... as few as they are
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:05 PM
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3. "He normally votes Republican due to the stock market."
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:10 PM
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7. awesome chart! I will send that to him asap
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:08 PM
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4. If he knows what he's doing, then he KNOWS that the DJIA goes UP more under DEMS than REPS
Edited on Wed Sep-17-08 07:08 PM by Lefty48197
I don't have time to look up a link but it's a fact. You can look it up.
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:11 PM
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9. I don't think he really does
Edited on Wed Sep-17-08 07:12 PM by adoraz
he is pretty young, and doesn't know much about the history of the stock market. He just assumes some things.

He thinks because Republicans are big business, they are best for the stock market.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:19 PM
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14. I found my source:
It's post #3 directly above mine.
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:10 PM
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8. Deregulation +Greenspan's Easy Money Policy + Inaction On Energy
Any growth under Bush was purely due to the mortgage industry abuses, which lead Americans to use their homes as piggy banks.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:12 PM
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11. Everything Bush has deregulated has been a disaster, Energy.. Telecoms.. you name it
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:14 PM
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12. oh, one of his talking points
that he heard from a friend-

It is the fault of the liberal congress.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:31 PM
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15. Check out this thread too
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:31 PM
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16. PHIL GRAMM...
...the chief economic advisor to John McCain's campaign, was the principal author of the GRAMM-LEACH-BLILEY ACT, that de-regulated the financial industry and rolled back protections that have been in place since the New Deal.

That is the root of the present crisis.

And yes, Bush would have been on that side of the fence, had he been in Congress at the time.
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benevolente Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:32 PM
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17. Of course. Bush advocates de-regulation
And de-regulation is one key element that has encouraged CEO's to do whatever they want because they know they will be bailed out by Bush and his cronies. Bush is in great part to blame for all this mess.
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