keyes attacks cheney's daughter for being gay

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This is from drudge (don't worry, I always shower after I go to his site):

Keyes Criticizes Cheney's Lesbian Daughter
Tue Aug 31 2004 23:04:55 ET

Alan Keyes, the Republican candidate for a vacant U.S. Senate seat in Illinois, said Tuesday that Vice President Dick Cheney's daughter Mary is a "selfish hedonist" because she is a lesbian.

His comments came during an interview with OutQ, a satellite radio station.

Keyes said: "The essence of ... family life remains procreation. If we embrace homosexuality as a proper basis for marriage, we are saying that it's possible to have a marriage state that in principal excludes procreation and is based simply on the premise of selfish hedonism."

Asked whether that meant Mary Cheney "is a selfish hedonist," Keyes said: "That goes by definition. Of course she is."

So does Chimpy or Cheney go to Illinois and appear on a podium with this guy?

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[swag]

1. We hired this guy, right?

[Cha]

14. You think the Dems would be that

Devious? }(

[LSK]

55. LOL good one

[jonnyblitz]

64. yup, we hired Steve Baldwin also. another WACKJOB! n/t

[Ilsa]

2. So, why isn't Keyes having a baby every year?

Come on, procreate! No sex unless you are procreating!

[onenote]

4. now i have to take another shower n/t

[Maat]

6. uh-oh...i think my husband and i have been selfish hedonists...

n/t

[kimchi]

33. Yes, and so are all our elders.

Those who can no longer bear children are selfish hedonists too. Lets put all the old men in one camp and all the old women in another. When they can no longer do the menial jobs we assign, we'll kill them.

Can you tell I just watched "The Handmaid's Tale" for a third time?

[jdj]

7. I'll love it when this guy is outed.

[Cha]

15. LOL!

[Algorem]

40. and him and Bill Kristol were roomates in college so....

[okieinpain]

29. you're damn right, if the bastard is soooooo pro christian and soooo

into following the scriptures. why is the bastard using protection. or is he going to say that they only have sex when they are planning on getting pregnant.

[IndianaGreen]

38. I love Alan Keyes!

Keyes is the sort of throwback to the Dark Ages in Europe when people were burned at the stake for practicing witchcraft and for heresy.

I love Alan Keyes because everytime he open his mouth he scares the hell out of people, including many Republicans. Obama will win in a bipartisan landslide!

[Swamp Rat]

60. He reminds me of a Moorish slave that I saw in a painting in Austria.

In the painting, the slave was de-fleshing a martyr for his European masters.

[Massacure]

3. lol, they do a pretty good job at attacking each other.

[AlCzervik]

13. Let the implosion begin!

[jdj]

5. Poor Cheney.

That's what happens when you throw the F-word around carelessly. It doesn't mean anything when you REALLY need it.

[Cha]

18. This thread is cracking me up for some

inexplicable reason! }(

[Southsideirish]

8. Today is one of those days I feel like the world is unraveling

there is so much going on even a news junkie like me can't absorb it all.

[Fenris]

9. Are we going to send him a thank you when Obama humiliates him?

You just can't make this shit up.

[Cha]

21. No! Ya can't "just make this

shit up"!}(

[barb162]

49. I would not waste the stamp

on this extremist. That is not to say, however, that I don't go his web site's discussion board to piss off his reactionary followers. His followers believe he represents god and that he is fighting against evil Obama.

[sffreeways]

10. Of course he did

if this guy isn't a closet case I'm straight.

I love the procreation argument. Like people become infertile immediately upon declaring their homosexuality.

And of course couples that choose not to have children are invalid.

And the right calls this guy an intellectual. Ha!

[Booster]

32. My Republican mother (don't get me started)

said something along the same lines - she said she doesn't believe in homosexual marriage because all gays and lesbians are doing is "playing with each other for sexual pleasure", and, of course, my reply "isn't that what straight people do after they've had their tubes tied or a vasectomy, or using condoms?" stopped her dead in her tracks.

[sffreeways]

35. My partner

just brought me a bowl of ice cream and kissed me on the head and went to bed. Does her selfish hedonism have no end ?

[5thGenDemocrat]

34. Mr. B, one of the adults in the neighborhood when I was growing up,

Was gay. Didn't stop him either from being married or fathering eleven children.
John
About half of whom are gay and half of whom aren't. The eleventh could be bi, as far as I know. Mr B "came out," oh, fifteen years ago -- to the surprise of absolutely no one.
Can't speak to Alan Keyes, but I don't see what marriage and sexuality have to do with one another.

[pschoeb]

53. The thought of Alan Keyes as a gay man

might be enough to make me become straight ;)

Personally, I don't think he is attracted to anything other than the sound of his own pompous voice. I'm pretty sure he masturbates to the archived tapes of his old radio or TV show.

[Old and In the Way]

11. So can we assume that Dick and Lynn are failures as parents?

I really think Mr. Keyes needs to comment further.

[kanrok]

12. Who else agrees that Keyes is "on the down low?"

[slojim240]

30. OK, I'm in.

Waving my hand. :hi:

[JohnDoe1]

57. That's Insulting

I wouldn't give people on the "down low" a bad name like that.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

63. I wouldn't put Keyes in any caategory that good people might be in

:puke:

[bluestateguy]

16. I wonder what he would think if someone called him the n-word

I wouldn't do it, but I would not criticize people who do. He has brought such invective on himself.

[AntiCoup2K4]

27. Given the comments Keyes was making when he jumped in the race...

...he'd probably try to turn it around and claim at least he's a REAL n-word, unlike Obama! :eyes:

[FDRrocks]

17. Why is he even wasting his time?

Is there some kinda black box voting rig going on up there... does this guy actually think he can win legitimately?

[JLucas4092]

24. Why?

You've gotta understand. The man gets what, 7% of the vote most of the time? He figures against Obama, he might be able to TRIPLE that all the way to 21%! That'd be a HUGE victory for him.

You chase that dream Alan!

[FDRrocks]

25. Haha Welcome to DU!

You sound like a regular already :) :) :)

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thanks!

[JLucas4092]

42. It's a special bitterness....

A bitterness that comes from living in towns for the first 21 years of your life where when the Repub gets 30% of the vote, it's a victory.

[barb162]

51. When he keeps his face in the news

his followers give more donations. He has a mansion in MD he has to keep up.

[iamjoy]

19. At Least Keyes Is Honest

Most Republicans won't admit they really feel the same about homosexuals.

When Conservatives make statements like this, they truly hurt me - I feel personally insulted. As I am unable to bear children, is my marriage somehow not as good because procreation is now excluded? Is he a "selfish hedonist" to stay married to me rather than to divorce me for a real (fertile) woman?

I am so saddened and angry when I hear things like this.
And I don't just think of myself, I feel bad for same sex couples who love each other and only want the same rights as other citizens, to be treated like everyone else.

[Cha]

22. A little too "honest" for his own good. That's republicans do

is Lie..so it that respect it is refreshing.

Wondering what ol cheney head is thinking right now?

[put out]

45. Don't be insulted and hurt.

I can't tell you how to feel, of course, and I wish things were as you would want them to be. I too, don't one effing bit appreciate the quality of my long-time partnership reduced to whether or not the sex we have is designed to make children. Who in the wide world would presume to make that kind of judgment upon other people when they are simply trying to love each other and take care of each other? Gender and age and financial circumstances and desires for a fulfilling future and health issues simply put us on the margins and deprive us of a legally protected union with our loved ones? Fuck that.

Here is my idea, not original.

So Alan, sing it out! Say it loud! Say it often! Over and over! We can foster every media; TV, internet, print, radio, to get your message across. I think every dipshit in this country needs to hear precisely what the wonderful Republican party comes up with in a pinch.

Um, by "pinch" I'm not talking about a B.M.

Or, am I? It's late

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[EST]

47. Keyes...honest...?

Please do take a little time (I have), and listen to one of his harangues through a couple of times. Honesty doesn't even get to present itself. There is so much psychotic bowel movement swirling around in his mental swamp, I find myself holding my breath a little. I've tried to examine that and haven't come up with any thing conclusive, but it is still there and it's palpable. Definitely repulsive with a kind of fascination... Not lying, exactly, but absolutely not honest.

[iamjoy]

61. Honest On This Issue

I mean, this is what the majority of Republicans feel, that if sex isn't don't to procreate it is selfish and hedonistic. They just won't say it. They'd probably deny it if you asked them, but deep down, this is the message.

What scares me is not that Alan Keyes may be a Republican whack job but that he may be a mainstream Republican.

[punpirate]

20. Keyes still thinks...

... he represents the mainstream. The polls say otherwise.

Obama will probably get four times as many votes as does Alan.

That won't stop him from saying the same ol' shit he's been spouting for years.

Keyes is too stupid to realize he's already lost the election, let alone realize he's a lost soul.

In the `60s, there was an expression that made a lot of sense: cream rises. Obama is rising, Keyes is sinking.

[barb162]

46. I heard him being interviewed yesterday

and he said he believed he could win and that he didn't believe the polling company figures. He wanted to know what % of people were being polled, like % liberals, moderates, etc. The pollers would not supply the info. He does say he represents the mainstream and that Obama is an left wing extremist. (He never mentions why his 4 past runs for office never get many voters).

[punpirate]

54. That Keyes doesn't believe the polling...

... doesn't surprise me--it's the classic Repug tactic to act as the injured party, as the disenfranchised in the contest.

Keyes has about the same association with Illinois as Bush has with the truth, but that won't stop him from persisting. When he loses, he'll bitch and moan for about a day, and then move back to Maryland, from whence he came. And, though it need not be said, they're welcome to him.

[barb162]

58. Keyes is a true jerk

but he represents the antichoice, religious right, anti- separation of church of state, pro gun, etc crowd so well, they keep him in his mansion and they keep him going. There are a lot of these people out there, something I did not know 2 years ago. Illinois will turn him out but he will just resurrect himself somewhere else. I don't like the way he is bashing Obama, all the damn lies time after time he gets in front of a camera. It is the same way Bush has won. So to me Keyes is a very dangerous fellow; he has that very solid base and it keeps getting larger as the country is tending to shift right from the center. He won't make it in Illinois this time, but somewhere else in 2 years, I wouldn't put it past him that he wins a congressional seat somewhere.

[GiovanniC]

23. Cheney vs. Keyes -- Who the Hell Do You Root For?

It's like Alien vs. Predator, you know? Acid spit and all.

[JI7]

28. in many ways Cheney is worse since he supports the bigots

knowing his own daughter is a lesbian.

[mitchum]

44. Hell, his own daughter SUPPORTS the bigots...

she's working for the campaign.
Fuck her and the PT Cruiser she rode in on

[Djinn]

26. current world population stats

kinda suggest that it's the folks with kids that are selfish.

[Norquist Nemesis]

31. Uh oh!!! He better not get into a private plane

any time soon. He may go the way of previous enemies.

[w13rd0]

36. So, for anyone asking themselves...

..."Considering how BushCo attacked McCain's daughter, Clinton's daughter, Kerry's wife, how would they react to a vicious attack on one of their own?" - now don't let the chirping crickets reveal any hypocrisy.

What a quandry for Dick. Tell Keyes to go Cheney himself and blow that token opportunity to take a "rising star" of the Democratic party down a few notches with an attempted circus, OR sit quietly and sneer and hope Rove can prevent anyone from running commercials with the "august Alan Keyes" pronouncing Cheney an "unChristian parent and his wife a selfish hedonist"...

[ComerPerro]

37. So, married couples that can't have children are living in sin?

Hmm...

[barb162]

52. I think in that case they are supposed to adopt

per the great wise one. (The self-appointed/ anointed wise one)

[Sydnie]

39. Somebody better cancel Doles Viagra script then!

According to Keyes, he would be the poster child for Heterosexual Hedonism!

[Geo55]

41. They must be SO happy they were able

to dredge this reptilian creature up for the the Illinios race.
Amusing...he is their TRUE reflection ....the one they keep in the closet.
What a sad little scared human he is....as are most of the luddites he represents.

[EST]

50. Yeah, yeah, that's the concept I was searching for

reptillian... Cheny is just mean, fucking evil, vicious, absolutely no milk of real human kindness. Keyes, on the other hand is a sort of dark, skinny creature flying, screaming thinly, in the night. Oh f***it, I give up.

[mitchum]

43. Opportunist VS opportunist...

they are both loathsome

[barb162]

48. since Keyes is trying to drum up money

from the national guys for this IL race, I don't think this was the smartest thing to say.

[BrewerJohn]

56. OK, this is just too good

Never mind "you can't make this stuff up", you can't even buy it for any amount of money I've heard of.

I think that after the R party implodes, we should keep Keyes around just for the humor value. In a rubber room, of course.

[NickB79]

59. Listen up all you post-menopausal women and sterile people

Keyes basically just said gay marriage is selfish because gay men and women can't have biological children of their own (well, technically even that isn't true with lesbian couples using sperm donors). Does this also mean that any woman who has gone through menopause, or any man or woman who is sterile, should also be denied a marriage license? After all, if you can ban two men from marrying by saying they can't have children, why should my mom, who had a hysterectomy 5 yrs ago, be allowed to remarry?

[terrya]

62. This brings up an interesting contradiction about this point.

This idea that marriage is strictly for procreation.

Are the childless heterosexual marriages (those couples who either can't or won't have children) then invalidated under Mr. Keyes' thinking? For instance, same-sex marriage opponent Pat Buchanan. The Buchanans are childless. Is their marriage invalid under this "marriage is for procreation only" concept?

[Cascadian]

65. Keyes already lost the race to Obama.

He is just burying himself, isn't he? Let's watch the spectacle of him losing big time.



John