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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:51 AM
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Obama needs to get off this lobbyist bullshit because NOBODY cares
most people could care less he needs to hit Mcsane on his voting against the Martin Luther King holiday and other bills hes supported.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:53 AM
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1. I care...
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gizmo1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:41 AM
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24. Me too.nt
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:54 AM
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2. In the American peoples minds...
A lobbyist means this guy... and that is a good thing for us.

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:54 AM
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3. I disagree. It points out how much of a liar McCain is. It's all McCain talks about besides war.
Edited on Sun Sep-14-08 09:55 AM by ClarkUSA
Obama attacking McCain's strong suits (aka. "Straight Talk Express" and "Maverick" branding), which is very smart.
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maseman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:55 AM
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4. Lobbyists have become bad words
Maybe the very uninformed will not know but many people do.
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Boz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:56 AM
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5. Um yeah, Lets focus on race thats the ticket. Not everything cutting down EVERTHING McCain is
Running on.

Good strategy there. Me thinks doth have a bit of misdirection in sincerity.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:57 AM
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6. That is stupid. He needs to expose the reform image for the fraud it is.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:57 AM
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7. Why not hit Palin for charging victims for rape kits?
sometimes I wonder just what direction the Obama campaign is going. Like it or not, we have a dumbed down electorate...the Pubs treat them as such, emphasizing emotional issues, and it works. Obama's ads must do the same.
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 11:28 AM
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43. Only if it can be made into a direct attack on McNugget
Attacking Palin is the job of his surrogates. His concern must be on the one at the top of the ticket.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:58 AM
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8. I care.
I like that ad - it's one of the best ones.
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:59 AM
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9. To be boastful, we care about this at DU. But here in red hell
Joe Middle Class and Johnny Six Pack still get into the more personal issues. Lobbyists are something they don't seem to care about, or understand. But by golly, Obama's a half breed Muslin and he went to a church with a crazy pastor! (I know, that contradicts things. But that's Joe and Johnny talking.)>
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:32 AM
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18. McCain appeals to the lazy uneducated trailor trash he is. That's not our voting block. Americans
don't like the idea that lobbyists have more to say about policy than the American people.
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salonghorn70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:43 AM
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25. If I Were Running For President
I would want the vote of every single voter no matter what sort of housing they might have.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:01 AM
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10. You may have a point --
I don't think it would mean much to most of the people I know.

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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:03 AM
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11. You need to get your brain checked
and stop your BULLSHIT postings.

We all know who you working for, but take
your concern somewhere else.

:wtf:
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:04 AM
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12. I disagree.
McCain and Palin are running as agents of change who will clean up Washington. In his speech at the RNC McCain said he has fought lobbyists and that he does not work for special interests. If that is the case, why does he have so many lobbyists on the payroll of his campaign?

Palin also bragged about how she has fought lobbyists. Why then is she relying on lobbyists to school her on policy issues?





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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:06 AM
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13. Compared to the shit coming from McCain it's pretty weak.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:08 AM
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14. Thats my point it sounds flimsy compared to the other side
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:34 AM
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19. A lot of 'CONCERN' here? (with no substance)
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:11 AM
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15. I think you're right. People are focused on other things.
They care about the war and the economy and health care.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:14 AM
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16. They don't particularly care in the batttlegrounds, I think you're right
We found that out in the primaries. What worked in the Iowa caucus didn't do squat in PA and OH. They just want to see what you're going to do for them and if they think you can deliver, you're in. Obama has an edge on the middle class tax cut message. Stop talking about what "independent groups" say about your plan and start telling people how the Republicans are fucking them. Cleaning Washington up is at the end of that message, not at the beginning.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:29 AM
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17. Yeah Nobody cares about Big Oil...
Edited on Sun Sep-14-08 10:29 AM by stillcool47
and Corporate Welfare. Leave those Corporations Alone!
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Pavlovs DiOgie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:35 AM
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20. The average person knows
that lobbyist are bad guys, even if those average people aren't exactly sure what they do. Obama knows what he's doing.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:35 AM
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21. I agree, we should get McCain on the economy
half of America doesn't even know what a lobbyist is.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:38 AM
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22. This country is regionalized and the sooner we admit and accept that the better.
Obama has carefully targeted ads for different areas of the country to try to address those "local" and "regional" concerns. Not everyone sees every type of commercial.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:40 AM
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23. You must be kidding right? McLame was so convinced it was his trump card he joined up with Feingold
Seriously, what planet are you living on? Lobbyists are not held in very high regard by the public.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:43 AM
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26. Do the voters we need to target at this point even know what a lobbyist is?
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:44 AM
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27. Any proof of this false claim? I'm sure Americans care about a rigged system.
It's one of the reason Obama and Edwards did well in the primary, their stance on lobbyists.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:48 AM
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33. of course he has no proof.
as posted elsewhere, a Harris poll last winter indicated that 80 percent feel lobbyists have too much power and influence over government.
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:45 AM
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28. you are right,because American has been dumbed-down, and the Republicans
know that, which is why they use short, concise, talking points and drill them home again and again and again.

While Obama paces back and forth, like a college professor, and none of his stumps sounds like any previous one.

He should pick a "mantra" and drill it home like McCain is doing.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:46 AM
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29. People do care about the Lobbyist issue. These are the people
making all the decisions in the current campaign and they will continue to do so if elected. I disagree totally. The Obama campaign has done just fine so far and I have faith they will continue to do so.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:47 AM
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30. if by nobody, you mean 80 percent,, then you're right
Edited on Sun Sep-14-08 10:47 AM by onenote
when polled by Harris in Feb of this year, 80 percent said that political lobbyists have too much power and influence, second only to "big companies" (83%) and tied with politcal action committees.

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progteacher Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:47 AM
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31. yes, definitely....
...are ordinary Americans going to take the time to take on the complex, weighty task of understanding the modern lobbying system? no way...
Stick to the big, simple stuff..

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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:47 AM
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32. Most Americans don't care about lobbyists either.
They care more about the economy.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:49 AM
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34. more Americans than you think can manage to care about more than one thing
Yes, the economy is the number one concern. But that doesn't meant the public doesn't care about lobbyists (or about other issues)
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:50 AM
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35. 2006 proves you wrong...
There were 2 major issues that affected the results of the 2006 election which allowed us to take back the majority in the house and senate. One of course was the Iraq war, the other was the hellstorm of loobyist related corruption scandals that even landed some Republicans in jail.

Tom Delay, Duke Cunningham, Bob Ney... JACK ABRAMOFF? Do those names sound familiar?

Now I agree that McCain needs attacked on many other fronts as well, but his deep rooted, bed laying with lobbyists SHOULD have been attacked ages ago.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 11:26 AM
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42. Actually, it was the Foley scandal
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:50 AM
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36. Ignore this, unintentional duplicate
Edited on Sun Sep-14-08 10:50 AM by phleshdef
The DU Server got the best of me
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abbiehoff Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:50 AM
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37. You may not care, but many, many people do.
It is evidence of the "more of the same" meme that is important to the campaign.

The new ad points out that lobbyists have been drafting legislation. Even the profoundly stupid may be able to see the problem with that.
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 11:10 AM
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38. They would if Obama defined in simple terms how lobbyists impact them
and their pocket books.

He needs to give day-to-day examples, in simple terms that people understand, of how lobbyists cost them. How their health and safety (not from al Qaeda but from corporations) is threatened because of lobbyists. How their fees are higher, their taxes are higher, and their ability to protect themselves from financial ruin is lower. How they bear more responsibility than the rich and get way less for it. And how when crimes are committed, they are punished much harsher than those who have the bucks all because of lobbyists.

Example: "You will spend more time in jail for stealing a coat from Walmart than CEOs will for stealing your entire pension fund. And you will never be let back into Walmart. But the CEO will still be the CEO."

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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 11:19 AM
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39. I think you're wrong, wrong, wrong!
Before an ad is made, there are focus groups that talk about the issues that matter most to them. When a political ad is created, it is focus tested again. They wouldn't continue making these ads about lobbyists if they weren't testing well. That's why in some campaigns you'll see an ad run for a day and then never again--because it didn't test well.

Apparently people care about this issue or they wouldn't continue running ads on the issue.

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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 11:24 AM
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40. I care and I think it's a good way of taking back the change mantle.
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 11:24 AM
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41. Are you out of your mind?
The people who care that McSame voted against the Martin Luther King holiday are already voting for Obama

The ones that do not care are Racists and will vote for McSame no matter what

The lobbyist ads are pointed toward people who are falling for the BS that McSame can bring change, and those voters can still be saved
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 11:34 AM
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44. He should not abandon this tactic, it is attacking McCain on his perceived strength
he cannot let that go.
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